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Ex and son

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Hatsof · 16/07/2023 08:23

I thought this was the best place for this. I’m not a step parent but maybe this would get the best answers to how to deal with this.

ex and I split when our son was 2. The first year we were apart he had our son every weekend Fri-mon. After that year he met a woman, she had 3 kids already, I knew about her cos of social media. I wasn’t happy about it cos I knew this would mean less time for my son so I told ex that this new relationship better not affect my son. She didn’t meet my son for about 5 months, then my son comes back to me and tells me they all went to the beach together. Ex, gf and my son… I will admit I was fuming. He didn’t discuss it with me first or ask if it was ok. I did message and call him to tell him I was not happy with this but he ignored it. This carries on then after they had been together 8 months ish my son was introduced to her children. Again, I wasn’t consulted about it. I told ex he was selfish for doing this as son is shy and wouldn’t like being around so many other children. Fast forward another 6 months and I find out via social media she’s pregnant and they are moving in together. He did tell me he would now be living with her, but not that she was pregnant! He didn’t have the courtesy of telling me before they announced it which I didn’t like at all. They told my son about the baby also without asking my input.

I did tell ex that if he did move in with the new baby and gf he wouldn’t be allowed to have our son there as it would be damaging for him. But he ignored this and did it anyway and of course I didn’t stop him seeing him but I admit I wanted to.

fast forward again there baby is now 2, and When talking to my son I get the feeling he is really feeling left out and I feel he doesn’t get the attention he did before and it’s not fair. The gf also sometimes looks after my son while ex works, I’ve also tried to stop this as I don’t think it’s right but again I was ignored. He just ignores any of my requests.

so that’s the background but now ex is saying he has a new job which means working weekends sometimes, so wants to have my son every other weekend Fri-mon, and 2 nights in the week on the weeks he won’t have him weekends. He said he can get him to school ect so that’s not the issue, my issue is he’s just being pushed out again! We’ve tried mediation cos I didn’t agree with this, I said needs to be weekends only. And the mediator took my side but he wouldn’t agree to keep things the same. So now as I’ve said no to this he said he will be applying to court. Surely the court won’t side with him on this?

sorry about the ramble but honestly I feel my son should be put first and he’s not and it’s eating me up. Any advice please?

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TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 20/07/2023 09:56

You know Daddy, where you need to tell him he has to spend the whole day with just you, otherwise you're less important than his "precious baby"....oh....he doesn't pretend your brother doesn't exist for you? He obviously loves them more doesn't he, but it's ok, mummy loves you, mummy loves you and never makes you second best, you stick with mummy.

Now, it's a BBQ at my friend's today, did you want to come with mummy, or have to go to daddy with that baby there.

Oh yes, the kid "chooses" mummy. Mummy makes sure of that. The judge is going to absolutely wipe the floor with you OP.

Laurdo · 20/07/2023 09:57

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 09:38

Sometimes things just happen on his days! And I do like to have my weekends free but there are times my family are doing something so I take my son along too, so he misses a day with his dad then but like I said my son isn’t bothered. If i ask him which he would rather do he always chooses what I’m doing with him that says something.

Yeah sometimes things fall on my DSDs mum's time but we only get to take her if it's ok'd by her mum first and vice versa. It's actually written into the parenting plan that if any occasion falls on the others time as much notice as possible should be give and the parent who's time it is gets final say. Sometimes DSDs misses out in things but that's just life when you're separated.

You're coming across as very controlling. You are not the "main" parent or the most important parent who gets to call the shots and decide when his dad gets to see him and what your son gets to do. His dad has the same rights as you do to spend time with his son and plan activities.

I absolutely don't blame him for wanting to go to court. If he gets a court order you wouldn't be able to just stop him going to his dad's because you have arranged something. It sounds like that's required.

killthekoroks · 20/07/2023 10:01

I hope your ex does take you to court, you'll get quite the shock I think.

BudgetBuster · 20/07/2023 10:49

Honestly, the best thing to happen your child will be if the Father takes you to court. Having spent YEARS in and out of court, I can tell you, the judge will wipe the floor clean with you. And rightly so. Most court orders are written in such a way that if an event interferes with the other parents time, then it has to be agreed upon and Makeup time given. Also, it would be in the child's best interest for both parents to be involved in schooling. The fact that the Dad now doesn't work 2 days midweek and you don't work weekends would actually go in his favour because its better for the child. In no way shape or form will step or half siblings go against the Dad - and you'll be crucified if you try to say so! If going to court you need to cone up with ACTUAL reasons not just YOUR FEELINGS.

