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What to expect from a bitter ex who won't let her man move on and is using the kids to do so?

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maya85 · 30/08/2022 17:01

I'll try and keep this to the point, as a lot happened and I need some advice on how to go about this. I've been with my man for 9 months now. He was a single father to a 8 year old girl when I met him. He is the man of my dreams. Unfortunately, he got his ex pregnant by mistake during a drunken one-night stand for the 2nd time (before we met) and she insisted on keeping it. I was OK with his situation because he’s a great guy, treats me so well and I'm 38 and not too bothered about having kids of my own (he is 35). Prior to the one-night-stand he had been broken up with her for over a year. She put him through hell, cheated on him, dragged him through court for access to his daughter, called the police on him for things he didn't do and so on. He's always been far too nice for his own good and decided to forgive her and stay friends with her for the sake of his daughter after a court custody agreement had been reached. This friendship led them to hook up one drunken night. He received a call about 6 weeks later from her informing him that he was going to be a dad again.

So, after 3 months of dating, she found out about me and went into a jealous frenzy. She stopped giving him access to his daughter and it caused a lot of problems, as the girl is very attached to her father. Over a period of almost a month, every time he went to pick her up she would stand in the door way and force her daughter back into the house and lock the door whilst screaming abuse at him in the street for all to hear. She’d tell him how pathetic he was, bring up the past etc etc and create arguments from nothing. She made him choose between having access to his daughter and having me in his life. Needless to say, this made him hate her again and was the cause of him choosing to no longer be friends. She realised later that this wasn't in her favour, as she was pregnant.

It was clear that she had hoped/expected that he would leave me and choose to prioritise her by moving back in with her to offer support with the pregnancy, birth and baby and my presence in his life had clearly ruined her plans, especially as she saw that we were getting serious as her pregnancy flew by. She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. She believed that keeping the 2nd baby would reel him back in with guilt too, like the first time, but it didn’t happen and she’s now ANGRY that she's doing this alone. She put him through a toxic cycle of abuse before he left her when the first baby was a few months old and he had a long, stressful and expensive battle in court for visitation rights as punishment.

Since the court order agreement (when his daughter was 4), his daughter has spent a lot of time with us and she loves being with us as we provide her with a very loving, stable and healthy family environment and her mother hates this when she hears about it. We know this because recently she cries in the car when he picks her up and tells her dad that her mum is horrible to her when she talks positively about us. Her mum forces her to talk about everything she does with us after she's dropped off and tells her that I’m lying when I tell her I love her, that I want to steal her dad from her, not to listen to me etc etc. She’s a very traumatised and sad child who is made to feel guilty by her mother for being happy with us and for being happy that her father has moved on with a woman she loves too. I don’t act like her mother when we have her and I tell her that she has a mum and I’m not trying to take her place and she always replies with “I know but I wish you were my mummy, my real mummy is horrible to me and daddy”.

During the pregnancy he asked her for a DNA test to prove the child was his (she was livid) and informed her that he won’t be doing anything for the baby until it’s proven the child is his. He stopped being Mr. Nice Guy to her when she showed her nasty side again after she found out about me, so he didn’t go with her to scans, the birth or to her house afterwards to support her with the baby. She agreed to do a paternity test about 10 days after the child was born and it turned out the baby is his. Since then she has been playing mind games, sometimes she will let him briefly see the child when he picks up/drops off the other one and at other times she won’t at all. It’s almost as if she’s bipolar, very nice one week and horrible the next. The baby is a month old now, she’s put him on the birth certificate, as he told her he wants to be involved in his child’s life, but she has not demanded any child maintenance (during the pregnancy she kept going on and on about how much he was going to pay her) and after the birth she was silent. She didn’t give him a say in the baby’s first or last name (she chose a different last name to his). She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access and continues to poison her child’s mind against me.

