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harryclr · 08/01/2021 00:08

DP and I have argued a few times now about holidays.

We have a 7month old and he has a 5yr old DD from a previous relationship. I have expressed that whilst our baby is still young I'd like to go on a couple of more grown up breaks before he gets too old and our holidays have completely changed and are 100% revolved around children. Due to Covid we missed out on our baby moon and my birthday trip to Lisbon.

Is this selfish of me? I just think it would be nice to have time just us and our baby, as he doesn't speak or walk or have wants we are still able to go on a city break for example where he can be in the pram etc. A 5 year old needs constant entertaining and attention and the holiday completely changes. We can also be more intimate and affectionate and have more interesting/adult conversation when a 5yr old isn't around.

Does anyone think it's unreasonable of me?

He called me selfish and 'evil' and insists I want to leave his DD out and exclude her. He gets instantly defensive whenever I suggest anything, almost anything at all without her. He even went as far as to tell me where to go if I don't like it...I never said I never want to go on a family holiday, I am merely saying we have the opportunity at the moment to do a couple of different trips before our holidays are water parks, zoos and chips!

Is it selfish and unfair to just ask for some balance and compromise in this blended family?

I would only ever suggest to go away when DD is at her mums also, she is also at school.

Thanks x

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KumquatSalad · 14/01/2021 17:14

[quote MyCatHatesEverybody]@KumquatSalad you are a legend Star[/quote]
Oh. Apparently I am most definitely not. 😁

Not at all.

Witchymclovely · 14/01/2021 17:22

It does start with the parents. Totally agree

Youseethethingis · 14/01/2021 17:46

I like how @KumquatSalad thread “isn’t in the spirit when the whole idea was to collate the stupid things people say to us SMs on repeat on this board and laugh at them instead of feeling attacked by them Hmm

MyCatHatesEverybody · 14/01/2021 17:48

@Youseethethingis I was about to post the exact same thing.

Proves our point better than we ever could!!

Youseethethingis · 14/01/2021 17:49

MNHQ don’t get it either. Nice.

KumquatSalad · 14/01/2021 18:12

@Youseethethingis

I like how *@KumquatSalad* thread “isn’t in the spirit when the whole idea was to collate the stupid things people say to us SMs on repeat on this board and laugh at them instead of feeling attacked by them Hmm
Yes. Apparently it’s only not in the spirit if we direct it at ourselves.

🤷🏻‍♀️

KumquatSalad · 14/01/2021 18:22

Actually maybe that is the point. The spirit of MN is to tell SMs these things. Of course mocking that is not ok.

Silly me.

sassbott · 14/01/2021 20:08

Wow. Someone reported that thread.
Truth hurts.

MNHQ how is that NOT in the spirit of this board? Vs non step parents frequenting these threads and spouting vile/ non supportive bile on threads?

Pot. Kettle. Black. Evidently MNHQ don’t have many SM’s either.

KumquatSalad · 14/01/2021 20:15

Oh I’m sure it all plays poorly with advertisers @sassbott.

After all, the whole ‘think of the children’ thing is used in so many contexts to shut down any thinking or debate on any issue. It’s remarkably effective.

And everyone hates SMs anyway. So it’s a win-win. For everyone expect the woman who is struggling and feeling guilty yet gets told that she’s a truly awful human being and she just needs to stop believing any of her needs matter. But that ok. She’s a SM. She knew what she was getting into. 🤦🏻‍♀️

KumquatSalad · 14/01/2021 20:16

Sorry for hijacking your thread @harryclr. I did try to take it elsewhere.

Enough4me · 14/01/2021 20:38

OP, you are the SM I wish my DCs had, as you think about having some holidays as a blended family. My DCs SM doesn't consider them at all and says mean things to them. You do not sound evil, but like a regular person looking for balance.

I hope it works out for you, but your DH does sound really hard on you.

harryclr · 14/01/2021 22:48

@KumquatSalad

Sorry for hijacking your thread *@harryclr*. I did try to take it elsewhere.
Not at all! It's created extremely interested debate indeed!

Thank you @Enough4me x

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Courtney555 · 15/01/2021 14:08

I've been a "SM" (wasn't married to the father, but had long term relationships) twice.

The second instance was great. 3dc from his previous relationship. All lovely children. I wasn't mum. I was dad's partner. Because that's what I, DP and ExW all accepted. No one pushed me in a box, no one said out loud, you know Courtney isn't your mum, and it worked. Really well. 5 years on, they occasionally message me, because, well, we like each other. I'm a nice person. They are nice children, who are now nice young adults. DP handled everything so well between all parties, that it just worked. I truly believe this is because DP and ExW mutually separated. There was no "who's this b*tch living what my relationship should have been" unwarranted bile in the background.

The first instance was horrendous, and it was categorically down to the ExW in that situation. The audacity of DP to have left her. The cruelty of breaking up her home (they were never married either, if it makes any difference) which was only ever viewed from her scorned viewpoint, and never from the children's. The children were continually upset by her "we don't have a family because daddy lives with Courtney now" despite me not meeting him until long after he had left her. She sent her DC round with secret note books to write down and report back what me and DP were doing, we found them in their room with pointless entries such as "daddy is making sandwiches and Courtney has gone to Tesco. 1.15pm". It was all so twisted and weird. Endless "If daddy really loved you, he'd live with you, but he wants to live with Courtney doesn't he". They were brainwashed beyond belief, all from her woman scorned perspective. I was still the same person who happened to go on to have a great SM relationship with three children in my next relationship, so I know it wasn't me. To be honest, credit to that awful woman's children, because given the nastiness they were constantly fed, they took a lot in their stride and did enjoy quality time with their father. It was a large factor in me ending that relationship. It's now nearly a decade on, and I know he's not been in a relationship since me. She will have been there at every step making sure of that.