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 11:03

So at what age do they take into account what the child wants?

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CattyCattle · 20/07/2023 11:10

And if you go to court and make loads of stuff up about him you might end up with your ds being with you every day and night! No more weekends free at all!

monsteramunch · 20/07/2023 11:10

So you only want him to see your son on weekends? But you make plans for some of those weekends without his prior agreement? Then accuse your ex of not wanting time with his son?

Make it make sense!

I think it's best for everyone that a court takes a look at the situation and decides on a suitable plan of action.

You're not able to make decisions based on your son's long term best interests, you're doing so on what your short term preference is and casting yourself in the role of superior parent with the casting vote. That isn't the reality of the situation.

aSofaNearYou · 20/07/2023 11:31

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 11:03

So at what age do they take into account what the child wants?

Around 12.

Absolutelynotok · 20/07/2023 11:32

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 11:03

So at what age do they take into account what the child wants?

It’s not about what the child wants though is it for you. Mothers like this give women a bad name. What you are actually asking is at what age do they take into account what the child wants because I don’t like what is happening so that is what my child will feel because I have decided so.

I was honestly gobsmacked reading your post.
“I found out about her via social media” (so you have gone looking online and then complained he didn’t tell you first but you did not give him chance to because you are watching his every move online, he is allowed privacy).

”I wasn’t happy about it cos I knew this would mean less time for my son” - No You made that up in your head and decided it to be true, because it’s easier to get angry about your negative feelings than it is to look for positives. Having a step parent and step siblings can often ease the load and mean more time together. She could be cooking dinner ect and allowing him more time with his son but you have decided it must mean less time before they even met. Your child will pick up on your negative attitude and it will harm his relationship with his father and step family. It’s dangerous.

“so I told ex that this new relationship better not affect my son” - you did not need to do that at all, you clearly see him having a new partner as a threat and seek to limit his time with his child because of this. That is so cruel.

She didn’t meet my son for about 5 months (sounds respectful)
then my son comes back to me and tells me they all went to the beach together (child appropriate and fun, but god forbid you would look for ways this is positive for your child 😬).

I will admit I was fuming. (That your child had been taken to the beach with his dads partner. Have a day off seriously.)

He didn’t discuss it with me first or ask if it was ok. (Firstly, he doesn’t need to, it’s not your business and he can do what he likes with his life. Secondly, I absolutely don’t blame him for not telling you based on your thoughts feelings and reactions to what you have said so far. It sounds like all you would have done is oppose it and focus on the negatives and try to control the situation which is unfair to them. He has not told you to keep the peace so it can be an enjoyable experience for his son and his partner).

I did message and call him to tell him I was not happy with this (why? To achieve what other than trying to control his relationship with his son and his partner? You might not have been kartwheeling and it might be hard but suck it up sister because other peoples happiness is not yours to destroy. There was no need).

but he ignored it. (I’m not surprised).

This carries on then after they had been together 8 months ish my son was introduced to her children. (Again a respectable time frame and child appropriate).

Again, I wasn’t consulted about it. (No need for you to have been, this is their life).

I told ex he was selfish for doing this as son is shy and wouldn’t like being around so many other children (how do you know what he likes and doesn’t like? I assume you will be homeschooling him if you don’t want him ever around more than 3 children and think he will be unable to adapt to that amount of children.

This will go one of two ways
You will either have a hard look at yourself and the work you need to do to allow you to sort your own feelings out without projecting them onto your child and your ex, and to allow you to become a better mother and coparent in that sense. If that is what you are interested in doing then I suggest coparenting podcasts. Moms of tampa is brilliant but there are loads of others.
Or you will take issue with everything he does completely ignoring that he is a brilliant dad wanting a fair amount of time with his child and wanting to treat his child respectfully and lovingly, eventually doing all you can to destroy the loving relationship they have and limit the time based on jealousy and your own feelings towards them as a couple. Your child will end up hating their dad but in the long run eventually you for destroying their happiness.

you may not have wanted a blended family for your precious baby but you got one. It’s time to grow up now.

