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Do you have any questions about apprenticeships? Ask Lloyd’s Banking Group expert Kathryn Marshall for advice - £200 Amazon voucher to be won.

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EllieSmumsnet · 22/08/2022 16:07

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Deciding on your next career step can be stressful! Are you or a family member debating going to university or doing an apprenticeship? Are you or someone you know thinking about returning to the workforce or fancy a change in career? Kathryn Marshall, Senior manager of apprenticeships at Lloyds Banking Group is here to help make your decision easier by answering all of your questions.

  • Anyone that shares a question below by the 5th of September will be eligible for the prize draw.
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About Kathryn Marshall:
Kathryn Marshall leads on apprenticeship delivery for Lloyds Banking Group.
There are typically 1500 apprentices on programme at any time across 30 different occupations ranging from financial services to cyber security. In addition, Kathryn is co-vice chair for the Apprenticeship Ambassador Network and chairs the financial services apprenticeship trailblazer. The Apprenticeship Ambassador Network is a group of employers and apprentices who are passionate about promoting the benefits of apprenticeships.


Here's what Lloyds has to say:
'We are passionate about apprenticeships at Lloyds Banking Group because we can see the real difference they make to individuals in developing key skills and the confidence to have a successful career. More and more young people are weighing up the financial impact of going to university against the potential to earn a salary straight away and continue their learning and development in a way that may suit them better. Those who join on an apprenticeship get the opportunity to earn whilst they learn, to gain valuable experience and skills and to build up an important network to help them with their careers.

It is really important that all young people understand the options that are available to them and consider what is right for them which is why we are really keen to help increase understanding of apprenticeships.'


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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:25

allybird1 · 05/09/2022 20:08

Is there any age restrictions to an apprenticeship? For example is it only school leavers or can you retrain when you're an older person?

Thank you for your question.

There have certainly been a lot of questions and comments about the age range for apprentices.

An apprenticeship can be completed by anyone aged over 16 - there is no upper age limit. In fact our oldest apprentice at Lloyds Banking Group to date is 61 An apprenticeship could be an ideal opportunity for a young person looking to start their career. It could also work well for someone returning to work after a break.
They also work well for those looking to change career and train in a completely new occupation.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:28

UnityO · 05/09/2022 02:51

Is there one place where you can see apprenticeships available - or is it a case of looking at individual companies own websites?

There are some central sites where you can see different apprenticeship opportunities promoted.

I would recommend looking at Find An Apprenticeship on Gov.UK (www.gov.uk/apply-apprenticeship) - you can search for different options in different locations. I would also recommend Amazing Apprenticeships(amazingapprenticeships.com) as a great resource and a central place to find different opportunities.

You can also look at UCAS and Rate My Apprenticeship as useful sites. I would however also recommend you take the time to look at the different company websites. As well as information on vacancies, they tend to include a lot of useful information about the apprenticeship, what it is like to work for the organisation and hints and tips about the application process.

On lloydsbankinggrouptalent.com not only are there details of vacancies but also case studies of apprentices which can help bring to life what it is like to work for us.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:30

AGC21 · 23/08/2022 13:49

Hi, How do applicants get chosen? Is it based on previous qualifications?

For some of our apprenticeships at Lloyds Banking Group, we do not ask for any prior qualifications. It is more important to have the right attitude and strengths. If they haven't got maths or English GCSE or equivalent, then they will also work towards a functional skills qualification as part of their apprenticeship.

For some higher level apprenticeships, we do ask for A Levels or the equivalent but again, the most important part is that the candidate can show a strong motivation for the role - why they have chosen it and why they want to do an apprenticeship.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:40

Mariesthename · 30/08/2022 19:59

What is the selection process? Do they get conditional offers like UCAS application? Is it advisable to disclose SEN at application/interview? How can we identify a quality/experienced provider of apprenticeships.

As part of our assessment process at Lloyds Banking Group we tend to run on line activities followed by an interview or an assessment day.
On our assessment days we invite candidates to spend either half or a full day showing us their strengths and talents as they perform tasks and activities that might occur in the workplace. The day might include:
• a virtual interview
• a team exercise
• a presentation (on a subject prepared in advance)
• a written exercise
If invited to one of these days, the candidates will be assessed against the criteria we’ve set for the role, so it’s not a competition between candidates. Instead, we want to see how well they work together and on their own. And, depending on the number of vacancies we have for the apprenticeship they’ve applied for, all or none of the candidates may be successful.

