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This is never going to end. Having to consider leaving boyfriend to protect my children from his ex.

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 05/11/2020 22:02

There is so much back story.

This thread gives a sense of the issues if you want more background www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stepparenting/3549889-There-goes-our-easter-holiday.

Yesterday accusations were made against my children. My biggest fear came true. I have spent over 3 years of my relationship terrified of this moment. I knew that mum was capable, but hoped that time would help allay whatever was going on in her head.

Now I'm having to consider if I can continue in my relationship because I don't think my children can have any more contact with partners child.

My partner had a phone call Tuesday from social care. Mother made an allegation against one of my children, of which I'm sure you can guess the nature. Luckily for me and my partner, I have never allowed the children to be alone together. They are always supervised when here (we still don't permanently live together - he maintains a separate property) because I needed to protect my children. We both know the allegation to be untrue because the children are not left alone (which is exhausting, but I felt necessary until the mother was more reasonable - which I had hoped time would bring).

I had a social worker visit yesterday, who concluded that she had no concerns that anything had happened. She spoke to the children. She was very nice and reassuring. All well on my front. Her investigation will be completed within 3 weeks, other than a safety talk to my children so they can tick a box there is no further follow up. Report will state children are safeguarded by each parent, no concerns.

Child has been medically examined. No concerns there either.

The child is 3 (almost 4). They have repeated an allegation to the social worker - but we don't have the full story still. Social care is in two authorities. My authority told me one version, the childs authority told another version. Childs authority was asked today to confirm allegation, but they said they weren't sure yet and they were still trying to find out what it was from the child Hmm.

Partner was told he can still maintain his contact, but until my authority send their report, child should not come here. Fine by us both. Social worker reports back to mum, no concerns, dad to maintain contact in his property until report is through.

Of course, mum refused. Said no contact at all. Made further allegation that child is now saying daddy tells her not to tell mummy things (again, untrue).

It is exhausting. This mother will not rest until she has what she wants. She plays a long game. She bides her time. This is a child who is not quite 4. This will be the 4th application to court (2nd enforcement, 2 previous child arrangement applications). Me and my children are now being made in to her collateral damage.

I can not tell you how angry I am that she stooped this low. I knew it was possible, but did not believe she would go this far to try and stop contact.

If this had not affected my children, I would be able to tolerate the situation. But now my children have been targeted, I don't think our relationship is tenable. I can step back, we have our own property. The children can be kept separate. But, I just don't think that is a life I want to lead. It is incredibly painful to find myself here. I know couples do do this when children are involved. But for us, it doesn't feel right.

I can't see a way through this. My children will suffer both ways. Obviously they could suffer more if further accusations were made. But should we go our separate ways, my children will have the only male role model in their lives taken away. He enriches their lives incredibly. He has been there for them for 3 years. They are only 7 and 5. They don't remember life before him. He has enabled them to take part in extra curricular activities (I couldn't do it without his support), he has enabled me to change my job to be there for them more by providing childcare at unsocial hours, he has taught them through lockdown and beyond (he is a primary teacher). He is a father figure to them when their own father did not want to be. Even my oldest child (18) has had his life improved by my partner being present and thinks highly of him, despite the teenage years being one of the most difficult times to consider blending a family. Had he not reacted well to him, then we wouldn't be here over 3 years later as again, my children are my priority.

I feel sick. I will always put my children first. But this feels so incredibly wrong. All my children are going to suffer either way now, to varying degrees.

I guess I don't really need advice. Just understanding and a little moral support. I'm just so bloody angry.

OP posts:
steppemum · 13/11/2020 16:00

OP, I really feel for you, what a difficult situation.

I think you have to walk away.
This woman is likely to cause ongoing and difficult situations to your children, which is really infair to them. Imagine if, at age 15/16 she makes a claim against one of your kids which remains on file?

While you think you are able to keep them all away from each other, this is no way to live, and not realistic, and also, they will see you doing it eventually and ask why. What message does that give to your kids.

Think of the time that your DP has given to your kids as time and relationship given to them as a gift for the time they had, but now finished.

