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OLYMPICS 2021

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Star555 · 22/07/2021 21:19

Haven't found a thread for Olympic sports discussions so I'm starting one. This thread is only for discussions of the actual sporting events as they happen over the next few weeks, not the unfairness of IOC's rules/philosophy (e.g. allowing a male athlete to declare himself a woman and compete in the women's category...which is immoral, unscientific, and wholly unjust, but that topic already has multiple separate threads).

Although this will be an Olympics like no other, I'm excited for the opening ceremony tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing gymnastics and swimming especially!

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Bryonyshcmyony · 27/07/2021 14:52

@cricketmum84

Does anyone know what the point of dressage is???

And also how the hell they train a horse to prance like that?

It's an equestrian discipline that has been part of the Olympics for many many years. And they work together with superb riders to produce the beautiful work you see today

The only equestrian discipline I do hate is the show jumping phase of the modern pentathlon which I think should be banned and replaced with a cycle.

Iknowthiswillendbutwhen · 27/07/2021 15:15

Does anyone know what the point of dressage is???

And also how the hell they train a horse to prance like that?

Horses as prey, flight animals are essentially all about movement and the origins of dressage go back centuries on the battle field, where there was a need to have a powerful horse with an ability to step back, to one side, to turn in a tight circle etc, but even as an ordinary rider I use basic dressage movements to open a gate out on a hack without dismounting for example.

And on the ground, in the stable, its useful to have your horse make a lateral movement, to get him to move to one side to allow you to come in and groom or attend to him in some way, and not get crushed in the process, and every day I ask my horse to turn politely in a tight circle when he goes through the gate and out in to grazing, so that his head is turned towards me when I release him which is a basic safety move to avoid being kicked as horses sprint off and perhaps buck with excitement , kicking with their back legs as they go racing up the field.

Also, it is said that many dressage steps harness the power of the stallion of a herd in the wild, who are enormously powerful and fast but as they approach their mares at speed, they shorten their steps and prance. And if you watch a herd of mares and foals at liberty, they move in harmony turning in circles, weaving and turning in harmony like a shoal of fish, shortening and extending their paces as they go.

It takes seven or eight years or so to train a dressage horse to international level. Its about having short consistent training sessions over a very long period of time with competitions in between as you work up the levels. Short, focused bursts of training in the arena maybe three or four days out of seven interspersed with hacking, maybe jumping, and turnout in the field. A dressage horse has to be hugely powerful and athletic and of course that power and necessary temperament has to be contained and controlled but you have to work in harmony with your horse as they are not robots and each one has individual strengths and weaknesses. Also, some horses can be great and relaxed at home in the arena and go to pieces at competitions, or some rise to the occasion and enjoy the work and attention, again it depends on individual temperament.

Olympicfan · 27/07/2021 15:15

Yeh! I have found an Olympic thread. There was nothing in the 'Tokyo Olympics 2021' section yesterday.

As my username implies I just love the Olympics and refuse to go abroad during any games as the BBC coverage is second to none.

Loving Lutalo as a pundit. Train him up BBC to do the athletics, swimming and the paralympics as I would quite happily listen to him for another week or two! We all feel like arm-chair experts at taekwondo. Isn't it great that these sports get such great coverage. I wonder how many kids in their pyjamas have been kicking their siblings to practise their skills. So many of the Olympians said that seeing Sarah Stevenson win Bronze in 2008 led them to take up the sport.

Olympicfan · 27/07/2021 15:18

Looking forward to the mixed Triathlon relay at the weekend.

Matthew Coward-Holley an ex pupil from my old school goes in the trap shooting at 1.50am tomorrow. Hopefully we will wake up to gold!

cricketmum84 · 27/07/2021 15:44

@Iknowthiswillendbutwhen wow that's really interesting thankyou for the detailed explanation Smile

I was just watching them thinking - how on earth do you teach a horse to move like that!

It was very impressive.

I'm still not sure I understand the scoring though 😂

Bryonyshcmyony · 27/07/2021 15:55

I'm still not sure I understand the scoring though

I don't think anyone really does dds dressage judge at the weekend I'm talking about you grrr

Iknowthiswillendbutwhen · 27/07/2021 16:22

I'm still not sure I understand the scoring though 😂

Grin Aye well it has been standardised over the years and the judges are highly trained but there is a degree of subjectivity involved as some favour a more flashier movement than others. These articles may help to explain the fundamentals but there's no getting around that it is a very technical sport and at the grass roots many of the judges are working themselves on a higher level while judging a lower one:

www.britishdressage.co.uk/our-sport/all-about-dressage/dressage-defined/

www.britishdressage.co.uk/bd-info/faqs/competing/

Despite the technicalities involved the sport does grab you when you start competing and understanding the complexities of the training especially as you may be at one level with one horse and starting again at a lower level with a younger horse and both have completely different temperaments and aptitudes. Competing is one minor aspect of it in one way, most people find that building the partnership and understanding with their horse is the best bit.

