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What to expect from a bitter ex who won't let her man move on and is using the kids to do so?

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maya85 · 30/08/2022 17:01

I'll try and keep this to the point, as a lot happened and I need some advice on how to go about this. I've been with my man for 9 months now. He was a single father to a 8 year old girl when I met him. He is the man of my dreams. Unfortunately, he got his ex pregnant by mistake during a drunken one-night stand for the 2nd time (before we met) and she insisted on keeping it. I was OK with his situation because he’s a great guy, treats me so well and I'm 38 and not too bothered about having kids of my own (he is 35). Prior to the one-night-stand he had been broken up with her for over a year. She put him through hell, cheated on him, dragged him through court for access to his daughter, called the police on him for things he didn't do and so on. He's always been far too nice for his own good and decided to forgive her and stay friends with her for the sake of his daughter after a court custody agreement had been reached. This friendship led them to hook up one drunken night. He received a call about 6 weeks later from her informing him that he was going to be a dad again.

So, after 3 months of dating, she found out about me and went into a jealous frenzy. She stopped giving him access to his daughter and it caused a lot of problems, as the girl is very attached to her father. Over a period of almost a month, every time he went to pick her up she would stand in the door way and force her daughter back into the house and lock the door whilst screaming abuse at him in the street for all to hear. She’d tell him how pathetic he was, bring up the past etc etc and create arguments from nothing. She made him choose between having access to his daughter and having me in his life. Needless to say, this made him hate her again and was the cause of him choosing to no longer be friends. She realised later that this wasn't in her favour, as she was pregnant.

It was clear that she had hoped/expected that he would leave me and choose to prioritise her by moving back in with her to offer support with the pregnancy, birth and baby and my presence in his life had clearly ruined her plans, especially as she saw that we were getting serious as her pregnancy flew by. She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. She believed that keeping the 2nd baby would reel him back in with guilt too, like the first time, but it didn’t happen and she’s now ANGRY that she's doing this alone. She put him through a toxic cycle of abuse before he left her when the first baby was a few months old and he had a long, stressful and expensive battle in court for visitation rights as punishment.

Since the court order agreement (when his daughter was 4), his daughter has spent a lot of time with us and she loves being with us as we provide her with a very loving, stable and healthy family environment and her mother hates this when she hears about it. We know this because recently she cries in the car when he picks her up and tells her dad that her mum is horrible to her when she talks positively about us. Her mum forces her to talk about everything she does with us after she's dropped off and tells her that I’m lying when I tell her I love her, that I want to steal her dad from her, not to listen to me etc etc. She’s a very traumatised and sad child who is made to feel guilty by her mother for being happy with us and for being happy that her father has moved on with a woman she loves too. I don’t act like her mother when we have her and I tell her that she has a mum and I’m not trying to take her place and she always replies with “I know but I wish you were my mummy, my real mummy is horrible to me and daddy”.

During the pregnancy he asked her for a DNA test to prove the child was his (she was livid) and informed her that he won’t be doing anything for the baby until it’s proven the child is his. He stopped being Mr. Nice Guy to her when she showed her nasty side again after she found out about me, so he didn’t go with her to scans, the birth or to her house afterwards to support her with the baby. She agreed to do a paternity test about 10 days after the child was born and it turned out the baby is his. Since then she has been playing mind games, sometimes she will let him briefly see the child when he picks up/drops off the other one and at other times she won’t at all. It’s almost as if she’s bipolar, very nice one week and horrible the next. The baby is a month old now, she’s put him on the birth certificate, as he told her he wants to be involved in his child’s life, but she has not demanded any child maintenance (during the pregnancy she kept going on and on about how much he was going to pay her) and after the birth she was silent. She didn’t give him a say in the baby’s first or last name (she chose a different last name to his). She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access and continues to poison her child’s mind against me.

