Fillers, botox etc have you had any, if not why not?

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I had my lips done recently, it was cheap and effective and v painful, but no pain no gain right .
Genuine question, why don't more people have it done? Are you all happy with the way you look? I can't imagine not having something that i thought needed changing.

ragwort yes, i do ! like you say, I guess it depends what circles of friends you have....

I think people who have plastic surgery get a raw deal. It's like because they have surgery, other people think that gives them the right to criticize them and feel superior.

I really don't think that's fair.

I suspect this is all a wind-up.

Otherwise it's very sad: a 25-year-old who is convinced that she has to be physically perfect to be happy.

Christ I wish I hadn't put long philtrum through google images.

amelia To be fair, we are all stating our personal viewpoints on this without being rude or disrespectful to posters who think differently. In fact, the only judgemental post on this thread is where you said someone's lifestyle was grim because she lives a different life to you.
I don't judge anyone for having any cosmetic procedures. Similarly, I don't expect to be judged for being quite happy with the ageing process.

Amelia, you do come across as a bit defensive.

I don't think it's wrong for women to have surgical procedures on their face. It does worry me that there has been a ratcheting up of expectation about how groomed and perfect we are all supposed to look. If you look at films and magazines from the seventies women looked so much more, well, real.

All kinds of things are taken as normal now that would have been considered extremely weird and self-indulgent then -- manicures, pedicures, waxing, pubic waxing, the list goes on and on.

I sometimes do wonder where it will all end, and whether a woman with an unadorned, unaltered face and body will end up looking like a freak. We're not there yet. But it sometimes seems like 'a little bit of botox or fillers' is the thin end of the wedge.

After Googling, I now have Philtrum Envy. I didn't even know what one was before this thread...

I can appreciate others viewpoints and it comes down to what you think looks good and by extension, improves your confidence. I don't think you necessarily see in a mirror what others see when it comes to your face though. You rarely observe yourself chatting and smiling. I have seen plenty of ordinary, by which I mean non-celeb women (in the very chi chi area I live in) who IMO look odd. They aren't by any stretch old either, and possibly initially the treatments really were impossible to notice, but logically that can't remain the case as you age.

But hey, beauty is in the eye etc, I lift weights and think my arms/shoulders look great with muscle definition...others may think that's unattractive in a woman, I couldn't care less. Each to their own.

Yes, I agree there are "ordinary women" who overdo it too. A case in point, is my DH's eye surgeon is a musician and throws jazz parties for clients in Harley Street. Many of the women I saw there looked "frozen"-it almost put me off getting anything done.....it was soooo obvious and in some cases, weird looking.

However, these are NOT women who get it done 2-3 times a year. No one I know, including myself has that "waxy" look.

I'm sorry if I sound defensive but the reason for that is - there are lots of comments here from people which border on patronising.

I think it is absoultely acceptable to say "Not for me" for whatever reason. But I don't think it's right to focus purely on the negative outcomes for some celebs who have gone much too far.

I am an intelligent woman and will know full well when to stop.

I also think that there is possibly a tiny bit of envy here from people who don't want to go down the route- perhaps because they can't afford it or are too nervous. Both are absolutely fine- but I'd be happier if people made it clear that they weren't interested for those reasons, not because the regard it as something "bad" in itself, and try to come over as all superior in some way because they prefer not to bother with make up, clothes, ahir colouring etc.

amelia I could definitely afford it thanks, I'd just consider it a waste of money to inject poison into my face in order to attempt to escape from inevitable ageing process. I've seen plenty of frozen people and IMO it looks like they are wearing their insecurities on their face. Also I do think 20 year old lips on an 84 year old would look odd

Not saying you shouldn't do it though, each to their own, as I said before

Amelia I could afford it and I do bother with make up, nice clothes and hair dye to cover the grey.

The only reason I won't do it is because of the strange faces I have seen irl of people who have had work done.

