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Maybe it's time to separate after 25 years

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atacrossroadstoday · 08/09/2024 18:41

Met DH 25 years ago. He'd been separated from his ex-partner for a year (she left him for someone else) and had two DDs age 8 and 6.

We dated quietly and all was fine until his ex found out about us after a year and went wild. I'm talking smashing up property and physical attacks. I should've walked away then but didn't. She had severe mental health issues and life was pretty traumatic. I think I got caught up in saviour syndrome, trying to smooth everything and calm situations and brokering agreements.

We bumbled along and eventually married but DDs never accepted me, partly as the ex said I split the family up and their dad had an affair with me, which wasn't true.

The ex died quite unexpectedly when the girls were at university. It was a hard time and we gave continuous support.

Cut to now and both DDs are getting married next year and DH is invited but not me. They've made it clear they don't want me involved or to be part of any future family set up when they have children.

I feel so stupid and exhausted. I've poured years into trying to make it work, including time and huge financial commitments too. And all for nothing.

I'm now at a crossroads. Do I accept this new situation or call it quits and try and build a new life. DH feels in the middle but is excited at the weddings and potential grandchildren.

I feel such a fool.

Any advice?

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atacrossroadstoday · 08/09/2024 21:43

Thank you to all that have replied. It's what I need to hear. I think I'm also going to get some counselling to help me through this

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senua · 08/09/2024 21:59

Sorry to be morbid but if DH predeceases you, who do you think his beneficiaries will be?

thinkfast · 08/09/2024 22:08

I think your DH should decline to attend if you're not invited- it's hugely disrespectful for him to be invited without you.

MounjaroUser · 08/09/2024 22:08

You've been treated very badly. I would have lost all respect for my husband if he behaved like yours and frankly I wouldn't forgive him for not having a child with me.

You're 60 - in a few years time you'll realise just how young that is! Make the move now and let that band of moaning misfits get on with their own poisonous and toxic family life.

Drivingoverlemons · 08/09/2024 22:11

I feel really sad reading this. I think the fault lies with your DH for not correcting them about your relationship and for not standing up to his ex’s manipulation tactics. Also for not insisting that you are part of his visits to them and weddings. You should be part of the family and he has let them sift you out. I’d be gutted. 60 is the time to do all the things you always wanted to do. You may be better off making a new life for yourself.

PullTheBricksDown · 08/09/2024 22:53

Lemonadeand · 08/09/2024 20:28

I’ll be interested to see how they feel about you once you are a potential option for free childcare.

This! They are being vindictive because the weddings present a good opportunity for it. With more sense they'd realise that when they have children themselves, they'll feel the benefit of a mother figure. It is very hurtful of them to dismiss the role you've played in that respect. They might even regret it later but now they're high on the potential power it gives them.

You have nothing to lose now by going all in. Tell your husband he needs to make a stand. You both go to the weddings or neither of you do. If he wavers, it's you filing for divorce and you'll go for half of everything as that's what you deserve after being a full partner in his home and family life for 25 years. Ask him which of his daughters will let him move in when the house has been sold. You'll be using your half to make a new life without him. Frighten him with the thought of losing you. He's never felt that because you've been generous and played nice. Time to stop that.

Loafbeginsat60 · 09/09/2024 07:52

I think I would do what the poster above says.

It's time to make a stand. Either he stands up for you or he loses you.

You shouldn't feel bad about this - it's what he should have done many many years ago.

senua · 09/09/2024 08:23

Who is paying for the weddings, btw? Please tell me they are self-funded.

Sandwichgen · 09/09/2024 09:04

Let’s look on the bright side …

they can’t rely on you for child care

they can’t rely on you to be your husband’s carer when he is frail

these things might come as a nasty shock, but serve them right

one day, who knows, they might even be step mothers themselves, and the penny will drop.