If qualifications such as GCSEs or A Levels are a requirement for the role then a conditional offer will be given pending the results.

You also ask whether it is important to disclose any additional need or disability at interview. Absolutely! We want to create an environment where everyone can show their best. This will be asked as part of the application process and will then enable you to talk to the recruiters and agree what additional support needs to be provided. It may be having additional time for an activity, having the opportunity to review the questions in advance to help with processing time or doing an activity in person rather than online.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:43

SteveHarringtonsChestHair · 01/09/2022 16:05

My DS is looking at degree apprenticeships to hopefully get the best of both worlds, educational qualification and on the job experience at the same time. Why would someone choose to go down the regular degree route when that is available as an option?!

There are lots of different questions on here on why choose a traditional degree or why choose an apprenticeship degree. Obviously there is the financial impact.
With a degree apprenticeship, you get paid a salary throughout and the degree is paid for.

How you like to learn is also a consideration. If you flourish with more academic learning and research then a more traditional university degree could be right. If you like to apply the learning in a more practical way, then a degree apprenticeship could be right. Some young people want to experience life at university without needing to get up every morning and go to work.

For me the real difference is getting a head start on your career...with a degree apprenticeship you are learning, you are getting the qualification but most importantly you are establishing your career - getting great experience and building a strong network in the workplace.These factors are more important in being able to progress and we have seen that demonstrated with our apprentices. Not having a degree definitely does not hold you back!

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:45

Threeboysandadog · 02/09/2022 14:22

When I started nursing the training was like an apprenticeship with some time in college, time in the workplace and a low wage. Now it is a university degree course and it is a definite disadvantage not to have the degree. I think an apprenticeship without the debt of university is a great way forward even for the most academic but will those without a degree be treated as second class in the workplace?

People without a degree would not be treated differently to those with a degree.
What you do at work and how you go about it is much more important than a previous qualification. We see our apprentices really flourish in Lloyds Banking Group, using their learning and experience to gain promotions and create successful careers without having gone to university and with degree apprenticeships we also have the best of both worlds - a degree and office experience with no university debt. You will find that more and more employers are supportive of apprenticeships in the same way we are and actually value the hands on experience through an apprenticeship more than learning theories in a classroom!

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:46

Mezema78 · 05/09/2022 21:22

As a parent, I’d like to know more about apprenticeships. Going to university has so many cons than pros, especially with regards to cost. My son will finish school and I’ll like him to be able to get a good job and be content and happy, which is what every parent wishes. He’s not bothered about being rich.

We have some great success stories of our apprentices being promoted and getting higher salaries, being able to buy their first home in their 20s. I would recommend taking a look at our website www.lloydsbankinggrouptalent.com which has some different case studies bringing to life why someone has chosen an apprenticeship rather than university.

I would also encourage you to look our for local Apprenticeship Careers Fairs which you could go along to with your son. You will then get the opportunity to talk to other young people who can share their experiences of doing an apprenticeship to help work out if it is the right route for your son.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:48

Freedom2023 · 27/08/2022 14:29

Can someone who already has a degree apply for an apprenticeship?

You do need to check the different criteria for each role as it will vary. The most important thing to consider is that you need to be able to show a learning need to complete an apprenticeship and therefore cannot have a higher level qualification in the same subject area. So if you have a degree in computer science, you could not then complete an apprenticeship in software engineering unless it is a higher level, ie., masters equivalent.
If you have a degree in geography, it is then fine to do an apprenticeship in software engineering as it is a completely different subject.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:49

Flanjango · 05/09/2022 22:15

Can a teen with no qualifications and extra needs get an apprenticeship? Very bright and capable but didn't cope with school. Are there any accessible to those?

Absolutely!

For some of our apprenticeship programmes we do not ask for any qualifications. We know that some people struggle at school for different reasons but that should not mean they cannot have a successful career. If you do not have maths or English GCSE or equivalent you will get the opportunity to complete a functional skills qualification as part of the apprenticeship programme.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:50

OhamIreally · 28/08/2022 09:36

How long is the apprenticeship and is there a mechanism at the end which leads to permanent employment?

The length of apprenticeships does vary depending on the level and the occupation.