You need to walk away.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 13/11/2020 20:25

@steppemum your description of the time given to my children made me cry.
He has been a carer to my 7 year old, providing me with respite many times. Home schooling the two of them for the entirety of the school closures whilst I went out to work. He stood up and took them on when their own father abandoned them. He has gone above and beyond for them. Everything you would want a partner to be/do.

This is really fucking painful.

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PiperPiper20 · 13/11/2020 20:49

Is any of this coming from the child independently?

Or is it being prompted by their DM?

ThisMustBeMyDream · 13/11/2020 20:53

Unsure really. He is only getting snippets of information. From what we can gather she has repeated allegation the mother made - but changes which child it was made against. She has said she no longer wants to see my children.

That is all we really know. The daddy tells mummy not to say things has been said by the mother, we don't think anyone has asked the child. We don't know what she has said in the hospital other than the social worker saying she is currently well, so no pressing medical concerns.

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 13/11/2020 20:54

He hasn't seen his daughter since the allegation was made - 16 days ago. Mother is refusing contact. So no idea what she is actually saying.

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Covidchameleon · 13/11/2020 21:09

Oh OP I don’t know what to say. You’re in such a difficult situation. I feel for you, your DP and this woman’s children - not just your partners little girl but the other one too.

MrsP1991 · 13/11/2020 22:33

Not read all of the replies but I say 100% separate @ThisMustBeMyDream

You have to protect yourself and your children and also demonstrate to your children 1. Their importance (not to say you don't already) 2. In life when you get a nasty warning like this you then stop it and move away/ protect yourselves.

If you can't bear to split keep his child away from you/ yours. Child's mum has a screw loose to put her child through a medical at her age. If she will do that there is no limit to what she will do. Unfortunately at the expense of her child and potentially yours.

What happens if you went on a day out all together and her child is sat by yours in the car and alleges something (obviously with mums coaching).

To me there's just too much risk and for me I'd want my children a million miles away from the dangerous mother, as awful as it sounds the daughter most likely will end up the same way as her mum.

Poor child. Poor dad too.

steppemum · 14/11/2020 13:12

Oh OP, your Dp sounds lovely and it is am impossible situation.

But I think what is really happening is that your DP is being forced to make a choice between his own child and you and your family.

Really a Sophies choice situation isn't it?

Your option are:

  1. leave
  2. continue, but never allow his dd to meet your dc. Realy, you would need to be 100% consistent in this as you must protect your dc from further allegations.
  3. Continue as you are and hope that she backs down, or that SS realise she is crazy etc, which is one hell of a risk, and hinectly not one I would be prepared to take for my dc.

All awful choices.
sending you hugs. I'm so sorry, what a mess

Zuzu5 · 16/11/2020 00:52

This is heartbreaking, I feel for you OP. My DP is a lovely father and partner but his ex is toxic and constantly throwing false allegations, even if that means hurting her own beautiful child, so I understand somewhat what you're going through. I think your partner needs to consider that if the mother has coerced their child to lie about being sexually abused by your child, then how long until she does the same claiming it was your partner?? When she's 8? 12? A child that age won't accidentally get the story they've been told wrong. Even if proven innocent the allegation would stay on your partners record and he will not pass a DBS check ie cant work as a teacher anymore. Not to mention how much it will traumatise the child. IMO your partner needs to consider applying to court for residency or walk away from his child. I do not say that lightly. I understand it's "unthinkable", but like some PP have said, sometimes its the only option for some fathers. If his ex is wiling to allow her 4 yo go through medical examination knowing its false then she is sick and she will never stop. You may walk away but unless he does then its only a matter of time until she says it was ur partner. He may be arrested pending investigation and lose everything. The authorities will do nothing, cafcass and SS are useless and tend to side with the abusive and harmful parent as theyre often great manipulators

Ickle37 · 18/11/2020 00:48

I would step back.
He needs to seek custody of this child and get her away from this mother. Get help for mother.
I suspect money is involved? And Mum has none but he does?
This woman and child do not have a bright future. Can your partner remedy this? Then focus on you.
You sound like a lovely mummy to lovely kids who you care for. Do you need this?