Theredjellybean · 09/09/2024 09:17

I'm somewhat confused...you say you were there for them all especially after their mother died, so presumably they then lived with you and dh during uni holidays, Christmas etc was spent together as a family?
What happened during that time ? Did they just ignore you in your own home?
I agree your dh should have addressed this issue years ago and made it clear you are his wife, you are part of his family, you come as a pair...but he could have done all that and these two girls could still have hated you.
I'd try to switch it round and think " thank God I'm spared years of passive aggressive or hostile family gatherings or Christmases"
I understand your feelings of being done out of your own family and that big happy blended family you envisaged maybe but you are were you are and I'd focus on what you can have.
If you love dh and want your life with him you need boundaries on what is "your" time and what time he sees dds.
Do you have other family on your side? Nieces or nephews who will be marrying and having children who would enjoy you being an extra " granny" ...make your life about you and not what these silly girls/ women are doing

AutumnFroglets · 09/09/2024 09:22

senua · 09/09/2024 08:23

Who is paying for the weddings, btw? Please tell me they are self-funded.

Good point OP. If he is providing some funds please make sure it's not from a joint account. Although if you are planning to leave it might be advisable sooner rather than later as half his savings could be considered yours in a divorce settlement. Even if you decide to stay/counselling keep an eye on the money.

Foxblue · 09/09/2024 09:23

I'm really confused here - so do his daughters actively say to your face or his that you had an affair and he just ignores them or doesn't deny it? No wonder they think you had an affair???
I mean, I wouldn't ever recommend doing this really but given they are literal adults, I'd be telling your DH - either get them round here/on the phone and explain to them that we didn't have an affair or I'm gone.
If he doesn't do it, I'd be tempted to send them both an email explaining specifically what happened, don't just say 'I understand you think we had an affair - this is not true'
Be specific 'your parents separated xx month xx year, we met/started dating in xx month of xxx year.'
It might give you closure, if nothing else.

ActualChips · 09/09/2024 09:26

That's so sad you've discarded your friends for a man. Can you get back in touch with them?
Statistically the happiest people are single, childfree women.

Goingncforthisone · 09/09/2024 11:52

Foxblue · 09/09/2024 09:23

I'm really confused here - so do his daughters actively say to your face or his that you had an affair and he just ignores them or doesn't deny it? No wonder they think you had an affair???
I mean, I wouldn't ever recommend doing this really but given they are literal adults, I'd be telling your DH - either get them round here/on the phone and explain to them that we didn't have an affair or I'm gone.
If he doesn't do it, I'd be tempted to send them both an email explaining specifically what happened, don't just say 'I understand you think we had an affair - this is not true'
Be specific 'your parents separated xx month xx year, we met/started dating in xx month of xxx year.'
It might give you closure, if nothing else.

I wonder if he did have an affair and no one, including the OP, understands the real story...

TryingToBeLogical · 09/09/2024 12:08

OP, I am not that much younger than you and have been married for a near similar number of years, and my heart is breaking from your post. You’re living with someone who has only created a part-time family with you and this is such a bleak thing. Family only gets more important as you get older. What if your husband predeceases you? Will your “family” on your husband’s side just cut you off from everything? What will you have for yourself, while he’s spending all that inevitable grandpa and father-in-law time with his newly married and parenting kids? You will be more and more sidelined and alone if you don’t do something.

First of all, get yourself to counseling so that you can get your self-esteem back to the level where you can demand reasonable things from the timid, selfish avoider you are married to. If this man has let his daughters continue to think something negative about you that’s not true (such as an affair), it’s an incredible betrayal. I’d think he’d want to correct that misconception even if just for his own image (affairs don’t reflect well on either party, do they?). If he’s unwilling to clear this up, I don’t think he’s a keeper. (And if you leave him, a letter to the daughters clearing things up from you may be something to consider). He’s used you as a human shield, which is not loving but exploitative.

Big life events are good excuses (not that you need one) to make new demands and rewire patterns. You’ve been shut out of so much already, please DO NOT let yourself get shut out of what’s to come. You’re his wife of 25 years, not a girlfriend. Either your’e a permanent part the family of you aren’t. Don’t let a pattern get started. You say he’s “excited” about the weddings and potential grandkids. But you won’t get to share that excitement with him, will you? The time to demand that things change is right now, before the next set of patterns gets established.

