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LONG first post - very worried i'm going to kill a 20 year marriage soon

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OlderTaz87 · 17/08/2017 16:01

It's my first post on here and i apologise for just how worked up i am for this. I'm posting because i need some serious advice from neutral people ahead of having a major discussion with my Husband tomorrow night regarding my 'adult' SD.

I walked into a relationship with my OH with full knowledge of his domestic set up at that point. I accepted he came as a package with a 4 year old child and thought i had my eyes wide open. I knew and accepted that i would be having my SD every weekend and the majority of holidays too. I loved and adored my OH and i came to love and adore my SD too. I truly mean that too. When at age 10 her domestic situation changed (i had just given birth to our first child together) and i was asked literally on the spot to have her move in permanently with us i was so keen to help my Husband that i readily agreed. I had, after all, spent 6 years at this point in a happy and healthy relationship with her.

Over the years we had one major blip when she was 17/18, it was quite a blip and affected us both deeply but somehow we got past it.By the time she left for Uni we were as we'd always been, completely close as anything. (her bio mum has been nothing short of horrible to her over the years so i've always 'stepped up' and been more).

However, my current issue began after Uni. At first she said she wasn't moving home as had met someone and they were moving onwards together (he was nice, they were happy, i thought they were too young etc... but she was adamant). Still, i got the loft converted so we could move one of our 'now 2 children together' into a bigger room and still allow her to be able to move home after if need be. So far so good. Invariably, her plans didn't go her way post uni and the boyfriend insisted they spend 6 months to a year getting more funds together and then move in properly. She returned home rather unhappily in this regard but with this being the plan. Unfortunately this is where it goes a little wrong on all of us as we failed (i now see) to discuss what the plan was, what would happen, lay down any rules, structure anything at all. Thus, i spent a first miserable year post uni with her living out her relationship under my roof and rather painfully so. She became surly, rude, sharp with her siblings, came and went as she pretty much pleased, got a great job but offered no upkeep at all, lived in a pigsty, destroyed the shower room she came to see as utterly hers (as we have more than one bathroom lucky for us) and just generally sent our lives into a year of miserable chaos. To the outside world and OH's family she was still the great girl she'd always been, no complaints there and i'm not prone to going moaning to them either as not their problem. However, it DID start to erode the relationship between me and OH very gradually. During that first year i lost my second Brother to cancer and i was at a real all time low but trying to work, run things, love my children, deal with SD and her other half in the house and the constant rows and tiptoing around things that everyone was doing.

A year into things, no doubt with things festering with me i completely lost it at my OH about her speaking rudely to me and for once he'd actually overheard it too. When i say 'rude' it was always done in quite the clever way... nothing you could fully pinpoint. But it was with disdain almost and i didn't like it. So... I blew. NOT at her i might add as we'd had that once at age 17 and neither of us had quite recovered from that. Instead I just walked away from her and raged at her Dad. So, in turn, he ended up blowing at her. He didn't mean to, he simply said "WHEN you've gone through life a little, lived a little and earned the right to form opinions on everything, you can decide then if you get to be rude to people like your step-mum - until then maybe you could grow up a little". Unfortunately, that statement provoked the most hellish row they've ever had in their lives and my SD said the most terrible things i've ever heard her say to him. I was no longer upset for me but furious for him (he has been an amazing Dad to her, nobody is perfect ... but he's been her everything, and i've come a pretty close 2nd over a long time). So it hurt.

SD tried a few days later in a roundabout way to apologise for some of the things she said 'whilst simultaneously blaming us for making her say them' which didn't bode well with me at all and made me even more angry then i was. I then ended up losing my rag too and said things that really weren't pleasant at all. Quite a few hurtful things got flung in my direction that i wont go into and i reciprocated pretty awfully too much to my horror, but there you go... cant be taken back now.

A few weeks later her boyfriend dumped her and the atmosphere at home became worse.

THAT was a year and a half ago.

Cue today and i'm just NOT living a normal existence at home at all. In fact, i dont feel like i've lived a normal existence in my house now running into a third year. Nothing is 'natural' anymore, nobody ever fully recovered from the huge row. No apologies ever came our way, quite the opposite at the time ("all my friends think YOU are wrong") and there it was..... We come and go in 'polite terms', there are no more rows... but there is no more anything really. We all exist alongside each other but not in an entirely comfortable manner. I DREAD coming home :( i mean REALLY dread... each and every day. I can't seem to get past it no matter how i try or resolve to do so :( I'm still so very very angry at her and cant get past it much to my dismay.

I'm confident she would prefer we WOULD get past it, and i've no doubt she wishes it wasn't this way either, but my resentment has done nothing more than build this last year and a half. We've now had to rip up the shower room as it's now completely disgustingly ruined. I cant bring myself to go near her room as it's so beyond shocking and it's hard to 'parent an adult' in all honesty. I'd be telling my younger ones to 'pick that up' 'bring that plate down' 'clean that sink' etc... but it no longer works this way as it's just plain awkward as she's nearly 24 now. She'll come in at all hours and then stay in bed all day at the weekend, get annoyed if the kids go near her room etc. During the week she still works at her very well paid job, yet still 2 years after getting that job she is yet to offer one penny in contribution (again, we should have covered this from the off, but when you're told someone is going in 6-12 months you tend not to maybe cover everything you should have covered) - but nonetheless i'm still angry that she never even offered.

I feel very very angry of late. I'm arguing non stop with my Husband now over it. I'd say we've pretty much argued over it every week if not every few days this last year - its going to kill the pair of us off. Everyone thinks we have this sold strong relationship (we did) and i'm just unable to discuss this with family or friends for fear of them holding it against her (i dont want them to do that and they would).