Typical lengths can be as follows:

Level 2/Intermediate – 12 months
Level 3/Advanced – 18 months
Level 4/Higher – 2 years
Level 5-6/Higher – 3 years

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pompomdaisy · 12/09/2022 16:51

I run a nursing apprenticeship programme. I'm just interested to hear what advice you give here regarding other healthcare apprenticeships like mine because there is not a one size fits all is there?

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:51

SandysMam · 30/08/2022 20:41

How can we convince younger people that apprenticeships are not just for those who struggle academically but also for those who have achieved great results but want a different path from just university? They are traditionally associated with those not clever enough for uni and I think that has changed!

It absolutely has changed!
Now there are apprenticeship programmes all the way up to a masters degree and in all different areas including research scientist, solicitor, accountant and data scientist to name a few.

We do still have a way to go to change perceptions and part of this is sharing different stories and examples and showing how successful a career you can have through completing an apprenticeship.

More and more schools are now sharing careers information on apprenticeships as well as university and organisations like the Apprenticeship Ambassador Network are on a mission to make sure that every young person understands their different options and there is an understanding of the parity between different routes.

We encourage all of our apprentices to share their stories to help the next generation decide on what is right for them and to dispel any myths about apprenticeships.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:53

insertsomethingwitty · 30/08/2022 19:02

Is there a guaranteed job at the end of it?

Is it recognised by employers nationwide if not?

With us, when you are accepted onto one of our programmes, you are offered a permanent role from day one. This may vary in different organisations so worth doing your research.

If you successfully complete the apprenticeship you get a certificate and this is recognised as a valued qualification with employers.

Importantly, each apprenticeship covers skills and behaviours that are built up as well as the knowledge of how to do the job.These skills and behaviours tend to be very transferable, relevant to different occupations and therefore helping with future jobs, even if in a different direction.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:55

Yvonne822 · 06/09/2022 09:54

Do you have any stats/success stories to share around people that have completed apprenticeships?

It is so important that we share different case studies to really bring to life what it is like to be an apprentice and highlight success stories. On our website www.lloydsbankinggrouptalent.com you can review a number of these case studies and see how successful our apprentices have been at starting and progressing their careers.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:56

dontneedthesunshine · 24/08/2022 13:23

Apprenticeship seems like such a vague term, will there always be an opportunity to gain recognized qualifications or can they just involve learning on the job?

An apprenticeship is a government approved learning structure learning programme. At the end of the programme you achieve the apprenticeship which shows that you have demonstrated the skills, knowledge and behaviours relevant to a specific job role.

Some apprenticeships also include other recognised professional qualifications which are completed as part of the learning journey. In England, as part of the apprenticeship you go through an independent end point assessment at the end to demonstrate what you have learnt and how you have applied it.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 16:57

aluvss · 29/08/2022 16:56

What kind of qualifications can be gained from an apprenticeship? Are they equivalent to a degree? and is it paid for by the company? Thank you

Apprenticeships come in different levels.
Successful completion of a Level 2/Intermediate apprenticeship is the equivalent of five good GCSE passes all the way up to completion of a Level 7 apprenticeship which is the equivalent to a masters degree.

The costs of the apprenticeship are fully covered by the employer.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:00

ipswichwitch · 04/09/2022 13:47

What support is there for apprentices during their apprenticeship - is there a governing body to oversee the quality of the training? Is there someone the apprentice can go to if they are having issues with their placement? Is there additional support for apprentices with SEN?

DH was an apprentice many years ago, and had been treated basically like a general dogs body, with very minimal on the job learning, and pay that didn’t even cover travel expenses. The college part of his apprenticeship wasn’t very supportive either, and for these reasons he wouldn’t want to encourage our DC into apprenticeships unless he was assured things had changed dramatically since then!

The experience of our apprentices at Lloyds Banking Group is really important to us. We recognise this is the first time in employment for many people and therefore the support we provide is really important. This ranges from having a buddy who tends to be a more experienced apprentice, someone who understands how they may be feeling.The line manager is really important in supporting them through their apprenticeship as well. We encourage all of our apprentices to be part of a wider community, both within the bank and with other apprentices outside of the bank.All of our apprentices are in a permanent job from day one and are therefore doing relevant work and making a difference from the start.

It is important to do your research and you can find reviews on sites such as Rate My Apprenticeship. Each Training Provider is assessed by Ofsted to review the quality of what they deliver.

