HoC Spring reSprung

[Aquelven]

Hi Springs.
New thread, hopefully, with the following link to our old one....

Early Spring

I can imagine that would be quite stressful, Fooogle.

I am clear and warm, and classic for style. Had a consultation with CMB a few years ago and I am just getting to grips with it now really. I tend to shop much more qisely now and make many more less impulse buys.

I would frequent both threads and see what you feel most comfortable in.

Fooogle. Your ** star colours were the same as mine, blues, turquoises, red,navy & grey, you were a Blue Spring too weren't you?
I suppose it's neutral & on the cusp between warm/cool. I'd been convinced I'd be a winter or more likely a summer with my virtually white hair & cool eyes. Sounds like the lady spent a while deciding, was anything said about you being a spring before?
I wonder if being on the cusp means we can wear cool as well as warm colours? I know I suit pastel blues & pinks much more than any of the orange or yellows in our swatches. It's all a bit perplexing.
Have you bought lots of Spring stuff? Very annoying for you but perhaps you can still wear them, as Beginner says it's not a science.

I think some of the HoC consultants on MN haunt the winter thread font they, or is it Autumn? Wonder if they can shed some light.
Please don't abandon us!! We'll miss you!
Could this one have got it wrong? What made you decide on a rerate?

Foogle - feel for you - do you feel more winter??

Fooogle - can you try the fushia/coral test? That's why I'm sure I'm a spring (or 'warm').... Look good in winter navy, winter greys etc. as well as the Spring ones. (Well, I think so .). I'd go back to your consultant if you're not convinced.... Where are you based?

Try burgundy too. I find that's one colour that makes me look like Dracula's anaemic sister.

Thanks for all your ideas folks! Tried erring on the winter side today with more navy and a cool scarf... Charcoal eye makeup and cool blusher... Feel a bit lost now!

I decided on a rerate as hopefully mentioned they existed and I kind of just wanted some more advice on combining colours and a good lipstick!!! 45£ seemed not too bad for a bit of me time too..... Totally didn't expect to be different!!!

Agree not a science though I kind of like to feel I'm doing it 'right' and don't trust my own judgement often so think that's why I'd like to be one or other. I'm easily put off if someone says I look 'wrong' in something.

Lady said I could come back as she was fully aware she was rather drastically changed my goal posts.

Yes aque I've thoroughly 'springed' everything!!! Though luckily I'm such a charity shop bargain addict some non spring things have been bought as they were too good to resist!

My lady is in London, really just on the same road so easy to visit. I just feel so programmed to 'like' myself in yellows I feel odd going for the opposite though in my teen years I wasn't adverse to shocking pink so maybe I knew then and lost my way?!!

As for the blurring between spring and winter...I'm not sure. When I looked at the colour drapes they are really v different but (sorry forgot who said) you're right that a few hoc winter colours sneak into CMB palette (charcoal?...a taupe type colour). But urgh, I don't know what i m saying now...! It just seems so diametrically opposed!

I mostly feel like I ll miss the brightness but I know I should be able to do bright in winter.

Sorry to ramble on. Hope I answered a few of your lovely questions!

Goodness sorry. Didn't realise QUITE how long that was!

Not rambling at all! I was almost as shocked as you must feel.
Did you try any of the winter HoC lipsticks? Did they feel more tight than spring ones? If she lives so near I'd go back & keep asking to try the drapes & makeup. I know £45 is good for a bit of me time but you want to be sure it's worth it.

Right lipstick, not tight lipstick

I wear charcoal Foogle. have never been drawn to taupe though.

Ah, Fooogle, I want to lend you that CMB book now....

There definitely is a range of spring colours that is more wintery than others - bright spring - and winter colours that verge on the spring. I think the line between them is a bit arbitrary. If you go by the 12blueprints system, I think most people are 'neutral' and not warm or cool, so that would reinforce that view. (Ha - why don't you confuse yourself even more by going to see a 12blueprints person....?) (Not really...)

For what it's worth, the HOC person who got me wrong was in north london. The HOC person who got me right was in south london. That's all I'm saying!! (And there is an excellent CMB person in south london too.) PM me if you want details!

Not sure I could bear to go again to another beginner. Imagine if I came out a summer or autumn next!!!!
I've got a v old copy of a CMB book but baffle myself looking between the colour swatch pages...

aque, yes, I'll go and badger her again. Not sure if I should leave it a while or go super soon... I did try winter lippies. Was so shocked I just felt odd with them on but wearing pinky ones today I don't feel daft but it's weird how shifting your make up to not clash with clothes ie. going cool with winter clothes feels like maybe it'd just make everything coordinate? Or would I look wrong if it was 'wrong'. Eeeek!
Eusta I always was suspicious of grey in my CMB palette as seemed an anomaly to me as it seems cool. Taupe, though not so great a colour, at least I could see warm...

