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Quick question on baths/showers

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Lilypad34 · 17/07/2012 03:21

We will be having dsd (8) for a full 2 weeks (I will be doing most of the care as dp will be working) starting next week.

I am very hot on hygiene, I have seen dsd arrive at ours unbathed for 3 days. I give her a choice bath or shower, whining will normally follow! Question is, how do I get her to wash daily without all the drama?

Thank you

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theredhen · 19/07/2012 12:54

The truth is we are all perfectly capable of cuddling any child even if they smell, but maybe some of us don't want to cuddle a smelly child.

We all have different standards, there isn't a right or a wrong. What is offensive to one isn't offensive to another.

My DS will go to his Dads and not wash or bath for days, that is my ex's choice but as soon as DS is home, he knows the score with regards to the expectations of hygiene and I don't particularly want a cuddle with him or anyone else who hasn't washed for days.

Kaluki · 19/07/2012 12:55

I wouldn't cuddle anyone who smells!

Didn't you read that bit Seeker.
Your own child wouldn't smell because you make sure they are clean and if they refuse a bath you bloody well make them get in because they are YOUR children.
If you let your stepkids decide not to have a bath and they end up smelling why should you cuddle them.
As stepmums we are damned if make them bath and keep themselves clean and equally damned if we let them stink and then don't want to go near them.
Honestly, if it was up to my sdc they wouldn't bath, wash or clean their teeth for the whole 2 weeks we have them in the summer. DSS would wear the same pooey pants the whole time. Would you want to cuddle them? If so you must have a stronger stomach than me!
This is why I insist that they bath when my dc do, then it is a routine.

seeker · 19/07/2012 12:59

There is a big difference between only showering every 3 days at the age of 8, and never washing your hands or changing your pants at the age of 8. Not sure why the two issues are being treated the same on this thread.

Kaluki · 19/07/2012 13:07

The time between baths is irrelevant.
If the child hasn't bathed for long enough to make them smell - be it 3 days or 3 weeks then they should be made to bath.

I think you are splitting hairs now seeker.
It is up to each individual how often their dc are bathed but all I'm saying is that in my house the dc bath every day. So when dsc are with me that is what they do.

Lookingatclouds · 19/07/2012 13:12

My dsd's shower-refusal stage was when she probably needed a cuddle the most Sad.

Bonsoir, it's really helpful that dd and dsd can access food whenever they want. They are able to make their own lunches and dsd can make her own meals. It's not an issue for us and not something that is abused.

I agree with you Kaluki, I too would expect dd to do as she is asked at her Dad's and I know she would. Boundaries and rules are important, in fact it's something that dsd has said to me recently - that she always knew where she stood with me as I had them. That's not to say that I imposed them rigidly, I worked with what was going on for dsd.

I've reflected on what I said, and it makes perfect sense to me in the context of what is going on at the moment for myself, dd and dsd, but wouldn't necessarily as a stand alone comment on here Smile. I'm currently supporting both girls through massive, sudden changes at their Dad's and have dsd living with me because she isn't currently being encouraged to live at her Dad's. Their worlds have been turned upside down and there are lots of tears and worries Sad.

lottiegb · 19/07/2012 13:38

LteEveDallas 'There was no critisism of her mother, implied or otherwise (and really, do 7 year olds think like that?)'

Some do, I did. I was very loyal to my mother and very sensitive to criticism of her = us = our family. My father and SM were just that, people I saw regularly and happily but who were 'second-degree' family to me. I was very aware of conditions, boundaries and sensitivities between my parents (which they generally managed well) and empathised entirely with my mother, morphing into feeling protective of her, when I was older and didn't always share her feelings but recognised they were very real to her.

So, doing things differently at their house was fine and interesting to a degree but encroaching on anything that was my mother's domain was not. At around seven or eight I refused my Dad's offer of a new pair of shoes (red sandals, which I really wanted and never got), for this reason, because I knew they would have been understood as a criticism of her for allowing me to run around in scruffy-looking shoes.

A comment back to my mother about some un-changed socks during my 'cleanliness rebellion' phase made a strong impression on me (in addition to making me feel bad for showing her up), contributing to my understanding that my relationship with my father was conditional and only operated with parameters of my acting acceptably on his terms (or being seen to do so, thence selectivity and secrecy). Entirely my own interpretation. That held for years.

This is partly because it demonstrated a lack of knowledge and understanding of me, as a child, going through a phase, which I took as lack of interest in understanding me as who I was, so wanting only a 'textbook dd'.

So, I would have taken pressure to bathe every day for fear of smelliness as a criticism of an every other day regime and a suggestion that we were somehow beyond the pale socially. Not great for my self-esteem. Given that I think there is a range of normality and that every other day fits within that, I think insistance, for that reason, would have been unreasonable. (Unlike insistence on brushing teeth and changing pants every day, which I'd see as a universal norm).