Ickle37 · 18/11/2020 00:51

Sorry- posted before i read the other stuff. Nightmare babes. Hugs xx

justilou1 · 18/11/2020 01:11

I have serious concerns about this woman... I would go so far as to suspect that she may have this: (which used to be known as Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy) in which case, this little girl is probably in serious physical and psychological danger.
my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9834-factitious-disorder-imposed-on-another-fdia

IndieTara · 18/11/2020 02:47

I was thinking Munchausens too

LRHRN · 18/11/2020 15:17

Absolutely shocking that a mother would put their child through this, I could actually cry.
I feel so sorry for you and your family.
What has your DH said about all of this? What are his thoughts? And your poor children? Do they understand the seriousness of what's going off?
I wouldn't even know what to suggest, some mothers unfortunately just want a child and have a cash cow not have a father involved.
I know personally as this has happened with my DH, no contact allowed and child has been brainwashed into hating us but still wants more and more money every week.
It's unbelievable

Elvesinquarantine · 18/11/2020 15:23

I think making a counter allegation is the only want forward...

JoeNotExotic · 18/11/2020 15:46

Oh my gosh OP, you must be beside yourself with worry. How awful for you and how horrific of that woman to do such a thing.

My DP once told me that he suspected that his one of his exes kids can been molested by her brother. The younger kids started bed wetting and were really scared of the older brother. The ex had confided in him she suspected foul play. I don’t think anything ever came of it but you have to be so careful throwing those kinds of accusations about because you just don’t know what the repercussions could be.

Sending you a handhold.

Flowerpot345 · 18/11/2020 17:43

This is awful OP, I seriously think your DP needs to try and get custody of his daughter, it sounds like she's being abused by her mother.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 18/11/2020 21:37

So there is something of an outcome from social services. A strategy meeting took place today for DP's daughter. The social worker who visited me was involved in the meeting. DP was informed that the strategy meeting was solely around the mothers behaviour. They have absolutely no concerns for DP's care. They don't care about the allegation regarding my children (if anything happened, they would still have no concerns due to the age of the children). They sounded like they didn't believe any of the allegations are true (mother now alleging DP is emotionally abusing the child and telling her not to hug grandparents etc). They asked questions of DP regarding any of his knowledge of the mothers past (childhood, how her parents were etc). They said they will be working with her on her anxiety as they believe the issues are due to wanting control because of her anxieties. I think they hit the nail on the head. DP didn't have to lead a horse to water. She did it all by herself.

DP now will go to court for an enforcement with social services backing. Unfortunately it means their first Christmas together has been taken from them. It will likely be January before it is heard. The mother knew this when she started on this path.

I wonder if she is now regretting her decisions, as it does seem to have backfired.

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Elvesinquarantine · 18/11/2020 22:22

Hopefully her mh issues will be raised. Parental alienation is a crime. So should wasting ss time and resources..

justilou1 · 19/11/2020 02:40

I also think you should mention the MH condition I brought up above. Subjecting your child to unnecessary (intrusive) medical treatments and examinations (*especially of a sexual/gynaecological nature) is very physically and emotionally scarring!). I went through this as a kid, and it wasn’t something that was recognized as a psychological problem then. (My mum had other issues - this was just one of them, but this is one of the areas where SS could have been flagged and help could have been sought.)

GeorgiaGirl52 · 19/11/2020 02:56

Another scenario:
If you were a married couple and SS had completed investigation and found nothing, then the mother would have no say in the child coming to your household.
The child's father could then file for custody on the basis of baseless accusations or parental alienation or mental health issues of the mother or all three.

PullTheBricksDown · 19/11/2020 08:42

Ok, in his position I would be saying to social services that I wanted full residence or as near to it as I could get.

LatentPhase · 19/11/2020 10:21

Wow, surprising insight from professionals. I guess because the allegations are so close together.

Great that there is some validation. Am happy for you. A long way to go, though. And might be good (and in the interests of your relationship longterm) to step back while this all plays out.

LyingDogsLie1 · 19/11/2020 13:40

I hope social services consider giving your OH full custody. I don’t think how damaging this will have been for your DSD should be underestimated.

LRHRN · 30/11/2020 14:34

Did anything get resolved?

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