Yeahno · 20/07/2023 11:37

I'll bet this man wakes up everyday and thanks his God that he got rid of you. Everything is all about you and must be how you want it. What a life.

MinnieTruck · 20/07/2023 11:42

This is just ridiculous. I don’t even understand what I’m reading right now

AnxiousShep · 20/07/2023 11:43

@Hatsof is any of this actually getting through to you?

Laurdo · 20/07/2023 11:58

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 11:03

So at what age do they take into account what the child wants?

Say you have a parent who lets their kid stay up late playing computer games, eat sweets all day, ice cream for breakfast, let's them skip school if they want. Should the courts take what the kid wants into account? Because I think a huge majority of 7yos are gonna pick the option with the sweets, computer games and no school. Does that mean it's what's best for them? Of course not.

Chunkychips23 · 20/07/2023 12:10

Do you want to know what your life is going to look like if you continue the way you are? Exactly like my DP’s ex wife's!

She was determined to be the superior parent with “mummy loves you the most” and trying to control DP’s existence, whether the kids were with him or not. She’d do exactly what you’d do, send batshit crazy texts demanding to know and be involved in his life choices, trying to dictate what he did with the kids/who they saw when they were with him etc. When dates were arranged she present the kids with another option and be all “well they picked to come with me, not you” then whinge about how she had no time for herself.

Years of parental alienation later, the kids now late teens don’t see their father at all. Mummy’s alienation is complete. Apart from the eldest who has now realised what has happened and low and behold, wants to cut ties with HER.

Like my DP’s ex, you’ll succeed in your controlling ways eventually but will be in a position where you have ZERO time for yourself because your son will always be there! Your son will likely have anxiety like my DP’s youngest do as they’ve been forced into making a choice they never should have had to make and the psychological damage of that is long lasting. They lack in self confidence and are deeply impacted by feeling they had to cut off a loving parent because mummy wanted them too.

It’s not a game or something for you to control. This is your son! Stop using him as a pawn and get a grip

BudgetBuster · 20/07/2023 12:50

Chunkychips23 · 20/07/2023 12:10

Do you want to know what your life is going to look like if you continue the way you are? Exactly like my DP’s ex wife's!

She was determined to be the superior parent with “mummy loves you the most” and trying to control DP’s existence, whether the kids were with him or not. She’d do exactly what you’d do, send batshit crazy texts demanding to know and be involved in his life choices, trying to dictate what he did with the kids/who they saw when they were with him etc. When dates were arranged she present the kids with another option and be all “well they picked to come with me, not you” then whinge about how she had no time for herself.

Years of parental alienation later, the kids now late teens don’t see their father at all. Mummy’s alienation is complete. Apart from the eldest who has now realised what has happened and low and behold, wants to cut ties with HER.

Like my DP’s ex, you’ll succeed in your controlling ways eventually but will be in a position where you have ZERO time for yourself because your son will always be there! Your son will likely have anxiety like my DP’s youngest do as they’ve been forced into making a choice they never should have had to make and the psychological damage of that is long lasting. They lack in self confidence and are deeply impacted by feeling they had to cut off a loving parent because mummy wanted them too.

It’s not a game or something for you to control. This is your son! Stop using him as a pawn and get a grip

@Chunkychips23 Agree. My SS is now 11. His mother used to actively tell him 'Mommy loves you the most, Daddy doesn't' blah blah blah. The older he got the more confused he got why he couldn't stay with Dad more. Years of court and the Mother making the weirdest claims (all his friends are in her village when we live 10 mins apart with school in the middle, she has adult siblings nearby while my DH family live abroad but regularly visit, she thinks because she's his mother he should be with her). He got very clued in about 8 and pretty vocal in the year following. He is now 50/50 as he wore his mother down fighting with her that he wanted to live with us. We promoted 50/50 and encouraged swaps for family occasions etc. At 11 he's now very vocal that he wants to be with us more when he hits secondary school. He even now comes out with comments about his Mother that really embed how her selfish actions, much like the OPs, have affected him.

Similar to the OP, my SS mother's hatred for my DH was more important than the best interests of the shared child.

