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Dp wants dss to live with us, and i don't !

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MrsParker · 12/11/2008 00:02

I've been with dp for nearly 2 years. Have one ds together 7 months. I have a dd 4 who lives with us. And he has dss 6 who we have every friday night through to sunday. Weekends are very stressful, kids fight all the time, and i look forward to sunday when he goes home.

There have been some problems today with dp's ex and dss. She doesn't want him living there, either he goes into foster care or comes to live with us. He has previously been sent to live with an auntie for 6months coz she couldn't cope.
Dss wants to live with us, does not want to go home.

Seems she doesn't bother with dss, never helps with homework, doesn't cook for him, swears at him. Apparently fridge is full of alcohol, not food.

Problem is, i don't think i could cope with dss full time. I would be main care giver as partner works. The kids argue and fight constantly. Me & dp often take sides. My child against his child. Then we have the one in the middle of it.

Anyway, dp obviously wants him here and i don't. Think this will signify the end of our relationship, as i understand he has to put his dss first.

Anyone got any advice Please.

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VinegarTits · 12/11/2008 12:21

You may hate her, but its not the childs fault, maybe it would be better to turn your hate into positive thinking and give it ago, you dont know what effect it will have on your dc until you try, i'm sorry but i cant bring myself to have sympathy for you, if you are not even prepared to give this little boy a chance.

MrsParker · 12/11/2008 12:29

ok. so if i talk to dp tonight, if he wants to talk, not very good at this, thats one of the reasons we were at relate.
We could discuss dss living with us. I'd want him to agree that we contact social services to get their support and access to any services they can provide.
See what he says?

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NCbirdy · 12/11/2008 12:34

And (IMO) that he will support you by helping at all times he is in the house (and not sloping off!)

MadameCastafiore · 12/11/2008 12:41

He is a child and your attitude stinks, you got the father the son is also your responsibility without question.

Your behaviour is probably what is causing the poor little mite to act like he does, he will know that you don't want him - imagine what that makes him feel like - lashing out probably - which is what he is doing.

As a mother do you not think that love, care, attention and a proper homel;ife will change him - it wil you know - he just needs to be loved.

If I were your DH I would move out into rented accomodation to look after my son - he would come first - he needs some love and a settled home life not some evil stepmother making him feel like he isn't wanted.

DD is DHs stepdaughter and he knows I would walk with both DS and DD if he even acted in the slightest way differently with them - he wanted me DD came as part of the package and if he didn't like that well he wasn't the man I thought he was - you are not a good advert for step parenting are you or motherhood for that matter.

fourkidsmum · 12/11/2008 12:42

that sounds like a positive approach (including ncbirdy's suggestion).

can you try to agree some 'ground rules' first maybe? like that you will both be entirely honest with each other because you love and trust each other, and in return you will both listen to each other and do your best not to feel attacked or defensive, but to understand each others' point of view.

you are trying to find your way towards a common goal, but you are both coming from slightly different places. can you remind yourselves that there is no 'him' and 'her' (that is you and dp) taking sides or fighting against each other, just a couple up against some potentially difficult times who need to work together to get through them?

fourkidsmum · 12/11/2008 12:52

Be aware though that if the upshot of your discussions is that you decide you can't accept dp's ds as your dss, and love and care for him equally with your other dcs, dp may call an end to your relationship himself. as would you if the boot were on the other foot. as would any decent parent.

i don't envy either of you

elkiedee · 12/11/2008 13:10

Haven't read all of thread, but would suggest that if he does come to live with you your dh needs to be ready to make changes to his lifestyle, particularly after school and at weekends. Is dss to continue having contact with his mum if he comes to live with you? Could your dh and dss do a regular activity together on a weekend afternoon?

Presumably if there's a possibility of foster care there's some Social Services involvement. I think you need to raise some of your concerns and ask what support they'd be able to offer, so that whatever care arrangement is made for dss doesn't break down.

SilverSparkle · 12/11/2008 14:03

Blimey Madamecastafiore, that was a bit harsh. Just because she has been honest and admitted that she can't take this boy on permanently it does not make her evil or a bad mother.
Its best she is honest as she has been instead of taking the boy in cos she felt she had to and then still getting to this point further down the line when it would affect all the kids more.
The fact that you say you would be able to do it is great, good for you but that doesn't mean that someone else would be able to do it. Were all different.

catsmother · 12/11/2008 14:11

FWIW I think too you have been very brave in admitting your fears.

I'm sure you have sympathy for DSS but it could quite possibly damage him even more if he came to live with you and you found, that despite your best efforts, for I am sure you are not a monster, you literally couldn't give him the emotional commitment he needs. It's one thing knowing in theory what needs to be done, but another actually doing it when it comes to love ..... you can't switch it on or off, and I think it's very hard to pretend you care for someone in that way when you don't - instinct will nearly always mean you'll be sussed.

