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Recovery from dysfunctional step families support thread

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SnowWhitesSM · 09/01/2022 17:56

This thread is for anyone seeking support and wanting to share their WTF moments now they're out of the dysfunctional dynamics of step families where there's the classics of - Disney dadding, dad guilt, over compensating, exes on power trips, not being able to share a bed with your husband, loyalty binds, feeling guilty about your own dc.

Please post any articles you want to share, any insights, any thoughts you've had now you've reclaimed your power and voice in your own home again.

We did not deserve to be in the middle of their dysfunction. We did not deserve to be the scapegoat for their mess of a family. We did not deserve to be painted as a monster for wanting basic boundaries and house rules. We are no longer the unpaid nanny 👊

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sassbott · 09/01/2022 18:20

Marking my place. Thank you for starting.

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 18:32

I’m still kind of unpicking myself from this mess. I think this weekend I have had a personal breakthrough where I’ve recognised that all my anger and resentment are absolutely because I know that this relationship and this family are, and always will be, some ways down my husband’s priority list. His choices and actions make this clear again and again. His words do not match those actions. But it’s the actions that tell the truth.

He will not - does not want to - meet any of my basic needs in this relationship. I’m pretty traumatised by not being cared for - vilified and scapegoated even.

I’m sad about it. And sadder still for little DS, who is not a priority for his father. He’s at least a prop to entertain the SC. And his father has no intention of protecting him from their poor behaviour and their mother’s poor values and parenting.

I need to concentrate on building my own life and not giving him the ability to upset me. I need to stop hoping, only to be disappointed and frustrated - and angry and resentful.

One of the frustrating things he does is go on about moving away/abroad. There’s a current flashpoint around him being offered a job in Central Europe that I’ve decided I wish he would just take. He won’t. I’m not that lucky.

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 20:58

OK… I’ll put this here because it’ll help me to process what I think has been the final straw for me.

The background is that it’s been a nightmare. By summer 2021, things were so dire I left. Al sorts of drama and bullshit ensued. The situation now is that we live separately - me in the house we co-own; he rents miles away (right next to his ex). That particular choice is a bugbear of mine, even more so when he complains it’s crap out there in the sticks and there’s nothing to do etc. There was a whole city to choose from, but he made his choice based on what mattered to him (clue: it wasn’t me or our child).

DS is a toddler and with me 100% of the time. My husband does his Disney dadding of the SC every other weekend and on a Wednesday night. He whinges about it.

We have allegedly been trying to work things out. But actually all his actions simply reinforce the problem that he takes this family for granted, sees our child (and me) as something to be fitted in around what’s more important. That might be exercise classes. That might be deciding to declutter boxes he’s not decluttered in twenty years rather than spending time with his wife and toddler son (who apparently are top priority and he wants to spend all his time with . However, the SC’s weekends are sacred. He’ll demand to take DS to softplay for an hour or so as a prop to entertain them. But otherwise it’s 100% avoiding anything that doesn’t make him feel like superdad.

This weekend is not a Disney dad weekend. So, he could actually have spent all weekend with us. Did he? No.

Also for context, he never shares his plans with me til the last minute. Because that means I can’t make my own plans. If I do, he gives me shit about ‘denying him access to his son’.

On Saturday morning he decided that he wanted to take DS to baby swimming (I pay for this and enjoy taking him, so it’s deeply irritating). He messaged me to let me know this as I was getting DS ready to leave (I can’t afford to run a car at the moment, so we were getting the bus). So he spent the morning and part of the afternoon with us. DS had a 2.5 hour nap in that time, during which the only thing H was interested in was sex. Obviously.

After lunch, H informs me that he’s made plans to go out on Saturday night. He’d never get a babysitter and do it on a Disney dad weekend. No. But I’m there looking after the baby anyway so this is his time to do what he likes. 🙄 He left just before 4. Then messaged me to complain he was bored in his house and wasn’t going out til 9pm.

Before he left, he gave me back DS’s car seat (which he’s put in his car to go to swimming). So that was a clear sign that he was done with DS for the weekend entirely. I didn’t ask because that just ends up being a fight.

I got a self indulgent message about midnight from him. But today he’s been remarkably quiet. He usually bothers me with messages all day telling me everything he’s doing and asking what I’m doing, because he wants me to entertain him. So he’s obviously got plans and doesn’t want to share them with me.