ChiPawPrint · 20/07/2023 13:08

@Wenfy i have been involved with the family court system for 10 years and I have never seen a judge take issue with siblings sharing a bedroom. That will not even be an issue that's spent time discussing.

Being unhappy about going to his dads (considering there is no justification for the resistance) will likely go against the OP because the court could potentially view her as influencing her child to not want to spend time with his dad - aka parental alienation. The opinions of a 7 year old hold very little weight in court. He might not even be spoken to by Cafcass.

A party to proceedings cannot force the father through court to have more contact. Courts don't make parents see their child, they ensure that parents make the child available to see the other parent. If that other parent chooses not to take up the contact, that is not a breach but if a parent prevented contact then that is a breach of order.

Reugny · 20/07/2023 13:13

Dollyparton3 · 20/07/2023 09:38

Speaking personally as a child who was brutally alienated against one of my parents I suggest you take a step back from this OP and think of your son's future. And I'm not talking 18 when the maintenance runs out and he can make firm decisions for himself.

Think ahead to when he's 40, in my case I was left with one dead parent who I was alienated against and a whole heap of confusion on how I felt towards the other parent who did the alienating.

I now have no contact with the parent who pulled all the strings on this, along with my brother

My parents didn't get on.

However I can see now that they worked hard to ensure their children, whether they were full, half or step siblings, regardless of who were their biological parents got on.

Now they are all dead there are enough of us who get on in different combinations so everyone can be in the same room as one another if required, which it has been.

Reugny · 20/07/2023 13:21

aSofaNearYou · 20/07/2023 11:31

Around 12.

It can be younger but it is completely child dependent.

So while some 10 year olds are listened to and get what they individually want, some 13 year olds are wishes are completely ignored.

A child who is 7/8 will not be listened to.

Oh and if the OP gets the wrong judge they will be cross that she isn't allowing her child to spend time with their half and step-siblings.

scoobysnaxx · 20/07/2023 13:24

@Absolutelynotok spot on.

Frankola · 20/07/2023 14:01

@Hatsof why are you making plans deliberately during your sons contact time with his dad? You shouldn't be doing that.

I really hope this bloke takes you to court to be honest. You aren't listening to a bit of advice here on this thread so the only way you'll learn is when a judge decides the contact schedule for you

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 14:11

Frankola · 20/07/2023 14:01

@Hatsof why are you making plans deliberately during your sons contact time with his dad? You shouldn't be doing that.

I really hope this bloke takes you to court to be honest. You aren't listening to a bit of advice here on this thread so the only way you'll learn is when a judge decides the contact schedule for you

I give my son the choice, either go to his dads or he can do whatever it is I’ve planned and he always chooses what I have planned. And his dad wonders why he would rather choose other things than go to his but it’s cos he gets no attention there

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Laurdo · 20/07/2023 14:15

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 14:11

I give my son the choice, either go to his dads or he can do whatever it is I’ve planned and he always chooses what I have planned. And his dad wonders why he would rather choose other things than go to his but it’s cos he gets no attention there

Quite often kids will say whatever they think their parent wants to hear. You shouldn't be putting your son in that position.

Laurdo · 20/07/2023 14:19

I bet if his dad said to him "do you want to go back to mum's or go to Alton towers for a few days", and your son picked Alton towers, so your ex just messaged and said he wasn't coming back to you as planned because he's picked the other option, you'd flip your lid.

ChiPawPrint · 20/07/2023 14:34

@Hatsof It shouldn't be a choice though. You should be saying "Come on, you'll have a lovely time at your dads, you can do X with him etc". Your son will be picking up on you not wanting him to go and he will choose you to your face as he doesn't want to upset you or get in trouble. If his dad asked him the same; he would probably choose to stay with his dad because he wants to please him.

You are starting down the road of emotional abuse towards your son. Sorry if that's a little harsh than I usually am on here.

Hatsof · 20/07/2023 14:39

Anyway I did agree to the midweek thing this morning, said fine we will give it a go then and he replied saying he’s decided he wants to go court anyway cos he doesn’t trust I’ll keep to it and would rather it set in stone 🙄. I said it won’t be good for our son to go through court but he said that’s what he’s doing. We have already tried mediation cos this is what he wanted and now starting to wish I had just agreed cos I don’t want to go through court

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