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What to expect from a bitter ex who won't let her man move on and is using the kids to do so?

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maya85 · 30/08/2022 17:01

I'll try and keep this to the point, as a lot happened and I need some advice on how to go about this. I've been with my man for 9 months now. He was a single father to a 8 year old girl when I met him. He is the man of my dreams. Unfortunately, he got his ex pregnant by mistake during a drunken one-night stand for the 2nd time (before we met) and she insisted on keeping it. I was OK with his situation because he’s a great guy, treats me so well and I'm 38 and not too bothered about having kids of my own (he is 35). Prior to the one-night-stand he had been broken up with her for over a year. She put him through hell, cheated on him, dragged him through court for access to his daughter, called the police on him for things he didn't do and so on. He's always been far too nice for his own good and decided to forgive her and stay friends with her for the sake of his daughter after a court custody agreement had been reached. This friendship led them to hook up one drunken night. He received a call about 6 weeks later from her informing him that he was going to be a dad again.

So, after 3 months of dating, she found out about me and went into a jealous frenzy. She stopped giving him access to his daughter and it caused a lot of problems, as the girl is very attached to her father. Over a period of almost a month, every time he went to pick her up she would stand in the door way and force her daughter back into the house and lock the door whilst screaming abuse at him in the street for all to hear. She’d tell him how pathetic he was, bring up the past etc etc and create arguments from nothing. She made him choose between having access to his daughter and having me in his life. Needless to say, this made him hate her again and was the cause of him choosing to no longer be friends. She realised later that this wasn't in her favour, as she was pregnant.

It was clear that she had hoped/expected that he would leave me and choose to prioritise her by moving back in with her to offer support with the pregnancy, birth and baby and my presence in his life had clearly ruined her plans, especially as she saw that we were getting serious as her pregnancy flew by. She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. She believed that keeping the 2nd baby would reel him back in with guilt too, like the first time, but it didn’t happen and she’s now ANGRY that she's doing this alone. She put him through a toxic cycle of abuse before he left her when the first baby was a few months old and he had a long, stressful and expensive battle in court for visitation rights as punishment.

Since the court order agreement (when his daughter was 4), his daughter has spent a lot of time with us and she loves being with us as we provide her with a very loving, stable and healthy family environment and her mother hates this when she hears about it. We know this because recently she cries in the car when he picks her up and tells her dad that her mum is horrible to her when she talks positively about us. Her mum forces her to talk about everything she does with us after she's dropped off and tells her that I’m lying when I tell her I love her, that I want to steal her dad from her, not to listen to me etc etc. She’s a very traumatised and sad child who is made to feel guilty by her mother for being happy with us and for being happy that her father has moved on with a woman she loves too. I don’t act like her mother when we have her and I tell her that she has a mum and I’m not trying to take her place and she always replies with “I know but I wish you were my mummy, my real mummy is horrible to me and daddy”.

During the pregnancy he asked her for a DNA test to prove the child was his (she was livid) and informed her that he won’t be doing anything for the baby until it’s proven the child is his. He stopped being Mr. Nice Guy to her when she showed her nasty side again after she found out about me, so he didn’t go with her to scans, the birth or to her house afterwards to support her with the baby. She agreed to do a paternity test about 10 days after the child was born and it turned out the baby is his. Since then she has been playing mind games, sometimes she will let him briefly see the child when he picks up/drops off the other one and at other times she won’t at all. It’s almost as if she’s bipolar, very nice one week and horrible the next. The baby is a month old now, she’s put him on the birth certificate, as he told her he wants to be involved in his child’s life, but she has not demanded any child maintenance (during the pregnancy she kept going on and on about how much he was going to pay her) and after the birth she was silent. She didn’t give him a say in the baby’s first or last name (she chose a different last name to his). She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access and continues to poison her child’s mind against me.

