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Court with my fiances ex :(

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roxyk0303 · 16/07/2019 21:37

Hi
I found this site whilst googling and hope someone can help Sad

My fiancé and his ex are currently going through court about access arrangements for his 2 daughters. He has put in an application for shared care (full 50/50). We currently only have them 1 night a week. He sees them on a Monday for tea (takes them to his mums) then on a Thursday and Friday he works 6am-2pm so he picks them up from school those days. On a Thursday he drops them home at 8.30/9pm and then they sleep over on a Friday, returning home at 3pm Saturday. He now wants them with us Monday, Thursday and Friday over night every week, with a Saturday overnight added every second week. I want to support him but in reality its not practical at all!

We live a 30minute drive from them and their school, its longer with traffic. I don’t drive and I have my own daughter (12yrs) to get to school in the morning before I go to work.

Im completely torn and cant help feeling he is doing this for all the wrong reasons!

His daughters are 11yrs and 9yrs old. He and his ex split up almost 4 years ago now, she left him and he thinks she was cheating (she had a new man and was pregnant within 3 months). They had been separated for 8 months when I met him. He was left paying a lot of debt when she left. A personal loan for £15,000 that they got to renovate their house, and a car loan of around the same. He lost his house after she left him as he couldn’t keep up with the mortgage so he got no money from that and he stupidly put both the loans in his own name when they were together so he had no come back on those. She took the car with her when she left, then denied having it when he tried to transfer that loan to her. He couldn’t prove the car was hers and the kids told him she didn’t have it any more but he never found out where it went. He is still paying these loans now.

Because he was paying the loans, he wasn’t paying her any maintenance. She seems to think he has access to an endless pot of money. She wasn’t happy not getting maintenance and went to the CMS. They awarded her 16% of his gross wages a month. He changed jobs at the end of last year. The CMS recently did a review and his ex has been awarded an extra £130 per month. He is absolutely furious about this and this is what has spurred him to go to court for 50/50

We are not rolling in money by any means. He pays out a small fortune each month on those loans, due to defaults when he was signed of work ill, they now come to over £600. and when you add in the maintenance, our rent and other bills and just day to day living expenses, there isn’t a lot left at all at the end of the month. We cant afford to pay her any more money. We simply don’t have it. CMS don’t care about outgoings, they just take what they want from the top amount

The relationship between my fiancé and his ex has always been extremely fragile, it completely broke down when he reported her to social services (before I met him) for neglect. They found no concerns (I don’t believe there ever would be, the girls have the life of riley there) and his complaint was marked as malicious. He has admitted to me that he was trying get the girls removed from her care to hurt her. The girls were told what he had done and refused to see him for months. When I met him he was trying to re-establish contact and they were battling access out through their lawyers. They reached the current agreement and that has been in place since (no court order).

The girls live with their mum, her boyfriend that she left my partner for and their son. They also have an Auntie that is very (overly so, I feel) involved in their lives. Auntie has a daughter the same age as mine (12yrs) who also spends a very minimal amount of time with her own father. The girls spend a huge amount of time at their Aunties (their
houses are walking distance apart). They refer to their cousin as their sister and will correct you if you if you say shes their cousin. Auntie is loaded. She seems to have endless amounts of cash to spare. She is very glamorous, gorgeous, has a fast car and is just oh so cool. She is all about big hair, make up, designer sunnies and ripped jeans. Both of the girls worship the ground she walks on. They sleep over there several times a week, even on school nights. She takes them on holidays and constant weekends away, usually meaning my fiancé misses his Friday contact. When my fiancé put his foot down one weekend and said they couldn’t go and had to come to ours, they were a nightmare the full weekend, then we didn’t see them for nearly 3 weeks because they were mad with him!

There are also a lot of things we don’t agree with regarding how they are being brought up, but whenever we try to put our parenting views across, or enforce our rules, they just stop coming. They are “ill” or have “a birthday party” or are at Aunties house instead. The youngest especially blows off a lot of time with dad in favour of Auntie and regularly starts sentences “When im bigger and live with (Auntie)…….”

That was the reason my fiancé actually started court proceeding in the first place. He was initially just trying to get a court order put in place for his current (already agreed for almost 3 years) contact so that he has some clout over his time with his children and could try and make them come when they are supposed to. He is seen as so unimportant and they pick and choose when to come and spend time here.