Making a big deal out of bath time because it's fun, or even seeing it as indulging a clean-freak SM who wants everything changed and washed constantly, so only very clean bodies touching things, might have been ok. Best would have been just quietly demonstrating their normality and allowing me to fit in, in my own time, while recognising that children go through phases and that hyper-cleanliness would be on its way soon enough.

Just one person's perspective to add flavour (and because this triggered the memory of the socks and the shoes). For info (reassurance?), I get on very well with DF and SM in adulthood. I think it helped a lot that she was only ever enforcing decisions that had clearly been made by both of them.

NotaDisneyMum · 19/07/2012 13:50

seeker the difference between not showering for a couple of days and wearing the same underwear for 2 weeks is a subjective one though, surely?

I know many families for whom clean underwear every day isn't an expectation, and other families who consider it neglect if children aren't bathed and hair washed every day.

It is your values that come into play when you state confidently that one is "not a battle worth having" but the other is.

Standards of hygiene are a personal, subjective issue - as is whether or not a DC smells, what one person may be able to tolerate, another finds overwhelming.

I think it's fair to say that you have considered it to be a criticism of your way of doing things when anyone on this thread has suggested that in their opinion a shower every two or three days is too infrequent Smile

purpleroses · 19/07/2012 14:03

I don't think it really needs to be a big deal. I'm admittedly a bit slack with my DCs who (until my eldest discovered cleanliness recently) would go several days between baths. When they visit their dad they always have a bath - a rule that I'm 100% sure comes from his DW (as my ex would go shockingly long times between washing...)

They say "DSM says we need a bath because we're dirty" but don't seem to be getting all upset about whether she's saying I have low standards or anything. If she thinks my kids are smelly or dirty, I don't have a problem with her asking them to wash - even if I'd let it go myself. And it means I always get nice clean kids returned to me :)

seeker · 19/07/2012 14:26

Nope. I am taking none of this personally. But I think if anyone finds the idea of an 8 year old who hasn't had a bath for two days overwhelmingly smelly may have issues that are nothing to do with the child

exoticfruits · 19/07/2012 15:04

I think that a child easily adapts-when I was young I knew that I had to behave very differently in my great-aunt's house to my aunt's house and one aunt was different to another and they were all different to home. If I went to friends they were different again. I can't see that it a big issue just to run the bath and assume (with body language to match) that they will get in. If you know they are not keen there is no need to do it everyday.
If you don't do that take them out for a long walk and make sure they roll down banks, splosh through puddles etc and then they can see for themselves that they need a bath or shower!!

NotaDisneyMum · 19/07/2012 15:23

But I think if anyone finds the idea of an 8 year old who hasn't had a bath for two days overwhelmingly smelly may have issues that are nothing to do with the child

Yes, you think. Your values, your opinion, your hang-ups. What has been highlighted many times on this thread is that others may not agree with you, and that makes them no less right or wrong than you are.

If the OP considers that her DSD level of hygiene is unacceptable to her, even if it would be acceptable to you, then what makes her wrong and you right?
What the OP asked for is support and ideas to deal with a situation that many of us have faced - different rules/standards/expectations in different homes for our DSC, or indeed, our DC's. I'm facing the same situation as the OP, a DSS who actively resists maintaining the level of hygiene that I consider acceptable in my home, and so was equally interested in the responses.

You have responded by saying that the battle isn't worth fighting, that our standards of hygiene are too high, that we will be criticising their mother unless we do things the same way and saying how badly you have seen it go wrong with others while at the same time having no direct experience of the situation. No practical suggestions, no examples of how your siblings did successfully overcome this problem, no ideas on how you would approach the situation other than to dictate that those of us who don't share your standards have "issues".

I'm loving some of the suggestions here; the LED showerhead immediately appealed to my 11 year old DD, so I'm sure that DSS will be equally enthralled if sold to him in the right way. At least I know that I am not alone, and these battles are being played out in other families - if anyone finds the magic solution, hopefully, they'll share it on MN! Wink

ArcticRain · 19/07/2012 16:07

We have different rules, values and standards in our house compared to the boys mother . We expect more in certain areas (chores, food, homework) and are relaxed in other areas (curfew , alcohol etc). If think arnt done the way we would like them done , the kids and picked up on in . Sometimes it is constant nagging. We use to get 'we don't have to do that at Mums'.

Despite DH and I enforcing these different expectations we have a successful stepfamily.