I’d bet money that he’s arranged to have his other children for the day and tonight. And he’s done something super Disney dad with them. Obviously they’re his children, blah blah blah. But - and this is the final straw I think, whatever he’s doing today - the thing is that it wasn’t his contact weekend. He’d need to make special plans and negotiate in advance with his ex. He has them all next weekend. This weekend, he could have spent the whole time with DS (and me - but actually, it’s the difference in effort towards his children that I’m fed up with). But he’s chosen not to. Even if he’s not with the other children, there’s still a very obvious pattern that our DS gets fitted in whenever he doesn’t have anything better to do, but Disney dadding the SC is sacred and everything else must revolve around that.

I’m just exhausted with believing his shit that it’s all in my head that his children are not all equal. And in fact, DS and I are his priority. We are not (and that’s not what I need from him). I need to properly accept that he just cares less about our DS and he will put him last. He’s got no intention of meeting my need to feel cared for and like this family matters to him. That we are not always at the bottom of the list. Saying we are the most important thing to him and he wants to be with us all the time means nothing because his actions speak volumes.

I am trying not to blame myself for having allowed myself to be strung along by the hope and bullshit he fed me. And not to judge myself for the enormous anger I feel towards him. That’s all just a manifestation of him repeatedly failing to meet my needs in a relationship while telling me that he was if only I weren’t too crazy to see it.

Now if only he’d tell his boss that he does want the job offer in another country rather than remote. (Because I’ve had bullshit about that all week and I’m exhausted by it - I can’t even begin to bring myself to describe the absolute shit stream of consciousness I have sat quietly through, biting my tongue because the only alternative is a fit of rage and then I’m the bad guy).

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 21:38

So he claims (I’m not entirely sure I believe him) that what he’s been doing all day is:

He decided to stay at his friend’s flat last night because it was cheaper than a taxi to the middle of nowhere. So they stayed up til 3am drinking and looking at music magazines.

The today they went for breakfast, he got the train home and ‘continued his clear out’. Yep. That’s more important than seeing his son.

This is actually worse than seeing the SC on a non-contact weekend, I think. Because their weekends are scared and no one could ever expect him to not have them Friday to Monday morning. That would be unacceptable.

But clearing out boxes and taking things to the tip are more important than spending time with our child.

I’ve completely had enough.

SnowWhitesSM · 09/01/2022 21:45

What positives have you got going on right now?

I bet it's lovely to have the house to yourself and your dc.

It's so dysfunctional the set up you have. I can guess your previous username and remember the shit you had to deal with.

What exactly do you want? If you had a magic wand what would your life look like now? Do you even want him around anymore? If he was with you and ds all weekend how would that weekend have actually gone?

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BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 21:55

All good questions.

I’m sure you can guess my previous usernames. It’s a total shit storm.

What do I want… I want a life where I’m not constantly disappointed and frustrated and resentful. That’s only going to happen if I draw a line under than and say I deserve better. My sons do too.

Genuinely, I think I want him to fuck off and live in the Alps. He can live out his bachelor fantasies and (and this is an actual quote from this week’s monologues) ‘visit people from time to time’. My life would be much easier if he actually did this, rather than saying he will and never doing it.

You’re right that this weekend would have been crap with him. Of course it would. I’d do all the work and he’d complain that the toddler was annoying or hard work or whatever. He’d bring his bloody guitar with him and pretend that was entertaining DS. I’d end up wanting him to leave and, given the certainty of more alpine fantasy monologues, end up so frustrated and angry that I’d lose my temper.

What is good in my life… I had a nice day with DS. We went out to a local museum and he had a great time.

I do have a lovely quiet house. My husband does not have a key - nor am I giving him one. I can watch Disney films with DS without his father complaining that he hates them etc.

Bookaholic73 · 09/01/2022 21:58

@BurntToastAgain why are you even with this man? What positive things does he bring to yours and your DCs lives?

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 22:11

Also good questions.

Well I don’t think I am with him any longer. I’ve told him (in writing because clearing boxes is more important than me, so a WhatsApp message will do) that I am disengaging. He will not meet my needs and I just end up feeling almost perpetually disappointed, frustrated, resentful and angry.

He has (of course) painted me as the bad guy. Apparently he finds himself justifying himself to me. And his therapist told him that he should do something for himself.

He clearly never does anything for himself. He doesn’t regularly go out with friends (every non contact weekend for about 3 months now). He didn’t go to stay with his family for 3 nights at Christmas because he wanted to see his brother and go to the pub repeatedly. He doesn’t regularly go to exercise classes. Or for runs. He doesn’t live alone and spend as much time as he likes playing fifa. Nope. Never does anything for himself. Ever.