They say that its boring here and we never take them anywhere. This is true, but its because we have no money left after paying their mums debts and the maintenance. We cant afford days out and trips to the cinema and I feel like when we do give them things or take them places, they don’t appreciate it because its not as good or exciting as what they get from mum and Auntie

He had already applied for that and it was in the process of going though when the maintenance review happened and their mum got awarded the extra money. He then changed his application to complete 50/50 care, meaning there should be no maintenance paid at all. I completely see where he is coming from. We simply cannot afford to pay out more money every month (his mum is paying his lawyer as we are so broke Sad ) but if he gets the 50/50, then the practical logistics of getting his girls to school from here in the morning are not possible. Especially on the Friday morning when my fiancé starts work at 6am. He is talking about having his mum come over and pick them up (she lives close to the girls mum, so she would be driving here to pick them up and drop them at school on a Tuesday and a Friday morning) but she doesn’t keep well at all and is currently under investigation for some sort of heart problem, they were talking about a bypass, so I really don’t think its fair to put that on her. She doesn’t like driving at the best of times, never mind an hours round trip in morning rush hour.

He was at court today and the judge has ordered that the girls have to be asked what they want, so there is someone from the court being sent out to talk to them at their mums, about their wishes. The girls have already said they don’t want anymore over nights, and the judge basically said today that what my fiancé was proposing was too much and would be quite disruptive to the girls, so I really don’t think it will go to full 50/50 shared care but that doesn’t help our financial situation. They are back in court in early October

On one hand, 50/50 care would help our finances (ie get rid of the maintenance payment, or at least greatly reduce it) and free up some cash, but practically it would be a nightmare. Its also not what the girls want

But on the other hand, if access stays as it is just now, we are completely screwed from a financial point of view. His mum is already paying his lawyer and my mum has already helped us out. This was the first month with the higher maintenance payment. We don’t get paid till the 27th July and we have £85 left in the bank. My fiancé needs diesel and we need to do a food shop. That £85 should be £215 and we would normally get by, but I don’t know what we are going to do this month

I also don’t see why we should be paying all that money to their mum when the girls seem to spend the majority of the time with their Auntie Sad

I just really don’t know what to do Sad

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 17/07/2019 08:49

Nasty man
Why are you letting yourself be caught up in this?
No sympathy for him

Admitted malicious reporting
No wonder they are ambivalent abput seeing him

MaudebeGonne · 17/07/2019 09:00

All this focus on your partner and his children, and no mention of your own child and how all of this impacts her. It sounds like your entire relationship has been taken up with supporting him and his needs. I hope you and your girl get chance to enjoy life. Because it would be very unfair on her if she was missing out on opportunities and fun because of the mess your boyfriend is in.

Tulio123 · 17/07/2019 09:05

All I keep hearing in your replies OP, is that your current set-up is his ex's fault. The car issue is irrelevant, as you say it was a personal loan that has probably been misspent.
You're now complaining about the children missing days off school for activities, but your partner didn't go to work and had their home repossessed because he was depressed? His insurance or mortgage restructuring could have covered the time off for his blood-clot.
Neither of you sound like you are interested in his kids, as you've said he should not have to pay maintenance if they have a supportive family giving them treats.
He sounds like an incompetent and irresponsible chancer. You know he doesn't really care about your child either don't you?
Stop trying to rescue him, it is pathetic and you are paying the price and so is your daughter.

howdyalikemenow · 17/07/2019 09:08

Involved the kids in their problems by telling them about the report to social services.

Why shouldn't she? Why should she have to pretend he's a good guy when he's actually tried to shaft her?

I generally believe we shouldn't slate our exes to the kids but sometimes the truth is necessary. I found it almost impossible to even look at my ex husband after he did this to me. My children would've been totally confused if they didn't know the reason why there was so much tension. I didn't dramatise it and I said I'm sure he had his reasons but yes I told them in as clear and unemotional way as I could that this was the reason why I was struggling to communicate with him as a result. Why are women always expected to suck up shitty behaviour?

feathermucker · 17/07/2019 09:15

It is obvious from the original post that his prime motivation for applying for 50/50 was financial.

CanILeavenowplease · 17/07/2019 09:16

Why are women always expected to suck up shitty behaviour?

Indeed. If he didn’t want the ex bad-mouthing his actions to his children, how about he just doesn’t do whatever it is in the first place? Emphasis really does need to be placed on taking responsibility for our own actions rather than expecting others to manage the fallout so the shit falls anywhere but on ourselves.