He’s very formal with her in communication, they only talk about the kids as he has placed a boundary with her where she’s unable to talk about anything else with him, which is good and I know that even if she did try or want to have him back he wouldn’t allow that. There is no insecurity or feeling threatened by her, so that’s not the issue. The issue is how to deal with the daughter situation of her being brainwashed by her mum and what is she playing at with the baby? What could we expect from her behaviour in the future? Why do some mums act this way? I would have expected that she milk him for money and physical support with the baby, but it’s the opposite. Why demand him to claim his child and nag for months for money and support only to go silent afterwards? I feel that it’s finally sunk in with her (after the baby was born) that I’m not going anywhere and that me and him are long term, but what’s the worst she could do? I know she was hoping I’d run for the hills and be heartbroken after finding out the baby is his, but I'm fine and have no intention on doing so and I think this has put her in a new dilemma. I just want to know what I need to potentially prepare for.

Thank you so much for reading all this!

OP posts:
insanemumof3 · 30/08/2022 18:23

@AnneLovesGilbert oh dear lord you've had me choking on my tea with that response! Got it In one! 😂

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 18:24

I don’t act like her mother when we have her and I tell her that she has a mum and I’m not trying to take her place and she always replies with “I know but I wish you were my mummy, my real mummy is horrible to me and daddy”.

If the child is actually saying this stuff to her dad’s GF who she hardly knows, I’m going to hazard a guess that she’s been subject to serious parental alienation by her father (and his GF) and she’s trying to say what she thinks they want to hear.

I bet this little girl adores her mum but knows full well that daddy wants her to say otherwise because he’s told her how ‘horrible’ mummy is to him.

This is even more reason to run for the hills. Except that you seem to be one of the driving forces in this dramatic shit show at this point, so you aren’t going to.

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 30/08/2022 18:26

Goodness, so many crazy exes trapping these poor, vulnerable, princes among men. The poor lambs.

namechangedembarrassing · 30/08/2022 18:28

“Nagging him for money” you mean “outlining his financial responsibilities as a father of two children…”

PeekAtYou · 30/08/2022 18:29

You are a fool and should run away from his drama.

This man is no prince. You shouldn't have had so much contact with this little girl that you are ready to say that you love her. Really irresponsible.

If the mum is alienating her children then it must be obvious that the little girl says things like "I wish you were my mummy" because alienation (abuse) means that the person has low self esteem and they seek approval from everyone and anyone. Plus your reaction to her saying that she's sad could be encouraging her to say it more because it brings attention that she'd want.

Your partner needs to call CMS and have them
take his money and forward it to her. Just because she hasn't mentioned money, it doesn't mean that he doesn't have to pay.

You have fallen hook, line and sinker for some obvious "lies". Breastfeeding is actually scientifically proven to be best for babies and it is customary for unmarried mothers to give their surname to their baby. If your partner wasn't cooperating with his ex during pregnancy, why would she take him to the naming appointment ? He can't cherry pick the best bits. She didn't trap him. He wasn't forced to have sex and contraception is available for men as well as women.

ThermoSpooklear · 30/08/2022 18:30

Do women really choose to strategically breastfeed to wind people up?? Wow, I wish I'd known it was that easy to continue with breastfeeding; would have saved me a lot of heartache and guilt when mine were newborn!

HMReturnsBag · 30/08/2022 18:32

This reads like a writing exercise on how to create an unreliable narrator. There’s a whole other narrative poking through the gaps.

In case it’s real- this chap has more red flags than the Clock End. You should get out of the whole toxic mess and leave him to it. Poor children.

MzHz · 30/08/2022 18:33

Literally no man on earth is worth all this shit

if he’s unprepared to sort this out your life will be a misery

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:33

ThermoSpooklear · 30/08/2022 18:30

Do women really choose to strategically breastfeed to wind people up?? Wow, I wish I'd known it was that easy to continue with breastfeeding; would have saved me a lot of heartache and guilt when mine were newborn!

Yes it’s a technique called Manipu BreastFeeding, used to manipulate one’s man, hence the ‘man’ in ‘Manipu’.

TreacheryPepper · 30/08/2022 18:35

Well that was an interesting read.

dressupinyou · 30/08/2022 18:35

This guy is awful, honestly. Even the bullshit tale he's fed you makes him look like a total deadbeat dad. What's awful is the truth is probably far worse.