I do wonder however if you'd feel differently about this if your DP was more supportive. From what you've written it sounds as if your role as chief child carer is taken for granted already, and it's disgusting that he slopes off when his son comes to stay as surely, the main point of him coming at all should be for him to spend time with his father. Similarly, it's one thing to have a full and frank discussion about the inevitable changes which'd happen were DSS come to stay permanently, but quite another for him to have already worked out your role in how the practicalities are going to be managed. It strikes me that his life will change very little except he'd obviously see his son more after work etc., yet on a purely logistical level you are being expected to take on a lot more work and responsibility. This would be scary even if DSS didn't already appear to be disturbed.

You know ..... so often on these threads, a step mother dares to complain about something step related and brings forth a torrent of criticism upon her. Yet time and again, as the story unfolds, it becomes clear that the dad in the scenario isn't pulling his weight in regard to his own children and/or taking his wife's hard work for granted. Additionally, while the OP is being berated for voicing her doubts the fact that DSS is apparently favoured by DP when they are all together hasn't received any response. Look ....... we are all mums, of course we are going to feel protective of our children first and foremost and if we are only capable of giving so much (emotionally), what we give is going to be given to our kids - no matter how much compassion we feel for another child. We are all different and some people simply lack the emotional reserves to take any more responsibility on, or, are unable to give what's required because the person in question is, quite literally, too much of a challenge - or, dare I say it, actually unlikeable - and yes, even children can be unlikeable in some circumstances - they are, after all, individuals, just as adults are, and no-one expects you to like every adult you meet.

Now, despite having said all that ..... I do agree that when you get together with someone who has kids, there's always going to be the possibility of those kids living with you one day but be fair, the shock of that becoming a reality is rather different to knowing, without any doubt, from day one, that your partner's kids will be sharing your home. The OP's partner knew, for definite, that if he wanted to be with her, that her daughter came too - and he accepted that. The OP didn't know, for definite that one day the boot might be on the other foot so to speak and I suspect she probably gambled on the fact that it was unlikely to happen .... which, as it turns out, was the wrong thing to do, but it's a pretty human reaction to such a situation. No matter what she "should" have thought or "should" have been prepared for, I don't think she's a monster and I appreciate she's had a big shock.

Another thing to bear in mind is that things change. 2 years ago she may not have realised (because there hadn't yet been enough evidence of it) that her DP wasn't a particularly hands on dad, and that he would nearly always take his son's side in arguments, regardless of the ins and outs. 2 years ago, the idea of DSS living with them may have been something she believed she could potentially cope with, but now, having seen her partner more or less expects her to do it ALL, the idea seems much more frightening.

The ONLY way something like this is going to work is if both adults always present a united front and sort out any disgareements about discipline away from the children. There has to be a clear set of house rules and boundaries so everyone knows where they stand and absolutely no favouritism. Both adults also have to be totally committed to pulling their weight .... no way do I agree that it's MP's responsibility to raise someone else's child, even if he is her partner's child. That is her partner's duty, albeit with her support. Additionally, it's also likely that DSS may need extra support of his own re: his behaviour - or at least, some sort of assessment in the 1st instance by a trained professional to evaluate how serious (or not) his problems are. Again, damn right MP should be concerned about the possible/potential impact on her daughter - what sort of mother would she be if she ignored a potential threat to her child's well being ? The issue for her DD is the impact itself, not who perpetrates it ... it doesn't "matter" if it's DSS or the kid from down the street, it's the end result which is of concern.

Everyone who's demanding she "should" do this, she "should" be the adult etc etc etc, consider this: despite having serious misgivings and doubting her ability to come, she nonetheless agrees to having DSS and some time after he's move in, her fears are realised because she can NOT cope. What sort of effect is that going to have on ALL the children in the family ? ..... because the unhappy/hostile/argumentative/stressful atmosphere is bound to be picked up upon. How would she then feel - say, in 2 or 3 years time, if she had subjected her children to a situation she had instinctively feared would be an unhappy one ?

By being brave enough to discuss these issues now, MP is maybe avoiding future heartache not just for herself, but also for her partner and all the kids (though I admit there would be shortterm heartache if they split). I think it would be wrong for her to go into this if she wasn't 100% committed and that, is what I get the impression, she is trying to get her head round. At no point have I formed the impression that she, MP, is suggesting DSS goes into care while she remains in a happy family that includes his dad but excludes him. It was DSS's irresponsible mother who was charming enough to suggest that he went into care !