It’s

WhatTheAbsoluteFuck · 17/07/2019 09:18

I’d be very surprised if he got 50/50 the way he wants it, in random chunks and not on consecutive days.

He’s only gone for 50/50 due to CMS? Fucking despicable.

WhatTheAbsoluteFuck · 17/07/2019 09:24

Erm, he reported his ex to SS, of course the DC should bloody well know that it was their father who put them through that!

IAmcuriousyellow · 17/07/2019 09:28

This man and his family are going to be s real burden to you. He wants his poor mother to sort out his stupid “arrangements’? And you are going without in order to prop up his selfish decision making? My advice is leave him to it. Be his girlfriend if you like, if he’s that irresistible, but don’t expect him to look after you and your own daughter. And bear in mind that this is how he will treat you if you fall out and split up. Leave him to it. He can lie in the bed he made. Hopefully he will grow up soon.

lyralalala · 17/07/2019 09:32

I’d put money on the fact that he’ll now play the hard done by card because his ex has poisoned his daughters against him/his daughters rejected him/the court prefer mothers etc to treat his ex and daughters even worse than before

Dippypippy1980 · 17/07/2019 09:35

I used to have 50-50 custody, but I got my ex o agree to me having my daughter the majority of the time because I was concerned about her.

I didn’t push the child support issue because he is greedy, like your boyfriend. I knew if I told him he had to start paying child support he wouldn’t agree to altering our arrangement.

My ex turned out to be a bit of a crap parent. So is your boyfriend. No one should try to change custody arrangements just because of money. It’s clear living with you half the time is not in the girls best interests and would be a logistical nightmare.

You are very negative about these children, but their dad totally betrayed them. Don’t you see that? He is malicious and petty.

HeckyPeck · 17/07/2019 09:40

Erm, he reported his ex to SS, of course the DC should bloody well know that it was their father who put them through that!

Presumably he should also tell them that their mother had an affair and was the cause of their life being turned upside down and the trauma that would have involved then?

And that their mum is a liar and said the loan payments (for her car which she wouldn’t give back) would be instead of maintenance but then went to CSA anyway and that’s why he can’t afford to take them places?

I’m glad my parents weren’t so bitter as to involve me in their disagreements! It’s completely unfair to the children.

Littleblurry · 17/07/2019 09:40

What are his good points? Why do you want to marry him?

My DH is an excellent dad to DSS and puts any personal feelings against his ex aside to make sure they co-parent brilliantly. There is no way on this earth I would have married him otherwise. Please get yourself and your daughter away from this man. You are worth more.

Dippypippy1980 · 17/07/2019 09:41

Two teenage girls, 50 per cent of he time is also expensive. You Luke have to feed them, but half their clothes, school activities, pocket money, sports equipment, after school stuff etc.

They would need fully equip bedrooms at your house. Space to do school work etc. I don’t think it would be cheaper for your ex - I think it would be more expensive.

Or will they live under the stairs Harry Potter style

CanILeavenowplease · 17/07/2019 09:46

You Luke have to feed them, but half their clothes, school activities, pocket money, sports equipment, after school stuff etc

The thing is, it doesn’t necessarily work like that. It is very easy to just feed and not do anything else. Ask the girls to bring their uniforms and clothes with them. Refuse to pay for activities so mum continues to do it. Refuse to pay for school trips. Leave mum to buy shoes and arrange haircuts. Return kids to mum at 6am so she has to deal with illness. 50/50 need cost no more than food alone.

stucknoue · 17/07/2019 09:47

The outstanding loans should have been part of the original settlement, mediation could have solved this issue as to what is fair. His kids need to be prioritised, and their wishes are paramount

Dippypippy1980 · 17/07/2019 09:53

Canleave

You are right - tHats what my ex did - although he dealt with illness and took her on trips etc.

My daughter was tiny and she noticed, it was 50-50 but I was primary care giver. These girls will notice and they will hate their dad even more.

It’s not sustainable. And there will be one child in the house who is treated much better than these sisters.

I hope the application for 50-50 fails.this man in a selfish arse.

sashh · 17/07/2019 11:08

He was signed off work with a blood clot and then depression, he had no money coming is except ssp and couldn't (or didn't) pay the mortgage.

Didn't he have any insurance with the mortgage?