Meanwhile, I’m literally holding the baby. Of course.

There’s no point in being angry. That’s just a way of avoiding the truth. He is too selfish and doesn’t care about me in any meaningful way. That is what I have to accept.

I’m going to put my efforts into not seeing this as a personal failing in myself. He is what he is. I tried. But it’s not a failing to need to feel that your husband gives a shit.

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 22:38

Turns out that he did see the SC too.

I’ve submitted a divorce application.

SnowWhitesSM · 09/01/2022 22:51

Well done @BurntToastAgain

Have you got your own counselling? This is not a personal failing of yours. There is nothing you can do in this situation to make your marriage work. The only thing in your control is your happiness.

I'm assuming you have grieved a lot in this marriage so far. You may now have the grief for the time you spent thinking about him rather than thinking about you. If you're angry let it out, don't keep those feelings in, but don't become consumed in that feeling and end up bitter. Make a voodoo doll and stick those needles in - whatever works! Then let it go.

Put on those Disney films. Get some popcorn with your lovely ds and enjoy your freedom. You've got a lifetime free from being emotionally entangled in his shit ahead of you. I know you've got the baby but he doesn't seem that bothered about the baby, think of that as a plus.

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BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 22:58

Apparently he will contest the divorce and insist on spending his savings doing so.

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 23:25

And that he’ll force me to sell the house. Won’t accept me buying him out.

And that he’ll basically do all he can to make my life hell.

I guess that’s conformation that I’ve done the right thing.

BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 23:26

@SnowWhitesSM He’ll be bothered about using the baby to hurt me.

DPotter · 09/01/2022 23:34

Oh the irony of a Disney Dad not liking Disney films.

Sorry Burnt - sounds an awful situation. Hope he's all talk when it comes to the divorce settlement.

SnowWhitesSM · 09/01/2022 23:37

You've absolutely done the right thing if that's how he will treat you post split. He's not a nice reasonable person.

Can he force you to sell the house whilst you've got dc u18? Have you had legal advice? Is he just a load of hot air and actually won't bother with the hard work of being horrible and vindictive.

Even if you have to start again completely from scratch it will be worth it. You will be happy. This man will never be happy - look at the destruction he is causing to his dc and family. He's not a healthy person.

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BurntToastAgain · 09/01/2022 23:38

He’s awful. He will be vindictive and awful.

Bunnybunny1 · 09/01/2022 23:39

I will only ever give my daughter ONE piece of advice and that will be to NEVER be a step parent.
Worst decision I ever made.
I’m still with DH and DSD has decided to live full time with her mum for the past 4 months and it has been nothing short of bliss. He still takes her on holiday, watched films with her, takes her places a d enjoys quality time with her (15) but I haven’t had her or her crazy mother in my house for months and it’s been so beneficial for my mental health. Zero drama, zero Eastenders style blow ups just peace and happiness for all, thank God!

Magda72 · 10/01/2022 00:31

Oh my god @BurntToastAgain - I'm just exhausted reading your posts! Bar the ex & sdc your h sounds very like my exh - all "woe is me & I never have any time to myself blah, blah, blah & I deserve so much more". And yes, I was the bad guy for having the nerve to expect consideration as his wife & mother of his dc & to expect assistance & to be put first some of the time.
This is absolutely not a personal failing! You cannot change these people as they are monumentally self centred & truly believe they are the centre of the known universe & the tragic star of the Drama that is their hard knock life!
As @SnowWhitesSM said - stay focused on the positives & honestly? - If he's that intent on Disneying the sdc & enjoying himself (because he's worth it & don't you forget it) he probably won't want to see his money drain away on a divorce.
He's trying to scare you into backing down - stand firm! You got this Smile.

RoyKentsChestHair · 10/01/2022 00:56

@BurntToastAgain

He’s awful. He will be vindictive and awful.
It’s actually quite liberating when you realise how awful they are and you don’t have to keep trying anymore.

I’m a month out of my situation. We never lived together - mainly because every time the option came up, the Disneying ramped up and his DCs whined about how my kids wouldn’t have to do anything and they’d be made to tidy up all the time Grin.

If you’d ever seen their house (& specifically the sty that is their room) you’d realise how hilarious that idea is.