All the greys in the swatch book are my ** star colours & what I feel most comfortable in, along with the navy. The silvery grey doesn't look warm to me, does it to you? I love charcoal & wear it a lot ( well I wear black too as all my good coats are black )
I notice it more with lipstick than clothes to be honest. I can't do plum / purple lipstick, can you do you think?

I've ordered this in the blue option
www.uniqlo.com/uk/store/goods/078153

Hi Aque, thanks for thinking of me
That jumper looks lovely. Wonder if I may dabble in a winter one seeing as they are such good prices...

I dunno with lipsticks either!!! I can wear a blue pink I think and a shocking pink but I have truly lost my way as to what looks right and wrong right now... It may explain why I couldn't find a coral that looked good but...?! Maybe I'll be sending a bucket full of cashmere your way guys or perhaps you are secretly a winter Aque (sorry, not meaning to spread the scare...). I wonder if Blue Springs are verging on the Winter...?

Oh Foogle, you must be very - what I think this highlights perhaps is that there is definitely subjectivity (if that's a word) in this whole colours thing and that we shouldn't get so tied down in absolutes.

I remember when I first went I had expected to be autumn but ended up a Golden Spring which does share some colours with autumn but definitely not the mossy greens/mustards etc.

You're spot on with the subjectivity thing Birdy. I cannot see how I look good in oranges and yellows. I've been subtly asking people I know if they think I suit it and they all say, mmmm, I don't know... so it's not like they're wow colours on me despite what the consultant thinks!

In the meantime, here is my first spring purchase: scarf. So much for not spending much on clothes this year!

I've just gone and compared the Kettlewell palettes for winter and spring and was quite surprised at how similar they are for blue springs as once you take out all the yellow/tan from the spring palette you're left with blue/purple/teal/greens which are on both !

Kettlewell Winter
Kettlewell Spring

When I went to have my colours done I was convinced I was going to be a winter although I can see that had I been diagnosed a winter I probably would have scored higher ** on the brighter winters.

I've got my style day booked now for beginning of March so I'm going to chat to her about the colours if we have time but I think I'm happy to stick with my spring diagnosis but mostly wear the colours I feel happiest in which happen to be the ones that cross over with Winter.

This makes me feel much better about the utterly gorgeous black coat I just bought

Totally agree with you MrsPeacock - take out the warm colours from the Spring palette and it starts to look a lot like Winter blues/reds/greys.
If you scroll down to look at the flow charts here you can see Spring flows into Winter with Clear being the cross over point.
I'm a clear (and blue) Spring and can so wear the brighter blues, getting away with Winter colours at that side of the spectrum much more than I can the yellows, tans and browns of the warmer Spring colours. I can also wear black (on a good non tired day).
Blimey its fascinating isnt it? Love all this analysis - could spend all day looking onto it.

Mumelie, that website is great and I can clearly see where I cross over into clear winter.

Wow, MrsP, you're so right about those Kettlewell colours. If you knock off the more burgundy colours on the top two lines of the Winter chart you're left with all the good colours for a Blue Spring. I certainly suit the pale blues & pinks far more than any oranges or yellows. In fact pale blue is the colour Dh likes me best in!
And my gorgeous sheepskin coat is black outside with grey wool on the inside...no way I'm chucking or selling that!!

Love, love the colours of that scarf, YouHave.

We really could do with one of the HoC consultants off the other threads coming over here, Hopefully or Travelling. Wonder if we can press gang one to come & give their opinion?

I've just invaded the Autumn thread to see if I can track down one of the consultants & ask if they'd come & help.

Ok - hoc says I'm an autumn. Am a CMB clear warm and light and my colours work.
But CMB lipstick ( I succumbed) was more terracotta and really suits!
Aaaaaahhhhh!

Argh - not another one Joycey!!! Clear and warm CMB is a spring (kettlewell agree...) but on the winter cusp... The autumn thing has totally thrown me. I expect if a HOC consultant comes on they'll say they are different systems and there's no direct translation (which is true) but clear and warm should DEFINITELY be spring - autumn is not clear. And you're fairly young () so shouldn't have 'softened' or 'lightened' much yet ! I dunno. Am liking the sound of the 12 blueprints system now. I can't spend money on that as well, now can I?

But Joycey, I felt happier in an 'autumn' lippy that wasn't as bright as spring ones. It doesn't make my eyes sparkle as much as really beight true 'spring' ones but i think it works quite well and doesn't alarm me as much as the bright ones. Guess that's just my 'natural' personality though. Maybe .

Crikey.

Am losing the faith.....

Think you are right Beginner! It doesn't frighten me as much and so is a good first step!
Love my colours by CMB, and will stand by them so will stick with Spring and this thread!
(Move over Braveheart!)