Until I see evidence of people having it done, who look "normal" I won't touch it.

Amelia -soome people do prefer not to bother with hair /clothes/make up! I dont know why you think that means they are " coming over all superior"

You are really rather rude about other peoples reasons for not getting these procedures. They are entitled to their own opinions without being called patronsing, envious, too poor or superior.

Its fine to look at celebrities and decide you dont like the results. Its fine to be concrend about safety or object on ideological grounds.Its ok to belive that it is somethimg bad. Or just not see the point. Or be happy the way you are.

Posters in general are aswering the op s question. They arenot personally attacking you or the choices you have made about your own body

:o that amelia says that some of us are envious of her, just because we don't want cosmetic procedures done, whilst accusing others of being patronizing! Pot, kettle, black?
We're not focusing purely on negative outcomes of celebs' surgery. A lot of people have given other reasons that they don't want anything done, which are being overlooked.

Just had a quick peep at Goldie Hawn on Graham Norton on i-player. (I always forget how much I love his show and then I watch it again!).

I actually thought she looked pretty fab. What was odd though, was the difference between her face and her chest/hands.

amelia, should you be called Dorian? .

I have Botox every 4 months on my '11s' frown lines and a couple of the deepest creases on my forehead. It makes me look refreshed rather than younger, and I have absolutely no problem with it. I am getting my crows feet done next month

The thing is, there is this misconception that botox equals scarily smooth foreheads, vulcan brows and women basically mutilating themselves in the oursuit of eernal youth. My experience has been completelt different. My doctor has a very light touch and I still have the wrinkles, they just arent so pronounced. She never goes anywhere near the outer corner of my eyebrows, so no vulcan brow, and she is very strict about age-appropriate treatments. I was looking into filler for my nose to mouth lines and she told me that would be ridiculous at my age and refused to entertain it.

Its not all about Brides of Wildenstein freakos, y'know....and pssssssst I am a feminist (and not a fluffy fun porn defender fem )

Couldn't have put it better myself, BluebirdsFly. Although I did try, various pages upthread :)

I always thought I never would and was very much of the grow age gracefully brigade until I started to! I had botox 3 times last year and it was brilliant I stopped wearing make up almost completely and just looked very fresh. I haven't had any for months now and the lines are back but less deep. I do want it again so will have it next month so that I can be make up free in the summer.A good doctor will make you look less tired and more awake but you can still move everything and no one I knew could tell even my very nosy and critical mother. It is a pain when it wears off though I am 47 this year

You're right about make up NoddyHolder I only ever wear it on high days and holidays now.

im desperate to get fillers in my nose to mouth lines. How much does it cost, and how long does it last?

I maybe wrong in saying this but I saw a programme on either channel 4/More 4 a short while ago about this kind of procedure and it said that there are a number of different solutions that can be injected into the face in this country compared to only 5 in the US. It's for that reason alone I wouldn't get it done but if others want to I wouldn't judge.

I have never been a great beauty, instead I rather look forward to "growing into" my looks as a distinguished old lady.

But seriously, if you look around you could be forgiven for thinking that women's hair goes grey around 65 and men's hair goes grey in their 30s and 40s. To misquote Caitlin Moran, "are the men doing it?"

I run the risk of looking haggard and older than all my friends in 10 years' time, but for various reasons I am not going to do any botox or fillers. I can't afford it anyway but if I did have spare cash I'd spend it on nice clothes, nice food, holidays, renovating the house.... .

Not a wind up and yeah maybe it is a little sad, probably sad that i assumed every one felt the same. I don't understand why people think it odd that i am so young and want to change my looks, surly i am the target age for most glossy mags and beauty products bar my anti wrinkle cream.

have you discussed this with your friends, I am 11 years older than you and at 25, considering surgery / botox etc just wouldn't have been on my radar

i suppose you could ask yourself why you are so deeply dissatisfied with how you look and why you think everyone else would be leaping at the chance to change their looks