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Tiresome ex-wife

145 replies

otto · 15/10/2004 11:56

I was wondering if any of you knew of any step-parent support groups in the South London area. My problems are not actual with the SD, but with DP's ex and there are a number of things I need to get off my chest before I go mad. Having to cope with my 7month ds who has a sleep problem, go to work and deal with SD in a house which is much to small for all of us, while ex wife lives in large house, doesn't go to work, owes us money and is now dumping SD on us over half-term while she goes away on holiday as she is 'exhausted' and really needs a break. This means DP has to take week off, which means no pay as he is self-employed. And so it goes. I could go on an on, but thought it might be a better idea if I could find out if there is any help available to people in my situation.

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jampot · 17/10/2004 15:01

i can see things from all ways round but to be perfectly honest i;m not sure i would want to split my kids' xmas day (which probably a lot of preparation has gone on beforehand singlehandedly) and miss the magical "waking up" or having to leave them later on. this is just my opinion and really dont want to offend anyone but if dh and i split up i (as primary carer) would want to see my kids on xmas day - sorry

cuppy · 17/10/2004 15:03

I ahev tried to expalin to him that the children shouldnt lose out because of her behaviour but i think he'sa t the tend of his tether.

As for solicitors - he doesnt think it will get him anywhere.He saw his stepdad trying to get access to his children, the ex would never be in and then itd go back to court and she'd say yes i was etc etc and it just goes on.

I can understand his frustration as he is sick of having to ask to see his kids. But its not their fault they split up is it?

cuppy · 17/10/2004 15:06

Jampot of course I can understand you point of view. Especially since becoming a mum too I understand alot more . And I understand that you would want your kids all xmas day and so that is how she feels. So she should be able to understand how my dh feels. He loves them just as much and its horrible for him not to see them on xmas day too.

pixiefish · 17/10/2004 15:07

Agree jampot- my friend split with her h a year after they'd moved to USA. he had her forced out of the country and she came back here with 3 kids and all she could carry in bags that she had to bring with her- anyway that's a different story.
He insists on having the kids Xmas day alternate years as it's the only time of year he sees them- I personally think this is horrid for her but she does it and spends her Xmas on her own- she lives 100 miles away from me and won't come to me as she has kids back xmas night. I think she's very brave and very kind doing this as it must be horrid for her to have her kids with her x and his new wife (the reason for the split)

jampot · 17/10/2004 15:09

i know cuppy - i really thought hard about posting as didn't want to cause offence. my sister and her dh have issues with dh's son's mum. she has played up since the child was 2 and organised activities to coincide with his dad's time etc. I can see if from yours and your dh's point as well though - can you have an early xmas maybe for the few days before climaxing on xmas eve before they go home?

cuppy · 17/10/2004 15:10

Pixiefish - I think your friend is a wonderful mother. It must be very hard for her - but she does it for her children. She is as you say very brave.

cuppy · 17/10/2004 15:13

No offence taken jampot - I know this is such a hard subject and I can see it from both sides - if dh and I split I would hate not to see dd on xmas.
WE could have an ealry xmas yes - last year we had them on 23rd till lunch time 24th - she wanted them back for eve. But dh reasoning is why cant it be 50 50 . The kids did say they wanted to see us and dh parents - their gp would love to see them too.

essbee · 17/10/2004 15:14

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jampot · 17/10/2004 15:16

ooh this is so hard. Do you live very far from them? BIL sees his son on boxing day each year from 10am-9pm - they live about 25 miles from ex. Child is 11

essbee · 17/10/2004 15:17

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jampot · 17/10/2004 15:17

or why not have them for several days on the run to up xmas say from the Monday through to Friday?

jampot · 17/10/2004 15:32

do you see them over new year cuppy? if she insists on xmas day can't you insist on new year?

aloha · 17/10/2004 15:54

We do alternate Christmasses - my stepdaughter is with us this year, and home for new year, and next year it will be vice versa. A little different perhaps because both parents are remarried with more kids so nobody's left alone sobbing into a turkey dinner for one, which I think would be dreadfully upsetting, and I can understand the reluctance. I am also a little dubious about actually splitting Christmas day. I think a jolly phone call on Christmas morning and then having your own second Christmas either before or after works well for us.
BTW I know and get on well with all of my stepdaughter's family (have been to family parties etc) EXCEPT the ex! I also know my dh inside out, and even in her absolutely wicked statements to the court which were full of things I knew to be lies (ie dh never helps his daughter with her homework), she never once said that dh was violent (the idea makes me laugh tbh) or an unkind father...just that he didn't earn enough money!

aloha · 17/10/2004 15:55

I am REALLY looking forward to doing two christmas stockings this year and watching them open their presents together!!

jojo38 · 17/10/2004 19:07

I don't know if I can do alternate christmases. I still have a lot to get over with my ex. He didn't want them when he was "with" my best friend... I'm sorry. I'm being selfish. I have tried but at the moment I just can't. I am the one sorting out visiting days, holidays etc for the children to be with him and he's the one putting the kybosh on it all, messing them about, lying to them etc... It still gets to me. I'm not one for stopping them seeing their father, on the contrary. He's the one that "can't do that one, can't do that date, can it be such and such..." He has always controlled me, and he still thinks he can so I am afraid, and I mean afraid, that he is still pssin me about because he wants a reaction from me. He gets the reaction of - tough ttties.
My christmas is family, those that didn't desertt he sinkin ship... eventually they will be spending christmas with thier father, but until then, I intend making the most of it with them. They do go before and after christmas day, at father's request... but I just can't see things working out for them, (especially youngest ds) if they were away for xmas day... sorry ladies. Hope you don't think bad of me... please. 'tis a long sad story...