Lilypad34 · 19/07/2012 20:45

I can't understand why I should let her not bathing slide because to be frank and by her own admission her mother 'can't be arsed' it's not just about hygiene it's about caring and teaching a child who has no boundaries self respect and giving her the boundaries that children need. Left to her own devices she runs wild but by placing gentle and somewhat flexible boundaries she blossoms. She's happy, she feels loved and she's allowed to be a child.

When she is with us, I give her clean underwear daily, she never refuses to put them on because they're clean! I'm told a lot by her how much she loves me that I do things with her mum won't. It makes me sad that this little girl who craves love from her mum is rejected constantly.

I'm not going to let her not wash and then tell her she smells, I would't dream of telling anyone they smell let alone an already sensitive child. The led is a fab idea, She may arrive clean and fresh and not kick off at all!!! Which is what I'm hoping for so we can just get on with having an enjoyable couple of weeks!

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seeker · 19/07/2012 22:16

I just think differently to you, notadisneymum. No big deal. My experience points me in one direction. And that is of minimum confrontation and maximum flexibility. Yours points you in the direction of strict rules and boundaries. you think "my house,my rules" I think "My house- let's compromise on rules that are the least worst for everyone"

Kaluki · 19/07/2012 23:05

When you have two lots of kids with two separate parents in a house them it has to be my house my rules or it breeds resentment amongst everyone in that house.
Only step families have this situation. In a normal family rules can be adapted and moulded over time and the ex accept them. Too often in a step family the dc want to call the shots.

Kaluki · 19/07/2012 23:06

Sorry
The dc accept them
My fingers are too fat for myiPhone!!!
Grin

exoticfruits · 20/07/2012 07:03

One thing is for sure - these things are never simple. It starts with being a 'quick question' as if someone has a solution with a few posts instead of which it is rumbling on 4 days later with no general consensus! I think that you just have to go with what you really want to do.

LtEveDallas · 20/07/2012 09:08

Exotic Grin Isn't it always the way?! I used to get quite snippy here, especially on the 'Step' boards, but now I tend to let it go. I'm happy with the way I do things - my relationship with my DSD is better than her fathers with her at times. She has grown into a decent young lady that I am very proud of.

I parent my DD the same way I 'step-parented' her sister. I'm consistent in my rules, and they can both see that. If they don't like it, tough! They've both got voices, they are both masters of the compromise, they are both quick to tell me if I am being unfair, or I've got it wrong. There are 10 years between them, but they are scarily similar.

I'm sure the next battle will be with Uni/Graduation etc, but I'll fight that when we get there. Right now I'm happy to go with the flow Smile

Lookingatclouds · 20/07/2012 10:07

That is a brilliant post lottiegb.

I also agree with seeker (still).

I think there is never a right or wrong way of doing things. Everyone's family dynamics are different, and we all have a different view on what is acceptable to us so there's can't possibly be a one size fits all answer.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum · 20/07/2012 10:35

Agreed lookingat, it will always be a subjective thing, but very useful to know about others' approaches etc. I imagine age of DSC and other factors are very important in terms of deciding on an approach - I have a 6yo DSD who cannot remember a time when it was any different, and who is (now) completely used to the concept of different house, different rules.

Also useful to hear from lottie I think, and perhaps DH and I should make sure that we are even more careful not to imply any criticism of DSD's mum, if that can be a massive problem for DSC.

wrinklyraisin · 20/07/2012 17:01

My dsd is 8. She rarely (like once a month) bathes/washes her hair at her mums. She's learnt that a tantrum gets her out of it. So we have a routine, as we have her 2 evenings a week plus every other weekend, that she takes a lovely long bath/hair wash at least once a week with us. Her maternal grandparents often have her on the weekends when her mum is scheduled to be keeping her, so they give her a bath and hair wash then too. So we know she's getting bathed/hair washes twice a week. She isn't encouraged to brush her teeth or wipe properly at home so we got her an electric kids toothbrush and wet toilet wipes. She's getting better. But only after weeks and weeks of mainly me teaching her self care skills. She's 8 and already showing signs of puberty (breast buds, Bo) so I'm super keen to instill good habits so she won't smell at school or look scruffy/dirty. It's not MY role IMO to do this. But as her mother isn't, and her father is keen but aware a young lady needs privacy/modesty, I am taking on the lions share. I'm happy to do this as I think her self esteem needs boosting, and good self care/pride in ones appearance go hand in hand with this.

Kaluki · 20/07/2012 17:11

Shock that is neglect wrinkly.
Poor child.
Lucky she has you to step up for her.
My DSCs mum never makes them clean their teeth. DSDs teeth are already turning brown and DSS has loads of fillings.

I just can't understand why you would neglect your dc like this. It is sickening.
When DP mentioned it to her and said I was worried too she aid I was a snob and it was none of our business.

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