He’s very formal with her in communication, they only talk about the kids as he has placed a boundary with her where she’s unable to talk about anything else with him, which is good and I know that even if she did try or want to have him back he wouldn’t allow that. There is no insecurity or feeling threatened by her, so that’s not the issue. The issue is how to deal with the daughter situation of her being brainwashed by her mum and what is she playing at with the baby? What could we expect from her behaviour in the future? Why do some mums act this way? I would have expected that she milk him for money and physical support with the baby, but it’s the opposite. Why demand him to claim his child and nag for months for money and support only to go silent afterwards? I feel that it’s finally sunk in with her (after the baby was born) that I’m not going anywhere and that me and him are long term, but what’s the worst she could do? I know she was hoping I’d run for the hills and be heartbroken after finding out the baby is his, but I'm fine and have no intention on doing so and I think this has put her in a new dilemma. I just want to know what I need to potentially prepare for.

Thank you so much for reading all this!

OP posts:
Smilingwithfangs · 30/08/2022 17:36

Why on earth are you telling a confused little girl you barely know that you love her?

Your comment that the mum hadn’t milked him for maintenance yet (she should have paid from the start without question) and that she is only breastfeeding to spite him are insane and say so much more about you and him than her.

No point typing any more I suspect but my heart breaks for those poor kids stuck between such childish, jealous, pathetic and spiteful adults (am including you in that)

Owlsinmybedroom · 30/08/2022 17:37

I've just realised as well that you have been with this man for 9 months but you are apparently telling his daughter you love her? No wonder her mother is trying to mitigate this, you should barely be involved with the daughter at this stage never mind telling her you love her.

chillipenguin · 30/08/2022 17:40

He should offer to pay maintenance if the baby is his.

She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access I really doubt this.

Quartz2208 · 30/08/2022 17:43

All the blame in this is on her - even decisions that are perfectly sensible ones to make (the name and breastfeeding) the whole thing seems to firmly plant her as the antagonist and him as some innocent victim.

Which simply cannot be true. And he could offer to pay could he not?

And if you have known him 9 months all of this is rushed and you are buying a narrative that suits him

PermanentTemporary · 30/08/2022 17:44

Righto.

I was going to suggest you get a book deal, but actually maybe he should.

In the vanishingly unlikely situation that this is real, calm down and cool it. Your lovely partner needs to spend time being a dad to the two children he has. If he is concerned about their wellbeing because their mother is behaving so oddly, he should consider requesting that they should live with him full time. If he's not that concerned, he should still be spending a lot of his free time focusing on his children and time with them. You, I'm afraid, are a long way down that priority list. Or you should be.

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 17:44

Like PPs I’m finding the dates really confusing and not adding up. But what is clear is that he’s walking red flag bunting and you are either very, very naive, brainwashed by him or into drama.

Disengage and leave him to it, for the little girl’s sake if not your own,

NotaCoolMum · 30/08/2022 17:46

Owlsinmybedroom · 30/08/2022 17:28

Well firstly

Unfortunately, he got his ex pregnant by mistake during a drunken one-night stand for the 2nd time (before we met) and she insisted on keeping it. The child is not an it

She trapped him into a relationship with his first child by going off her pills without telling him after he told her he wanted to break up. he wanted to break up but was still willing to have sex with her (without a condom no less) what a gentleman

so he didn’t go with her to scans, the birth or to her house afterwards to support her with the baby No scans or birth I guess I get. But what you are saying her is after his baby was born because he was sulking at the mother he refused to do any parenting

but she has not demanded any child maintenance why the fuck isn't he paying it automatically?

(she chose a different last name to his) well given at this point he wasn't parenting or paying towards the child why the hell should she give the child his last name?

She has also chosen to breastfeed this baby to prolong his rights to access AKA doing the best thing by the child rather than the parent, which is as it should be, the needs of the child should always be prioritised

The issue is how to deal with the daughter situation of her being brainwashed by her mum and what is she playing at with the baby? If the daughter is in such a bad position that her dad is worried about her then why the hell is he not going to court to get his daughter living with him full time?

I just want to know what I need to potentially prepare for. Two children who end up being messed up by three toxic adults none of whom (from this OP) appear to have the children's best interest at heart (although I have a feeling the other side of the story would read very differently)

Amen 🙏🏻 100% all of the above!! ⬆️⬆️⬆️

AnneLovesGilbert · 30/08/2022 17:52

The timeframe doesn’t work at all. Pregnancy is more like 10 months than 9, you met him a month after he had sex with her without using a condom and the baby is a month old but you’ve only been together 9 months. What’s up with that?

Have you had an STD test?