My husband wont talk to ANYONE about it at all, and as he cant talk to me without it now escalating into a full on row then that leaves him nobody and i'm actually devastated for HIM that it's this way. I should be the one person to take away his hurt and i'm causing him more by being unable to come back from this. He feels 'stuck' in this whole situation.

I feel she should be making plans by now, that she's an adult, a working adult at that and should no longer be acting like a teenager. She has many many wonderful qualities to her, all the things i have spent many years loving her for and heck raising her with myself. But i'm scared that if she doesn't make a plan to change this soon that it's going to implode at home and we will never return from it. I'll be throwing away 20 years and i'm starting to see no way out :( My 12 year old Daughter has started to ask me at bedtime 'what is wrong mum, is there a problem with you and SD?' and i'm devastated that being the intuitive little thing she is she has picked up on all the little things that clearly aren't normal anymore.

Tomorrow night i have asked my mum to come and babysit the children. I am going to take my OH for a drink and my intention is to explain that this cant continue, we need and deserve some plan of some kind, it's not unreasonable and i want to come back home with him on side and with some plan to go forwards with. I'm scared it's not going to go this way though :( :( :(

I don't want to type the 'am i being unreasonable?' sentence... as no doubt there are major parts of me being unreasonable. What i would really welcome though is some constructive advice to help me through the next stage of this.

Sorry this was so very long.

OP posts:
LouHotel · 20/08/2017 11:44

I think the 6 month deadline is fair but would have started her contributing after one month as well as terms such as cleaning her room and bathroom.

If she wants to live like a child then you treat her like one. I imagine if you install curfew she'll find a flat share much quicker.

OnlyAmy · 20/08/2017 13:12

I think whether she has a concrete plan or not, rent should begin immediately and she should be told it is needed to renovate the bathroom that she destroyed. I always told my kids that they were rent free as long as they were in school, but if they were not registered for classes at the local college, the rent was expected. Both were in classes until the day they left home. If she were acting as a family member, cleaning, eating meals with you, keeping curfew, I could see giving her the slack. She is a bad tenant and her rent is late.

Butterymuffin · 20/08/2017 13:19

She absolutely needs to pay you rent.

reetgood · 20/08/2017 14:42

Re paying you rent, it's actually doing her a favour to get used to putting aside a chunk of money. I think he needs to get his head round that. Is there some guilt on his part?

Loopytiles · 20/08/2017 14:54

I still think couples' counselling (Eg BACP registered counsellor) would help here. There are some big problems to tackle, including communication.

You seem to be afraid to be honest with your H, eg planning your points, pre-warning him. using humour (when the situation is serious). This suggests that his reactions to difficult feedback/situations are a problem.

Also odd that he is so ashamed of earning much less than his DD and wanting to hide this from her, due to ego? Not charging rent and subsidising a higher earner when you as a couple need the money.

It's doing no one any favours to lie and avoid reality.

reetgood · 20/08/2017 17:03

I use some of the strategies described when discussing things with my partner that I know he finds emotionally difficult. His reactions aren't a problem, I just need to give him the best chance of being able to hear the information. For example, I keep budget discussions at 20minutes before breaking because that's about the limit of his tolerance. We've learnt what works for us best and have agreed it. There's obviously layers of significant stuff in the conversation op is having, and it's the same for boyfriend. It's not 'just' about money, or rent, or whatever the sensitive topic is. I think it's ok to honour that whilst not letting it prevent the issue from being discussed.

OlderTaz87 · 21/08/2017 16:21

Thanks all x

The rent thing is definitely not going to be dropped at all. I suppose i feel having stepped back and not said a word or complained this whole time that to come in completely gung-ho on my first real attempt at sorting this might make it all worse in some way. Although once i've started the ball rolling i aim to stay all OVER that ball.

If i really think she accepts a change is afoot, has a plan and timeline acceptable to me and will stick to it then i honestly would be fine without the rent having gone so long now. However, part of the conversation will be the fact that 'without' that plan and timeline rent WILL be starting immediately etc, and probably a figure will be mooted too, just by way of further potential kick up a$$....

Originally my hubbie was going to charge her rent etc just after she got the job. I made a mistake here myself as i was under the impression she was just about to move out. I agreed he should ask her but that we would put it away privately for her for when she then moved etc. Hubbie thought that was daft and not what 'we did' when we were younger, we just paid etc... and then it never got asked at all. Then came the big row with SD and you know the rest....

Hubbie has also said about the curfew himself which i also agree with. If you're not in at a reasonable time then you have to make plans to stay out ahead and let us know too. I hate being woken up in the middle of the night as i just dont get back to sleep again properly. So this will be happening too.

i suppose it seems like very baby steps given everything, but i am honestly breathing better today just knowing the 'plan' chat' is afoot. I might be regretting this though if their chat goes up the wall.

@onlyamy "she is a bad tenant and her rent is late". This sentence put a smile on my face, you are quite right x

i appreciate i might be on the list for idiot of the year (as well as long poster) award quite soon x

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 22/08/2017 13:39

Sounds good but I would get a contract set up the other issue is to me rent and curfews don't mix.

Curfews are for children, if she pays rent she is a lodger and therefore I think harsh to impose a rule (I guess make it a house one) I think you need to be prepared for that one

Remember tax implications as well for the rent it's not just money

MachineBee · 29/08/2017 22:21

At some point you and your DH will be retiring so you need to use this time in your lives to be planning for that. I doubt your DH would want her (or your other children) subsidising your retirement if you ended up on your uppers as he doesn't even want her to know she earns more than him now.

She probably has a good idea of your finances even if you don't think she does. This is just a silly secret to be keeping.

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