MP - despite what I've rambled on about, and I hope it makes sense, I do feel, in an ideal world that you'd all be together as one big happy family and you & your DP would be able to work together to turn DSS round. But that's in an ideal world and I fully appreciate that we all have different limits regarding what we can cope with. I think you're in an incredibly difficult situation because you are facing one of the most difficult dilemmas possible: take DSS in, despite fearing you're not up to the job (and having understandable doubts about whether your DP is too !!) and worrying about possible adverse effects on your children, or, split up, leaving DP & DSS together, but at the same time, disrupting your daughter and taking DS away from his dad.

All I can say is that you have to be true to yourself regardless of other people's ideas of what you "should" be doing. They aren't in your shoes. I really hope it doesn't come to you & DP splitting up, but I tend to think the key to all this is how your DP is going to commit to supporting the huge change in your family dynamics, and whether you can trust him to step up to the mark. If he can't do that I imagine you would very quickly be filled with resentment, which won't do anyone any good - including DSS.

I really feel for you because I guess time isn't on your side and this decision is going to have to be made very soon. Again, in an ideal world, there'd be plenty of time for detailed discussion and perhaps couples counselling too so DP understands it's unfair for him to leave you doing all the child care, as well as you (both) coming to a fair and workable way of disciplining all the children, no matter who they "belong" to.

MrsParker · 12/11/2008 14:26

catsmother I really really appreciate your post. Dp is coming round tonight after kids in bed to talk. But your right in so many ways, i don't want to split with dp but don't want to take on a responsibility that may lead to prolonging the inevitable end of our relationship because i can't cope. Would mess dss up even more. Thank you so much x

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fourkidsmum · 12/11/2008 14:31

catsmother, if i bear my soul on here, please god let it be you who replies!! :D

SilverSparkle · 12/11/2008 14:37

Catsmother, what a lovely, thought out, non-judgemental post.

mackerel · 12/11/2008 14:41

Have you thought of trying family therapy. there are clearly so many different issues here - for the individuals but also the dynamics of you how you all interact together. It would give you all the opportunity to sit together and think this through with time for just you and partner andposs. if appropriate time for dss alone too. Your GP could refer you or you could pay to go privately to be seen more quickly if you can afford it. My friend went through stg sim. and it really helped them all.

LooptheLoop · 12/11/2008 20:30

Catsmother - that was a brilliant post. I don't know if you are a stepmum but you summed up the situation so well - thanks (from a stepmother).

MrsParker · 13/11/2008 07:44

Hello, dp came round to talk last night. As he'd stayed at his sisters the night before. Apparently the same day dss was supposed to be staying at his nan's, he had an argument with her about taking a cup out and insisted on going home to his mum. So dss went back to his mum's the evening all this started. She wanted him back too.
This doesn't really solve the problem. Dp came home, didn't really talk much, as he was getting annoyed and said to leave it tonight.
Really Dss can not stay with his mum. Asked dp if he is going to call social services. He said he wants to talk to dss at weekend to find out whats been happening and then call social services. Maybe with support, he can stay at home?
So me and my dp still need to have a talk about it, if he will.

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KatieScarlett1 · 13/11/2008 08:29

This is a awful situation to be in! Poor you! ON the issue i agree with every thing catsmother says. I think all your reluctance to have your dss live with you stems from fear rather than a lack of love on your part. It is very difficult to discuss someone elses child's problems with them even if it is a partner. I am unable to discus my DSD behaviour with my DH as he brindles at the least sign of critisim. Maybe if you explained calmly to your DP (I know how difficult it is not to become emotional or angry in these situations esp if the other party seems intent on shrugging off any attempts at conversation) But tell him you are just afraid of letting your or his child down. Make sure you tell him how much you love him but that you don't know if you'd be able to cope with ALL the children without a lotmore support than you get now. Hope you can work this out! xx

ElenorRigby · 13/11/2008 20:11

MrsParker,
I met DP over 3 years ago, his DD is now nearly 6. We have a DD 15 months together.
I have always been aware DP's ex has never been "mum of the year". I would accept in a heartbeat DSD coming to live here with us.
IMO DP and DSD are a "package" and have always been whatever circumstance.
In short, I do not approve of your position. Sorry.

yerblurt · 13/11/2008 21:16

I think some form of family therapy would be a good idea for you guys, there's a whole lotta stuff going on.

personally (and I've only really skim read this thread) I think dad should really consider what is going to be the situation on the ground if his son lives with you guys full-time. He may not be aware of how you feel, just assuming you will take on the mantle of child care provider.

Maybe dad should also consider juggling his work committments - he does need to realise that he can't rely on you.