Additional support is definitely available, depending on an individual's needs. It is really important to talk openly about what will help so the employer and Training Provider can put in place the relevant additional support.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:01

purplepandas · 28/08/2022 22:53

What are the salary prospects post apprenticeship? Likely different across vocations I realise. Really important, especially in such lean times.

We pay our apprentices for the work they do, not an ‘apprentice pay rate’ like other organisations.Exact salary information varies and can be found on all our vacancies but as an example, we would pay a Level 4 software engineering apprentice in Manchester a starting salary of £27,800.

As a permanent colleague within Lloyds Banking Group there are all the other benefits that go with that like a work based pension and flex cash to spend on different benefits to suit your lifestyle.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:03

SuperheroBirds · 01/09/2022 15:41

What do you see as the most in demand skills in the future and which apprenticeship would help develop those?

I'll start answering this by saying that each apprenticeship covers skills and behaviours that are learnt as well as the knowledge to do different jobs. The reason I start with this is that these skills and behaviours tend to be relevant across lots of different occupations so can help in whatever direction your career may take you. Demand for different skills is changing at such pace and as such I would be prepared to have what we call a squiggly career that could take you in directions you never thought existed.Keeping a love of learning could be key to a successful and varied career.

All apprenticeships are designed by employers based on what employers need so are kept relevant and up to date. We have definitely seen a growth in the number of apprenticeships we offer in digital roles such as cyber security, data analytics and software engineering and these are seen across all industries as skills that are in demand.


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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:05

MumC2141 · 25/08/2022 18:02

Are there any targets in place for provision of apprenticeships to young people with special needs such as autism, as they are so often underemployed and yet can have so much to offer especially when appropriate adjustments are put in place?

Completely agree that with the right adjustments so many young people with special needs can flourish.At application stage, it is important to make sure you let the employer know about any special needs. They will then work with you to make sure they are given the best environment to show themselves at their best, whether this is additional time, adjusted assessments or reviewing interview questions in advance. Once successfully appointed, the employer and training provider will complete a workplace assessment to make sure the apprentice can be successful depending on their individual needs.

As a mother of a son with autism, this is something close to my heart and you will find that more and more employers provide the right level of support and understanding and a real willingness to treat everyone as an individual.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:07

MerryMarigold · 28/08/2022 22:49

What different kinds of apprenticeships do Lloyds offer and is there a link to view them all in one place? Do you offer degree apprenticeships and how competitive are they? What's the ratio of applicants to apprenticeships roughly on the different types of apprenticeships available? Thank you!

We offer a wide range of apprenticeships at Lloyds Banking Group at different levels.

These start at Level 2 which is the equivalent to GCSEs and go up to Level 7 which is the equivalent of a master's degree. We offer apprenticeships in different occupations from customer service to cyber security, accountancy and data analytics, software engineering and audit.

Degree Apprenticeships and other higher level apprenticeships (Level 4 and above) are much more competitive to get on to. Typically we may see 100 applications per role for our higher level apprenticeship vacancies.
The Level 2 and Level 3 vacancies are less competitive and may be something to consider as a pathway to a degree apprenticeship. We see people working through the different levels - starting on a Level 2 or Level 3 and going on to complete a Level 7 master's level apprenticeship.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:08

Devilishpyjamas · 02/09/2022 22:13

My son is doing a business BTEC level 3 (the extended diploma). Where would he find out about apprenticeships on offer? He is interested in doing an apprenticeship but we really struggle to find a central place for information on them.

We advertise all of our vacancies on our website - www.lloydsbankinggroup.com where you can also find a lot of useful information.

There are also some central sites available where all employers advertise their apprenticeship vacancies - I would encourage you to look at Find An Apprenticeship (www.gov.uk/apply-apprenticeship) and Amazing Apprenticeships (amazingapprenticeships.co.uk) as good places to start.

Make sure you look out for different apprenticeship careers events as well, especially during National Apprenticeship Week in February where you will find lots of information about apprenticeship opportunities.

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KathrynMarshallLloyds · 12/09/2022 17:18

Thank you for all the different questions on apprenticeships. I can tell there is a real desire to get more information to find out more about different opportunities available and what to expect on an apprenticeship. Hopefully you will find my answers helpful along with suggested sites to go to for further guidance.

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