He’s very formal with her in communication, they only talk about the kids as he has placed a boundary with her where she’s unable to talk about anything else with him, which is good and I know that even if she did try or want to have him back he wouldn’t allow that. There is no insecurity or feeling threatened by her, so that’s not the issue. The issue is how to deal with the daughter situation of her being brainwashed by her mum and what is she playing at with the baby? What could we expect from her behaviour in the future? Why do some mums act this way? I would have expected that she milk him for money and physical support with the baby, but it’s the opposite. Why demand him to claim his child and nag for months for money and support only to go silent afterwards? I feel that it’s finally sunk in with her (after the baby was born) that I’m not going anywhere and that me and him are long term, but what’s the worst she could do? I know she was hoping I’d run for the hills and be heartbroken after finding out the baby is his, but I'm fine and have no intention on doing so and I think this has put her in a new dilemma. I just want to know what I need to potentially prepare for.

Thank you so much for reading all this!

OP posts:
Cleopatra67 · 30/08/2022 17:04

He’s had TWO children with this woman- what the hell are you doing?

Soontobe60 · 30/08/2022 17:07

Oh dear - he's really not the man of your dreams. and those poor children!

Cleopatra67 · 30/08/2022 17:08

And reading it again you sound utterly insensitive and unsympathetic. I don’t believe your version of events at all. No one breastfeeds for manipulative reasons - your DP sounds like a total dick.

JumpNWave · 30/08/2022 17:09

I’d take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Two ‘accidental’ pregnancies with this ‘unstable woman’. Poor little victim boy Hmm.

And now he’s rushed into a new relationship and trying to play happy families with you and this poor little girl?

He sounds pretty pathetic, needy and untrustworthy. You’ve barely been together a few months.

My best advice is to swerve this massive mess and choose someone with less drama in their life. He has responsibilities to his children and needs to crack on with that and stop whinging.

SarahWoodruff · 30/08/2022 17:12

Perhaps she doesn't think she should have to hassle him for financial support for his own child? After all, the DNA test he demanded in his "Mr Nice Guy" phase ought to make that definitive.

Poor kids.

KnowtheBand · 30/08/2022 17:13

Oh dear God. I expect she believed all his nonsense too.

AliasGrape · 30/08/2022 17:15

The timings don’t work at all - you’ve been together 9 months and he’d been broken up with her for over a year but he broke up with her when the first one was a baby and now she’s 8?

9 months is a bit soon to be talking about providing his daughter with a stable family environment too - a lot of people won’t introduce their kids until at least 6 months in, let alone move the person in and involve them in contact etc.

Honestly? I’d run a mile. I take talk about ‘crazy exes’ with a huge pinch of salt and this sounds like one huge, toxic and drama filled mess that I just wouldn’t want to be part of, nor would I want my presence to
make things worse for 2 innocent children.
I’d tell him to focus on sorting his contact situation out and giving as much attention as he can to his existing child and the one on the way, because this does not sound like a good time for him to be getting into new relationships.

erikbloodaxe · 30/08/2022 17:16

I'd love to hear the pregnant lady's take on the breakdown of their relationship.

newbiename · 30/08/2022 17:20

You've known him for 9 months , what a mess. You should've only just met his oldest. You don't provide a stable loving home for her.
The mother is breastfeeding because it's her choice.
You are FAR too involved at this stage.

AliasGrape · 30/08/2022 17:20

Sorry, I’ve just realised the baby is already here, must have skimmed the middle bit.

Point still stands - i hugely doubt she’s as crazy and toxic and he’s as blameless as he makes out, but even if that were the case I’d still walk away because I just don’t need the drama.

I promise you his 8 year old is not ‘happy that her dad has moved on with someone that she loves as well’ though - even if his version of events is true she’s probably desperate for at least one of her parents to put HER first for a bit.

newbiename · 30/08/2022 17:20

Also , have you ever heard the phrase 'two sides to every story' ?

newbiename · 30/08/2022 17:21

erikbloodaxe · 30/08/2022 17:16

I'd love to hear the pregnant lady's take on the breakdown of their relationship.

Me too

Hoardasurass · 30/08/2022 17:24

@erikbloodaxe me too.