jojo38 · 17/10/2004 19:10

btw, we never get sd and ss on christmas day... ever. I feel for my own ex, when I see how sad dh looks when christmas day comes... no skids... but on the bright side, dh isn't ex... thank goodness. We have a great time the week before and some time over the new year holidays. We just make the most of what we can get... and it makes it special for eveyone then.
{{hugs}}

SofiaAmes · 18/10/2004 01:29

No we never got dh's children on christmas day or even close. So last year we decided to spend christmas in the usa with my family. Guess what dh's ex decided once she'd realized that we'd booked tickets to be away....She said he was being selfish choosing to be away from his children at christmas and that he had to have them on christmas that year. Needless to say we didn't change our plans as that would have never happened.

ggglimpopo · 18/10/2004 08:42

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pixiefish · 18/10/2004 09:01

How horrid ggglimpo- those little tiddlywinks- he doesn't know what he's missing

pixiefish · 18/10/2004 09:02

ggglimpopo I mean- sorry

sleeplessmumof2 · 18/10/2004 10:37

doesnt christmas always bring out all the S*, oh i had forgotten all this and now i know that its time to face up to the annual anger, grief, upset, resentment etc etc. Every year for 7 years we have had christmas day twice (am i mad!!!) yes a whole nother xmas dinner on boxing day for my dps kids but last year i put my foot down and said no more. I realised i was exhausting myself and that actually it was so over the top for our ds(4) that we decide that as my skids were old enough to choose for themselves.

No big suprise they both tried to sit on the fence and agreed to take it in turns and come to us next year. That this year now and i can lay odd that they will back off because 'mum' will lay the guilt trip on them!!!

But guess what we always have them on New Years Eve so that she can go out and have a good time with her mates!!! Shame she's still billy no mates on xmas day!!!

Hope this makes someone out there with similar feelings laugh at least, it helps me to vent it here!!!!

By the way, your dp should not stop seeing them under any circumstances IMO.

otto · 18/10/2004 13:44

Hi. I seemed to have opened a can of worms here. Thanks for supportive messages.

The only advice I can give re the Christmas issue is the same as given by aloha. This is exactly what we do - alternate Christmas and New Year and it does seem to work. The ex spends always spends Christmas with her large family, so is not alone. It means that we all know where we stand and don't have to face tricky negotions. It's always worth considering mediation to help work these things through. I think there is a cost involved, but nothing on the scale of going to court and it helps to have an impartial third party to keep the peace.

Responding to an earlier message from aloha re holidays. We do try and sort the holidays out in advance , but ex is not one for forward planning. It would make so much more sense if she did go away when we had sd - almost four weeks over the summer this year. Maybe she did, but now feels the need to go away again. We have tried different approaches and this summer worked much better than usual, but that was partly because I was at home so didn't need to arrange to take time off. It is frustrating, but the ex will never change as it's not in her nature to be organised.
Cuppy - I know exactly how you feel. We always have to fit in with what the ex wants and it's often last minute. We used to have a really annoying situation where she wanted us to have sd every friday night, saturday and saturday night and then drop her back on Sunday. We put up with this for three years, but it was always really disruptive as it always felt as if sd was visiting and not really part of our home. It also meant that we could never go away at weekends . If we asked the ex to have sd on a Saturday she would accuse dp of not wanting to see his daughter, yet if we asked her if we could have her for a whole weekend she made a fuss about that too. We now do alternate weekends which is much, much better for everybody and sd always knows where she is going to be. The ex does still try and change things and get us to have her on her Saturdays from time to time, but I always suggest that we have her for the entire weekend and swap the weekends around.

Reading all of your messages makes me realise that we have a reasonably good set-up as we don't have much problem with sd. There have been real problems in the past and I know how awful that can be, but things are pretty good these days. We never let her know what we feel about her mother, but she does know that there is a big difference in the way we run our lives. The ex will always be there and will always annoy us, but I think it's all just exacerbated by the fact that I haven't had more than a four-hour stretch of sleep in 7 months.

Good luck to you all with your Christmas problems. I hope some of them get resolved. It's our first Christmas with ds and we will have sd too, so will be very exciting. I can't imagine what it must be like not having your child around over Christmas.

I'm hoping ds will be sleeping by then. We are going to sleep clinic, which is what prompted me to post on Friday, as they asked if I had any problems! I didn't really want to go into it with them, but realised that I had a lot of resentment building up and needed to vent it.

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jampot · 18/10/2004 14:14

just a question for any stepmums - would you honestly allow ex wife to be alone on xmas day for the sake of the kids spending xmas day with dad?

and how would you feel if the shoe were on the other foot and it was your child/ren who went away on xmas eve to spend it with their dad and stepmom?

I am genuinely interested as I would be so upset

SofiaAmes · 18/10/2004 14:51

jampot, for me the answer is yes. Why is it ok for dh to spend christmas "alone" and it's not ok for his ex to do so? The reality is that neither of them would actually spend christmas alone. In addition to spending Chrismas with dh's 2 children, his ex spends it with her other 4 children, her parents and her current boyfriend at the time (in the 6 years I have known her she is yet to be without a boyfriend for more than a week). And Dh spends Christmas with me, our 2 children and lately with my parents as well.
What it comes down to is dh and his ex both wanting to spend Christmas with their children. I see absolutely no reason why either parent should be more entitled to that pleasure than the other.

spacemonkey · 18/10/2004 14:54

My ex and I alternate xmas and new year. I don't enjoy my childless christmasses as much I have to admit, but why should their dad be deprived of the pleasure of spending christmas with them?!