You shouldn't have even met his children at this point let alone be telling a small child that you love her and inserting yourself into her already confusing little world.
You're not to blame for his behaviour @maya85 but you can be judged for staying with him and encouraging this bollocks.

3peassuit · 30/08/2022 18:37

This will not go well for you. Just finish with him.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 18:38

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:33

Yes it’s a technique called Manipu BreastFeeding, used to manipulate one’s man, hence the ‘man’ in ‘Manipu’.

Oh yes. it’s a classic evil ex move. 🤣

Because the best way to manipulate a useless man who was happy to have sex with you (and probably string you along about getting back together) is to trick him into a pregnancy and then breastfeed the baby while not claiming maintenance and getting no help whatsoever from the child’s father. Nothing says ‘I’m pulling all the strings here’ like being tied to a constantly feeding newborn who never sleeps.

It is always amazing that any woman falls for this crap.

Pallisers · 30/08/2022 18:41

those poor children.

You are old enough to know better OP. But some people just love the drama.

Bellyups · 30/08/2022 18:41

You are extremely naive for a 38 year old, op.
Stop believing everything he spoon feeds you.

9 months in? You’re far too involved too.

shakeitoffshakeacocktail · 30/08/2022 18:43

Biggest pile of bull shit I've ever heard. If half of this is true I'd be shocked.

SunnyD44 · 30/08/2022 18:45

What a catch he is.

OP he’s playing you for an absolute fool and you are falling for it.

I wonder how many other women he’s shagging.

You were the OW who he left his pregnant gf for and after a matter of weeks met his daughter and started playing happy families.

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:46

Exactly @SudocremOnEverything

Its taught during the Classic Evil Ex workshops along with:

“Trapping Him With Pregnancy Part One: Lie That You’re On The Pill So His Semen He Will Spill”, and

“Trapping Him With Pregnancy Part Two: Get Him Drunk Then Jump On His Junk”.

Gazelda · 30/08/2022 18:47

Do you live with him OP? Your post indicates that you might. Don't you think that's a bit quick?

You tell the girl you love her. Don't you think that's a bit quick?

He started a relationship with you when the mother of his 2 children was 1 month pregnant. Don't you think that's a bit quick.

You've discussed with him that you're ok not having your own children. Was this your stance before you got with him? Or have you decided to compromise?

Do you think she should FF do that your DP can have more access to the baby?

Do you think a single one of the adults is putting the DC first?

Do you really want this much drama in your life?

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 18:49

If I were a betting woman I would say you’re the OW, he probably spun her some line about getting back together when they slept together, didn’t think she’d get pregnant but she did, and now he’s trying to hang on to you and absolve himself of his responsibilities by playing the ‘my crazy ex’ card.

She’s been smart to give the baby her surname. Why should it have his? He hasn’t even bothered changing a nappy or paying maintenance.

Cut yourself free of this loser. Unless you want him to treat you similarly, of course.

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 18:53

She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up.

He must be very unlucky to have got her pregnant after breaking up with her on two occasions…

She agreed to do a paternity test about 10 days after the child was born and it turned out the baby is his.

well, knock me down with a feather.

I would have expected that she milk him for money and physical support

you mean parenting his two children?

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:55

Am I the only one who wishes this was in AIBU for the vote? M

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:57

That was meant to be a blush emoji not a M. Don’t know what happened there.(As the OP’s partner’s evil ex said to him when she “accidentally” got pregnant)

Lavendersparkles22 · 30/08/2022 19:00

Honestly, I've been the pregnant one in this situation. No doubt his new victim fully believes the bullshit too. I was completely sucked in by him and his tales of woe about his toxic family. He got with his current one before I'd givej birth to our planned second. I just don't understand why some women's standards are set so low. Do not have children with this man and keep your nose out of his current kids' lives.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 19:01

He must be very unlucky to have got her pregnant after breaking up with her on two occasions…

8 years apart too. Imagine accidentally shagging your ex for the best part of a decade.

She’s clearly got advanced evil ex manipulation skills, this one.