His children are living breathing human beings. They are also almost teens, of course they want to go on holiday with auntie fun.

He needs to talk to his creditors and sort out the finances. Don't start with the exciting payments, start with how much he earns and the priority bills (including maintenance) what's left you then decide how much you can afford. write to the loan companies, tell them he is in financial difficulty and offer X amount per month.

The companies will probably accept that amount, if they took him to court that is what the court would do.

Priority bills are

maintenance
journeys to/from work
council tax
rent/mortgage
gas, electricity and water

stuffedpeppers · 17/07/2019 11:31

Reporting anyone has long lasting implications and unless done for the childs safety is vindictive and vile.

The now ex OW reported me to SS, HMRC, DWP , Immigration and for benefits fraud when she and EX first up sticked. Coupled with no maintenance and 7 ONs in the first year - life sucked for my DCS mainly but also me.

6 yrs on from this - the SS, HMRC, DWP and Immigration report are still brought up and still cause me issues on a monthly basis.
Your so called man is a twunt of the first order.

Bookworm4 · 17/07/2019 12:02

Why waste money on a court case when the kids aren’t interested in coming? He seems very spiteful and petty, applying for 50/50 when he’ll be reliant on you and his mother for child care. I’m assuming it’s your house you live in? I’d put your foot down and say no way will you be part of this.

Beechview · 17/07/2019 12:48

If the kids say going out for a walk or picnic is boring, what do you all end up doing?

Lots of kids of that age say things are boring. They’d rather sit and play on their phones but if you don’t give them a choice, then they’ll just have to go along with an activity and often, they do end up enjoying it, especially if their parents get involved in a game of something.
He needs to really prioritise his relationships with his dcs. Do what’s best for them and actually spend time with them doing things. Just being in the same house on a day or two a week isn’t enough.

SandyY2K · 17/07/2019 12:50

Can I just say that you've been very honest in your opening post.

You are well balanced and don't come across as angry at the Ex, despite the financial situation.

I really couldn't trust a man who filed a malicious report to SS. He gave no consideration for his DDs in all this and doesn't have their interests st heart.

I would be angry if my dad had done that. He's lucky they have a relationship with him of any kind.

Does he know his daughters? I mean their personalities, their likes and dislikes? How they get on at school?

Instead his focus is financial, when he should be building a worthwhile relationship with them.

I think someone with such vengence, will have done other bad things in the relationship. That vengence doesn't come from nowhere.

Regarding the loans...he should get in touch with them and advise that he is unable to meet the payment amounts... and he should reduce it.

I'm going to private message you with a form of words to use for the loan companies. There are also circumstances in which they can freeze the interest.

Due to the way ppl have ended up suicidal and suffering from mental health issues as a result of debt, they have to take a different approach. I'm assuming they are reputable companies, not a loan sharks, who will come round and smash his kneecaps.

He needs to have more money to do things with the girls. The debt will be there.

user1471449295 · 17/07/2019 13:02

You need to stop believing everything he tells you for a start.
What’s really getting my back up is the way he seems to think he can force his children to do what he wants. If they don’t want to come over - they don’t want to come over. Simple. He is going to lose this one. His own kids aren’t that bothered if they see him. Who does he think he is? he’s sneaky, self centred and mean. Remember all of this before you get married and have kids.

Oh - and if he did have the kids 50:50 - how exactly does that help your financial situation again? You will have increased bills, fuel, food, have to set up rooms, clothes etc. He sounds quite thick actually

Scorpiovenus · 17/07/2019 13:50

I would suggest personally reconsider the relationship.

out of all the relationships I had in my time this is just too much

Just reading that made me nervous/stressed. You really don't want him to have 50 50 and is it worth being skint through life because of a man and his past?

I don't know how old you are but you only get one chance at life and I feel you may be wasting it on him. And will severely regret it.

twattymctwatterson · 17/07/2019 14:01

It never ceases to amaze me what horrendous behaviour women will defend in men because they're not doing it to them.

He's not just using his kids to abuse his ex. He's abusing them too. He's tried to have them removed from their mother's care, he's now trying to take them from their home 50% of the time, although it's not practical and they don't want it.

You KNOW he's just doing this for the money. It's right there in your op. You won't take this on board right now but some day he'll be behaving horrendously towards you while telling a new partner it's all your fault. Think hard about the sum of what you know about this man

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