Yes, you need to put him on the spot. Because I don’t see things getting better for you unless you do, and you deserve much more. Please have a think about what you want your retirement years to look like. Sitting home alone while your husband goes to visit the grandkids? Christmases, Thanksgivings, Easters, birthdays, whatever. Do you want to be left out? Where will you go, who will you celebrate with, take pictures with, eat with?

He should have addressed this years ago with his daughters. He has a chance now to change things and make a fresh start, with the weddings. But if he is not willing to…you need to choose between two futures, one in which you are tied to a person who provides limited things and leaves you alone and unsupported while he Bea he’s lovingly to people who hurt you…and another, where you have freedom to make new emotional connections.

I wish you the best. Please, please, get a therapist ASAP. It takes time to rewire things and change other people (if they can be changed…they need to go through denial, and anger, and all that sort of stuff before they accept the situation has really changed). Get started now - get yourself someone who cares about YOU and how you are treated, and can help you sort this out.

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 09/09/2024 12:20

This is really sad and my heart does go out to you. The issue here is obviously your husband, he hasn't cared enough to clarify the series of events that led to you two getting together and it's now really coming back to bite you both.

As a child of parents who had partners, I can also see the daughters point of view. Whether it was an affair or not, some people just don't see their parents' partners as family. Their mother presumably died about 10years ago? I can understand why they don't want you included in their marriages and children's lives.

These women don't owe you anything, and don't need to include you in their family. At the end of the day, their father chose you, they did not have no obligation to you. Harsh and hurtful though I know that is.

Your husband however, owes you a lot and I'm not sure he can repay what he owes you over the last 25years.

I'd plan to leave and start building your own life again. He'll be busier now with FIL and GP duties and this will only get worse.

thestepmumspacepodcast · 09/09/2024 17:09

I am so so sorry to hear this. I feel for you 💐

What would your life look like without DH and how do you feel about that?

What does it look like with him and how do you feel about that?

Sending love and strength. I'm so sorry these adult women can't see you for who you really are x

Oblomov24 · 09/09/2024 17:40

Oh my Lord. Why have you put up with this shit? Him never putting you first? Him not telling them about no affair, putting them in their place and insisting they treated you with love and care. What a twat he is.

atacrossroadstoday · 10/09/2024 16:13

So an update. DH is not going to the wedding after I explained and said we should go our separate ways. He suggested couple counselling, which I'm sceptical about as it shouldn't take me saying I'm done to get a response.

Anyway, I'm thinking it over.

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AutumnFroglets · 10/09/2024 16:24

Well that's a cop out isn't it? He still won't deal with the actual issue and would rather run away/ignore and (partly) blame you. Couples counselling over something HE won't deal with? Pffttt.

Keep thinking Flowers

Eviebeans · 10/09/2024 16:36

atacrossroadstoday · 10/09/2024 16:13

So an update. DH is not going to the wedding after I explained and said we should go our separate ways. He suggested couple counselling, which I'm sceptical about as it shouldn't take me saying I'm done to get a response.

Anyway, I'm thinking it over.

This is precisely how he should have been backing you all along
now the task for you is to decide if you can trust this and whether you still want it
how do things stand financially- is the house owned jointly, does he pay his share of everything etc
if you come to the conclusion that he won’t choose you then it’s time to choose yourself

MSLRT · 10/09/2024 16:38

I would walk away. You are never going to be included in their family lives. Next it will be grandchildren that you will never be allowed to see. You are only 60. You could meet someone else whose children are happy for you to be part of their lives. Time to think of yourself for a change.

senua · 10/09/2024 16:44

DH is not going to the wedding
That is quite a big thing. Do you think that he really means it? Has he told DD yet?

JackieQueen · 10/09/2024 16:46

The problem is he will eventually blame you for not going to his daughters weddings ( and so will they probably)

atacrossroadstoday · 10/09/2024 17:01

senua · 10/09/2024 16:44

DH is not going to the wedding
That is quite a big thing. Do you think that he really means it? Has he told DD yet?

He's told them. Definitely.

It's thrown me completely to be honest. I'm not sure what to make of it. I need time to think it through.

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