He should have started paying maintenance the day the baby was born. Why hasn’t he?

The baby’s name is her choice, they’re not married so she’s being sensible.

Breastfeeding is best for a baby. She can breastfeed and he can have contact with the baby if she agrees. Too much time away from mum in the early stages is bad for a baby however it’s fed.

You do not love his older DD. You’ve known her months. Don’t be ridiculous.

If his ex is such an awful mother who does he keep having kids with her and why hasn’t he gone for full residency? He clearly thinks she’s good enough to look after his kids most of the time.

I assume he’s a millionaire who looks like Brad Pitt with a solid gold cock to be so attractive to you.

Are you scared to be on your own and think any man is better than no man?

berksandbeyond · 30/08/2022 17:53

You're a right mug!
What a prince this guy is eh?!

KnowtheBand · 30/08/2022 17:56

Are you very young OP? Have you got anyone IRL looking out for you?

Creepymanonagoatfarm · 30/08/2022 17:57

9 months in for 18 years of drama? No thanks.
Cut your losses op.

tellyiscrap · 30/08/2022 18:03

He would have had to attend the register office to register the baby if they are not married - if his name is on the birth certificate

Did he attempt to sort out some adult shared parenting at that time ?

MeridianB · 30/08/2022 18:04

i agree he is playing you with all the talk of trapped pregnancies. Absolving himself of any responsibility paints him in an extremely poor light. Why would you want to be with someone like this?

He goes back to court if he is denied access. But he needs to pay maintenance for both either way. Why on earth wouldn’t he do this? And he needs to spend a LOT of 1:1 and 1:2 time just with his children.

I agree with PPs that 9months in is the point where you should be discussing how to introduce a new partner to a child, not be sitting in the middle of a huge drama, adding friction.

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2022 18:08

KnowtheBand · 30/08/2022 17:56

Are you very young OP? Have you got anyone IRL looking out for you?

She's 38. Old enough to see right through this pile of nonsense.

KnowtheBand · 30/08/2022 18:09

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2022 18:08

She's 38. Old enough to see right through this pile of nonsense.

I missed that. Blimey, I was thinking it must be someone very young straight out of an upbringing where no one cared.

Littleheart5 · 30/08/2022 18:11

Leave, now. This is never going to end well

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2022 18:12

Well your version would have made a lot more sense Knowtheband!

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 18:16

Did anyone else almost instantly ‘know’ the other side of the story while reading the OP?

He sounds like a complete bellend.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 18:16

This is not the man of anyone’s dreams. why on earth didn’t you run a very long way from this?

You’ve been together 9 months and he has a 1 month old baby that supposedly his ex tricked him into. A baby he’s not acting any maintenance for either. No wonder his ex is feeling utterly used by him!

Maybe stop listening to him and:

  1. look at the actual circumstances and events. Take your head out the sand and ask yourself why you got involved with a man with a pregnant ex in the first place.
  2. try to muster up some basic perspective taking skills to think what version of events you’d get from the ex with the newborn baby and no support.
chillipenguin · 30/08/2022 18:18

He is the man of my dreams.
You need better dreams. Try some cheese just before bed.

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:19

It’s almost as if she’s bipolar, very nice one week and horrible the next.

If you genuinely think she may be bipolar, you need to have some compassion.

If you’re don’t, you’re being ableist by using a serious mental illness as a comparator to volatile and unreasonable behaviour.

As you also think the ex is breastfeeding manipulatively, I’m presuming it’s the latter.

Despite the 8 year old wishing you were her mummy, you’re sounding cruelly judgmental and not a good parenting role model.

Pumperthepumper · 30/08/2022 18:19

Oh, you’re being mugged off here.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 18:19

chillipenguin · 30/08/2022 18:18

He is the man of my dreams.
You need better dreams. Try some cheese just before bed.

Tbh, this is the kind of dream that might result from too much cheese (and a bag of wine).

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:20

SudocremOnEverything · 30/08/2022 18:19

Tbh, this is the kind of dream that might result from too much cheese (and a bag of wine).

With an aperitif of sniffing glue.

chillipenguin · 30/08/2022 18:21

DuchessDarty · 30/08/2022 18:20

With an aperitif of sniffing glue.

This is true.

Lay off the cheese