I'm long past both of those situations, and happily married now, but having experienced it myself, and seen many friends in very similar situations, the foundation of any relationship absolutely lies with the ExW. If she is a decent woman, she will understand that and build a strong foundation for her children. If she's not, she will capitalise on the power she has, and ruins it for everyone, so she wins, even as her children lose.

I think it's actually a crying shame for some SM. To find someone they know they would have happily spent the rest of their life with, to find their soulmate, and to lose that, by the endless manipulation and sabotage from a woman scorned in the background, with the smugness that she will always be in the background.

Of course, some SM are arseholes too. Absolutely. But it seems to be the unspoken elephant in the room that in the majority of cases the ExW feels bitter and that's the root of everyone's problem.

sqirrelfriends · 15/01/2021 14:46

@Courtney555 It sounds like you have a great understanding of just how much power the kids mum can hold over your own relationship, to everyone's detriment including the kids. I have a family member who's ex wife has no shame in withholding contact to get what she wants, they now have almost no relationship with anyone on our side including grandparents because we're all apparently awful people. It's so unfair and the one who really misses out is the child.

I'm a stepmom myself and I'm really lucky that DHs ex doesn't poke her nose in at all. She knows it's in the best interest of her child to keep things pleasant and I really appreciate that. In the beginning it was hard, she was really horrible about me even through they had split over a year before I was even in the picture. It just shows how jealousy can make even reasonable people behave badly.

MyCatHatesEverybody · 15/01/2021 14:48

@Courtney555 "I was still the same person who happened to go on to have a great SM relationship with three children in my next relationship, so I know it wasn't me."

This is such a good point which illustrates 2 things I think - 1) that we go into this thinking we have an idea what we're getting into because we know we're nice people so why wouldn't we build bonds with our DSC after a period of initial adjustment? and 2) it shows why the blame is nearly always directed at the step parent when things go wrong, because the assumption is that success or failure is based mainly on our actions and not the wider dynamic whether that's exW, disney dadding or both.

Courtney555 · 15/01/2021 15:11

Yup. I've seen it with my friends too, and I equally blame the men in these situations. They pander around and jump through ridiculous hoops for this arsehole ExW, because her merriment at ruining their relationship, passing off the ridiculous behaviour as "what's best for the child". No one can apparently say anything to that. If they actually grew a back bone, told the ExW to F off, removed her power, and got a contact order done whereby she would be arrested if she didn't play ball, she would have a lot less to act like a puppet master with.

I've seen this over things as shameful such as my friend and her partner getting a dog, The ExW (of some 8 years ago) had always wanted one but never got one. How dare my friend get what she should have had (8 f*cking years on) so she told her DC that my friend asked him to get it because they bite children!! God forbid this dickhead buys her own dog 8 years after separation. No no, what an opportunity to sabotage what she will be eternally jealous of. It matters not that she's upset her own child to achieve that.

Courtney555 · 15/01/2021 15:27

This is why it's so wrong for OP to be accused of being "evil" by her DP for asking for one holiday, whilst her own DC is pram bound, so much more relaxing for the two adults involved.

She's not "evil" in any respect. She wants an adult type city break, while they have a baby that sleeps through the day, and they don't have long until that opportunity expires. And yet she's not seen as having any importance. Just evil. How could she possibly disadvantage the poor child of the ExW by not having her come along...during the time when the SC should be with the ExW anyway. As per usual, all that matters is the SC getting over and above, creating an entitled child who expects no compromise, to come first in any situation, irrespective of who else is (supposedly) an equal party of the family. Who cares about OP. Or her relationship, or her own DC. OP knew what she was getting into, right Hmm

sassbott · 15/01/2021 18:02

the foundation of any relationship absolutely lies with the ExW. If she is a decent woman, she will understand that and build a strong foundation for her children. If she's not, she will capitalise on the power she has, and ruins it for everyone, so she wins, even as her children lose.

@Courtney555 this is so so so true! It was without doubt the biggest factor in why i ended my last relationship. After nearly 5 years and the exwife resolutely refusing to settle / become low conflict I had to ask myself if she was a human being I wanted anywhere in my sphere. I had to say no. Pure vindictiveness drives her.

It is the elephant in the room that needs much wider discussion. More women need to be called on their out and out vindictive behaviour around exes and children.

Enough4me · 17/01/2021 00:27

Woman always get blamed over men. Yet in this case the OPs DH has been saying nasty things to her and that's worse than his ex saying it.

My exH cheated on me but for the sake of the DCs I wanted to move on and told my DCs to be nice to SM. However, he has continually tried to be vindictive towards me and didn't like it when I moved on; his partner joins in because otherwise he's not nice to her.

Why do the men always get away with being vindictive or not supporting their partner? The blame always goes on mum's or SMs. I think men need to be held to account more!

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 17/01/2021 14:30

Leaving both is one thing, only wanting him to take one of his children definitely not.

I never get why people get into relationships where there are existing children then exclude them from family things.

KumquatSalad · 17/01/2021 14:35

Congratulations @IceCreamAndCandyfloss.

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Pleaseaddcaffine · 17/01/2021 14:41

Ha that made me laugh x

sassbott · 17/01/2021 15:01

😂😂😂😂

SpongebobNoPants · 17/01/2021 15:04

@KumquatSalad 😂😂😂👏🏻

MyCatHatesEverybody · 17/01/2021 15:12

@KumquatSalad

Congratulations *@IceCreamAndCandyfloss*.
YABU, a city break geared 99% around the wants of two adults in regard to the choice of destination, day trips, restaurants, staying out etc that just happens to have a baby tagging along who won't get bored or need entertaining as such is obviously a family thing dontcha know FFS
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