Final straw for me re moving in was that I said it would be nice if his DCs still wanted to come round sometimes even when he was working away (he spent a lot of time working abroad for 2-3 weeks at a time at one point). He got cross and said that it would be their home so they could come whenever they wanted (even though that would have meant me trying to get 5 children to 4 different schools in 2 different towns in the mornings!) at which point I realised that he would never see the house thing with anything other than his ‘Disney Dad princesses being victim of the evil step mother’ head on.

Now we’re not together I really should just forget about it but I’ve spent 9 years dealing with this bullshit and still have some venom to get out of my system clearly!

RoyKentsChestHair · 10/01/2022 01:03

And actually - what I meant to say! - was that seeing how he was towards his SIL when she split from his DB recently shone a light on his attitude.

The ‘vindictive’ comment reminded me. His DB was quibbling over who got £20k with his ex, in amongst the hundreds of thousands in the house, his £100k salary and her potential big future inheritance. They’ll both be fine in the long run and I said that by the time they’d got a solicitor to fight it out over this £20k they’d end up losing half of it in fees so why not just split it. XP said he’d rather give it all to the solicitor than allow the ex to have any of it. I realised that would be me in our divorce/split. They really do show their true colours when it comes to it.

BurntToastAgain · 10/01/2022 07:29

Thanks @Magda72 and @RoyKentsChestHair.

He is trying to scare me. Lots of threats going on. But he’s also vindictive. He will cut off his nose to spite his face.

He’s very angry that I am divorcing him - not him divorcing me. And that he’s not in control. I can divorce him and there’s nothing he can do about it. So he is and will be looking to punish me (for both knocks to his ego).

Yesterday, I just knew what he was up to. I knew that he’d decided to take some of what could have been this family’s time and have his other kids instead. He was hiding it because he knew that’s what he was doing. He was making it very clear that, even when presented with the opportunity to spend a whole weekend with his wife and child (and where he had no other responsibilities), he’s not interested in that.

His other children are not nice children at all this is 100% their parents’ doing. They both have poor values. He knows their behaviour and attitudes are not nice but he’ll subject DS to it anyway and not protect him from his aggressive half brother and half sister who specialises in aversion of negging everyone her. Learned behaviours.

I can’t do anything about this. Alas.

The bastard isn’t going to move to Switzerland. He never was. He was just looking for a way to pretend to everyone that I stopped him. But he was never going to do it.

Yesterday was definitely a moment of clarity. A big sign saying: you will never be any kind of priority for him. He will go out of his way to make that clear.

Around lunchtime, I did an online therapy exercise and realised that we were stuck in the house making no plans because we were waiting for him to choose us. And I thought: no. I took the baby out. And I knew that I would be filing my divorce when he admitted he’d chosen to rearrange contact so he could see the SC instead.

He missed a single Wednesday (because he had covid - which he caught while out at the pub with his brother). And his actual explanation for blowing us off for this was that he’d already seen plenty of DS.

And I knew that divorce was the only option. I was entirely done. I submitted the application I had ready on the online system anyway.

sassbott · 10/01/2022 08:12

Good morning all.

Firstly thank you @SnowWhitesSM for starting this and great idea!

I think this thread is going to be a mix of recovering exSM’s and those still in the thick of it. Hopefully we can all support one another, without judgement. (Without the normal pile in we see on other threads). I wonder if we should compile a list of thread ‘rules’ for all posters to abide by? A bit like the dating thread in relationships. Worth a thought.

In terms of me and why I’m here? I finally ended an on/ off relationship of 5 years recently. The dysfunction within it (I thought) was around child contact, my exp ability to focus on anything outside his children and the ongoing conflict he had with his EXW. Now don’t get me wrong, the ongoing court dramas/ allegations etc all were very much present and absolutely impacted him, me and our relationship.

However, what I was unable to see at the time (and have only been able to fully acknowledge since ending the relationship for the last time) is that another core dysfunction was also my exp. His core behaviours were deeply unhealthy.

For me, my problem was that the ongoing contact issues / court issues provided a justification/ shield for his behaviour. I have an amicable co-parenting relationship with my exh so the thought of going through what my exp did and witnessing the level of conflict between his EXW/ impact to the children, yielded huge amounts of sympathy from me. I gave leeway and allowed for behaviours I otherwise wouldn’t have done. The situation also allowed me the killer of emotions - hope.

Constant hope that when full contact happened, when the court cases concluded, when the stress levels dropped and some normality was allowed to return, the focus could return to our relationship and the man I met (early on) would return.