If son came to live with you guys then you would be eligible to apply for the child benefit and child tax credits (hey, you could also apply to the CSA for child maintenance from the ex too!)

on another thought, could you guys get an au pair? I bet that would really really help with childcare, just a thought.

FairyMum · 13/11/2008 21:25

Reading this post makes me so sad for all the children who seem so unwanted in this world He is only 6!

Quattrocento · 13/11/2008 21:35

I'm shocked by this insight into a world where

(i) A mother would neglect then willingly give up her child
(ii) A step mother actively prefers her own children over her stepson
(iii) No-one has paid any attention to getting this poor child's needs sorted out because no-one actually cares

gagarin · 13/11/2008 22:18

Quattro - why are you shocked that someone feels more for (and can't help taking the side of) their own children?

The OP has said quite clearly that her DP favours his son whenever there are arguments between the children - and that she can't help (although she knows she shouldn't) favouring her child/children.

Sounds absolutely normal to me.

What is important is that the parents acknowledge their feelings rahter than trying to pretend all is lovely in their family.

And then they move on and try and DO something about it.

Heated · 13/11/2008 22:22

I've read with incredulity at some of the responses. Thank god for the wise and kind words of Gargarin, Buda, Fourkidsmum & Catsmother.

MP has said she's not sure she has the skills to parent him, her & dh's relationship is under separate strain and she's about to return to work - that's a lot of pressure on her. And she's not kidding herself, it is her the majority of parenting would fall to, not to her dh. She already does 'parent' dss through the weekend and it is a strain. This does not sound the ideal setup for a very needy & sad little boy. And he deserves better and MP knows this. If he lives with them & the relationship fragments would only add to this poor little boys' problems.

MP also has her own dcs to protect. It's all very well saying supervise them together, but this would be long term, into adolescence and 24-7. Crudely put, she's going to need to check on her dd at night as well as the day. And having put as bluntly as that, I don't think I could easily welcome a child into my home who I feared might harm my other children in that way. If MP had older children it would be different.

Yet, the alternative seems equally heart-breaking yet she knows dh must put his son 1st. If her dh parents him as a single father - well, it might make him step up to the plate - but how very for all concerned.

catsmother · 13/11/2008 22:32

I agree that it's extremely sad to read about the mother's treatment of this little boy but I don't think it's fair to say that MP "actively" prefers her own children over her stepson. Indeed, from what she has written, it would seem that her partner usually favours his son in disputes with MP's daughter.

I think that if they are being absolutely honest most stepparents "prefer" - if that is the right word - their own children over any other, because they have an instinctive love and desire to protect their own child(ren) which is surely only natural ? ..... and usually present from birth. It is ridiculous to suggest that feelings for another child, albeit your partners, can automatically become exactly the same as for your own children. Some people do manage this in time (it's rarely instantaneous), and that's lovely, but feelings aren't something you can switch on and off like a tap. So long as a stepparent makes no distinction in how all the children are treated, and makes the effort to be friendly and caring, I don't consider they are doing anything wrong ...... but you can NOT force someone to feel something they don't. I hold my hands up and admit that I "prefer" my children over any others - this is hardly surprising, there is the fundamental parental bond, and also the fact that my children (their personalities and behaviour) are a product of the way I've brought them up.

I would argue that MP DOES care - and would not have posted - and got quite a blasting for doing so - if she didn't. She cares that this child isn't subjected to further disruption and that is why she's honestly questionning whether or not it's fair to remain in the family unit once SS joins it full time, knowing that it may be difficult for her to give SS all the support he needs.

nappyaddict · 13/11/2008 22:52

I think it's a bit unfair that your dd can live with you both but his ds can't.

kittykat77 · 14/11/2008 12:40

MP,

Can I say that I think some people are being very unfair here.

I totally understand your situation as we were faced with a similar dilema earlier this year. As it is, it never happened, but we were seriously considering the what if's attached to DSS coming to live with us. Like you I find the time that DSS spends with us extremely stressful(DSS also has behaviourial problems),but this has been better of late as I have explained to DP that DSS is his responsibility and he does now pull his weight alot more and doesn't expect me to run round after all the kids. I think this is key, and if your DP isn't prepared to agree to this, then I wouldn't even consider saying yes to DSS moving in.

I think it is very easy to judge and say the DSS should live with the dad no matter what. Yes in an ideal world DSK's would fit in with the 2nd family and we would all live happily ever after... However the actual reality is very different. It seems that step mums are supposed to be everything to everyone, and never complain, or have their own feelings or opinions. I think you have to be realistic about the situation, and consider everyone involved, not just DSS, as you clearly are doing.

You have to do what you feel is right for you. I personally had decided if the time came that DSS would move in and we would see how things went.

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