Iknowthiswillendbutwhen · 27/07/2021 16:23

Bryonyshcmyony I know what that feels like GrinGrin

Mooserp · 27/07/2021 16:36

@Olympicfan

Looking forward to the mixed Triathlon relay at the weekend.

Matthew Coward-Holley an ex pupil from my old school goes in the trap shooting at 1.50am tomorrow. Hopefully we will wake up to gold!

Do we know who is going to be in the Mixed Tri team?
Star555 · 27/07/2021 16:59

Just saw on the gymnastics thread that Simone Biles withdrew due to mental health not injury. Very sorry to hear, but fingers crossed she returns to compete in the individual events finals!

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JacquelineCarlyle · 27/07/2021 17:01

@Iknowthiswillendbutwhen

Does anyone know what the point of dressage is???

And also how the hell they train a horse to prance like that?

Horses as prey, flight animals are essentially all about movement and the origins of dressage go back centuries on the battle field, where there was a need to have a powerful horse with an ability to step back, to one side, to turn in a tight circle etc, but even as an ordinary rider I use basic dressage movements to open a gate out on a hack without dismounting for example.

And on the ground, in the stable, its useful to have your horse make a lateral movement, to get him to move to one side to allow you to come in and groom or attend to him in some way, and not get crushed in the process, and every day I ask my horse to turn politely in a tight circle when he goes through the gate and out in to grazing, so that his head is turned towards me when I release him which is a basic safety move to avoid being kicked as horses sprint off and perhaps buck with excitement , kicking with their back legs as they go racing up the field.

Also, it is said that many dressage steps harness the power of the stallion of a herd in the wild, who are enormously powerful and fast but as they approach their mares at speed, they shorten their steps and prance. And if you watch a herd of mares and foals at liberty, they move in harmony turning in circles, weaving and turning in harmony like a shoal of fish, shortening and extending their paces as they go.

It takes seven or eight years or so to train a dressage horse to international level. Its about having short consistent training sessions over a very long period of time with competitions in between as you work up the levels. Short, focused bursts of training in the arena maybe three or four days out of seven interspersed with hacking, maybe jumping, and turnout in the field. A dressage horse has to be hugely powerful and athletic and of course that power and necessary temperament has to be contained and controlled but you have to work in harmony with your horse as they are not robots and each one has individual strengths and weaknesses. Also, some horses can be great and relaxed at home in the arena and go to pieces at competitions, or some rise to the occasion and enjoy the work and attention, again it depends on individual temperament.

This is so helpful, thank you!
AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:11

Enjoying the women's weightlifting 64kg

Bryonyshcmyony · 27/07/2021 17:17

Yes it's good isn't it! Quite emotional!

lljkk · 27/07/2021 17:21

I love that dressage info, cheers.

Bryonyshcmyony · 27/07/2021 17:25

Yes fantastic post thank you

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:30

I'm back on the BBC, and loving softball, I actually want to play it. Well done Japan!

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:31

Omg, Surfing next...can you tell that a. I've finished work and b. I am watching on my own

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:36

Oh my! Reaches for a fan...Igarashi...

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:43

Going to find all the surfing, loved that.

Bryonyshcmyony · 27/07/2021 17:45

@AndthreeTomsaredancing

Oh my! Reaches for a fan...Igarashi...
🤣🤣
Iknowthiswillendbutwhen · 27/07/2021 17:46

You are very welcome JacquelineCarlyle Smile

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:51

How do you paddle out in those waves iknowthis don't suppose you know as much about surfing as you do horses?

Hellocatshome · 27/07/2021 17:53

You paddle through the waves not over them if that makes sense, also sometimes although it didnt seem like it here you get towed out by the jet ski.

AndthreeTomsaredancing · 27/07/2021 17:58

@Hellocatshome

You paddle through the waves not over them if that makes sense, also sometimes although it didnt seem like it here you get towed out by the jet ski.
That makes sense, thank you. Just seems so ferocious.

Found the surfing emotional, Carissa talking about her family, and then finding out the Brazilian Men's gold medal learnt on a Styrofoam fish box lid... that's what the Olympics is all about

Floralnomad · 27/07/2021 20:20

Has anyone seen the medal cosies that Tom Daley has knitted , very cute.