The court cases stopped. Stress levels dropped. Normality (of some description) was available, but things didn’t improve. Eventually I had to face the cold/ hard realisation that the person I was in a relationship with was not a very nice person and was in fact deeply unhealthy .That the person I had met simply wasn’t returning (perhaps was never real). And that unless I bent myself into a pretzel trying to give him everything he wanted, he was simply never going to be happy with what I was prepared to offer. (The likelihood is that even if I had given him everything it wouldn’t have been enough).

The last 5 years have been a hard lesson to learn. But for me I think it’s been an important one, because I have learned all lot about people and situations I didn’t know before. Simply put, I was incredibly naive. As tough as it has been, the past 5 years have taught me incredibly important lessons that will now help me/ my children moving forward.

I now know I will never date a man with children younger than mine. I swerved one of those last week, super nice guy who then told me he had a 2 and 3 year old, I declined to go out with him for a drink. I’m just not interested in going backwards at any level.

I know I will not date a man who has a ‘reaction’ to his ex. I recently went on 3 dates with a man who seemed lovely initially, however on the third date and after a bit of wine, he proceeded to do a Darth Vader impression and said it was his exwife and then proceeded to say some more stuff about her/ them.

I have also learned that I will never cohabit with someone, potentially ever. But certainly not until my children are grown and out of our home.

I have learned that I am exceptionally lucky to co-parent with my ex and the process of the last 5 years meant I have been increasingly respectful of him as a co-parent and that has been of huge benefit to our children.

I’ve learned that I’m more than ok on my own and that my family unit is very much complete, just me and my kids. I will date resolutely away from my kids.

I’ve learned to respect myself and my home. And regardless of what may be going on in someone else’s life, to never again allow myself to be used as their emotional punchbag.

I’ve learned that I am very content not to remarry.

Essentially I have learned a lot about myself. I have grown up, finally established healthy boundaries and realised just how lucky I am to be in the situation I am.

I sometimes have moments of self pity. I did love my exp deeply. I really believed we could have had a good and happy life. I cannot believe I wasted 5 years of my life trying to make it work and wait for his life to have room for me. I miss the happy naiveity. I miss the hopes and dreams I had of a messy life with him. But then I realise that I was incredibly lucky to escape relatively unscathed. That I was very lucky that somehow I had refused to marry/ co-habit. Refused to merge any form of financials in the form of a joint home. Refused to have an ‘our’ baby.

Whilst the break up is hard, I was lucky to walk away with simply packing a bag of his stuff and asking him to leave. No ties more than that.

I don’t think this experience will ever leave me, it’s changed who I am as a person. It’s been deeply traumatising at times. I never could have imagined the core dysfunction and layers of dysfunction that can exist between exes and their children.

Sad really.

Youcanhavehim · 10/01/2022 08:16

I'm in

sassbott · 10/01/2022 08:25

@BurntToastAgain I’m so sorry to read your updates. That must be heartbreaking. It’s clear that you too have inherited a vast amount of dysfunction. And it’s not to do with exes/ his other children, this is him and the choices he is making.

It sounds like he was essentially trying to force your hand so that he could be the victim.

How are you communicating with him? My simple advice at this early stage (when things are so heightened) is to try and communicate factually in writing. Avoid phone calls/ in person convos.
Remember anything you write can be submitted to court as evidence of this isn’t done amicably. Keep a diary, of how often he has seen you/ your child etc.

Also beware of how this could escalate and associated lawyers fees. If he is a high conflict person, then he may deliberately push this route in order to drain funds. Given his rhetoric he may well cross petition, if you haven’t already get some initial legal advice.

Re the house and forcing you out? There’s no clear answer and that depends on how assets would be divided, whose name the mortgage is in etc etc. My exh was initially clear that he would push for the marital home to be sold and money split. However I was fortunate enough that I could buy him out through splitting the marital assets slightly differently but also, I was approved the mortgage in my sole name. So he essentially was in no position to ‘force’ a sale of any sort. It was stressful but I managed to keep the kids and I in our home.

Hope you’re doing ok Flowers

SnowWhitesSM · 10/01/2022 08:37

@BurntToastAgain I know it's a lot easier to say than to do but can you block him for a while? Maybe set a seperate email account up just for communicating with him that you only check when you want to. I think it's really important that you claim your power back in this. You deserve to have peace in your life and communicating with him isn't giving it to you.

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