@maya85 you have not been giving his 8 year old a stable loving home since she was 4 if you've only been with him for 9 months! Also the baby is his child not an it.
You need to walk away he is no prise and you shouldn't be involved with either of his children at this point of your relationship

Justcallmebebes · 30/08/2022 17:24

Those poor, poor kids. The right thing to do is for you to completely back away and leave the father to forge a new normal with his DD. It's way too early for you to be on the scene if this is the result. He doesn't sound like a Prince tho and if the situation continues, he's going to have 2 v damaged kids on his hands

roarfeckingroarr · 30/08/2022 17:25

He sounds like a prince.

So he's not paying towards his child yet and you think she's breastfeeding just to hurt him? Righto

Lilithslove · 30/08/2022 17:27

Well he got her pregnant and immediately discarded her and left her with a baby and I presume started dating you while she was pregnant so I'm not sure why you're surprised she's not playing nice.

Your partner should be paying child support anyway, whether or not she "demands" it. Doesn't it bother you that he doesn't?

Owlsinmybedroom · 30/08/2022 17:28

Well firstly

Unfortunately, he got his ex pregnant by mistake during a drunken one-night stand for the 2nd time (before we met) and she insisted on keeping it. The child is not an it

She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. he wanted to break up but was still willing to have sex with her (without a condom no less) what a gentleman

so he didn’t go with her to scans, the birth or to her house afterwards to support her with the baby No scans or birth I guess I get. But what you are saying her is after his baby was born because he was sulking at the mother he refused to do any parenting

but she has not demanded any child maintenance why the fuck isn't he paying it automatically?

(she chose a different last name to his) well given at this point he wasn't parenting or paying towards the child why the hell should she give the child his last name?

She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access AKA doing the best thing by the child rather than the parent, which is as it should be, the needs of the child should always be prioritised

The issue is how to deal with the daughter situation of her being brainwashed by her mum and what is she playing at with the baby? If the daughter is in such a bad position that her dad is worried about her then why the hell is he not going to court to get his daughter living with him full time?

I just want to know what I need to potentially prepare for. Two children who end up being messed up by three toxic adults none of whom (from this OP) appear to have the children's best interest at heart (although I have a feeling the other side of the story would read very differently)

GlitchStitch · 30/08/2022 17:28

If she was so awful when his daughter was a baby why on earth did he have unprotected sex with her again?

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 30/08/2022 17:29

Don’t worry OP, when he dumps you for some reason, and he will, you’ll be joining the bitter crazy ex club along with the mother of his children.

I will never understand why any woman gets involved with a man whose ex is pregnant.

And well, he knows what a condom is doesn’t he? So if he didn’t want another child then he presumably had the choice to use one.

Andromachehadabadday · 30/08/2022 17:34

My only advice is to take a huge step back.

She was so awful over the first child, so nasty and vindictive that he decided they should be friends and has a night in drinking with her? Which led to sex and pregnancy?

and you believed that?

The rest is just as unbelievable. I am sure she isn’t perfect. But I am sure you are falling for a pile of shit that he is making up.

This is a huge disaster that you don’t need to be a part of.

Bananarama21 · 30/08/2022 17:34

This is a complete utter shitshow, he's certainly not a Prince among men is he.

RJnomore1 · 30/08/2022 17:35

Has this Prince among men never heard of condoms?

no no no no no

just no

OurChristmasMiracle · 30/08/2022 17:35

That poor little girl. Daddy’s met someone new and wants to play happy families and mummy has had a new baby with daddy. She must be so confused and feel very pushed out.

lunar1 · 30/08/2022 17:35

Your poor man, twice tricked into fatherhood with a woman he was having unprotected sex with, eight years apart.

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 30/08/2022 17:35

She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. ooh I missed this part.

So he told her he wanted to break up but kept sleeping with her anyway? With no protection?

And having had unprotected sex with her the once and having had a child as a result, he proceeded to do the same again?

I would bet money that they were never split up. I would be prepared to bet that most of this story is bullshit, that the first pregnancy was planned, and that they were still together for the second pregnancy and he walked out on her when she was pregnant. Probably to start sleeping with you.

I don’t imagine she’s told you herself that his story is true, so you only have his bullshit to go on.

Honestly I have no idea how some people are so gullible.