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HolyCalamityJane · 02/06/2012 08:50

Never in my life have I become involved in trying to raise awareness about special needs. 2 days ago I posted a thread asking my lovely Mums to sign a petition calling for educators to be given special needs training. That was all I wasn't calling for them to sacked or anything just a little bit if training.
Sadly my post was reported not sure why I was not notified I message HQ asking why and was told someone reported it as spam???? But I could post again without the link to the petition. This has made me feel a bit sad about this site.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 10:52

Hello. Thought it might be helpful to explain our stance on this one, just to make sure we don't get any crossed wires.

We do have a general policy of deleting threads that are specifically started to ask MNers to sign an epetition - once they are reported to us.

That's because we have lately seen a mahoosive rise in people joining MN purely to "spam" the boards with links to their epetition. Their interest, generally speaking, isn't really in joining in discussions but in promoting their epetition. This, quite understandably, annoys folks. So we do delete - and we clearly say we will in our Talk Guidelines.

However, we do recognise that many MN regulars may know about a campaign/issue that they'd like other MNers to know about, too.

We're fine with that, of course. But we do ask you, please, to frame your OP as a discussion of the issue, rather than a plain plea to sign an epetition - which, with the best will in the world, could well be seen by us and other MNers as a spammy epetition post.

So, an OP that said "Please sign this epetition to save endangered rabbits" would probably be deleted.

But one that said, "Anyone feel strongly about endangered rabbits? Did you know that rabbits are under threat from x and y?" - so clearly calling for a discussion, rather than just baldly promoting the epetition - would be fine. If you subsequently posted that there is a epetition about this, and included one quiet and tactful link, that would probably be fine, too.

We appreciate that it's a fine line - and that we may sometimes get it wrong - but our main concern is to prevent the boards being overrun by spammy links to frankly uninteresting or seriously annoying epetitions posted by people who have no other interest in being on Mumsnet.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 10:59

'Fraid I didn't personally see your thread, HolyCalamityJane. But judging by what you're saying here, I think a thread asking other posters to come and discuss their support (or not) for the campaign for educators to be given special needs training would be absolutely fine.

If subsequently in another post, you linked to the epetition, that would be fine, too.

If we got things wrong here or expressed things confusingly, we do apologise.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:13

@TheNinjaGooseIsOnAMission

that's the kind of discussion we have on most threads over on SN Helen!

Exactly!

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:14

@hazeyjane

Surely discretion should be used by the person who does the deleting. I can't understand why anyone would think it is ok to delete threads asking for support for e-petitions about sn training or support for deaf children. Whoever reported it should be ashamed of themselves.

The whole, 'quietly mentioning a petition' thing just seems a bit pointless in these circumstances, where it is obvious that regular posters are asking for support for extremely worthy issues.

People aren't forced to click on the link and sign.

Yes, we absolutely should use discretion. Agreed.

But we also have to have a "rule" we can use to zap the annoying epetition spammers - a rule that can be seen to be applied fairly to all.

Sometimes, we have simply deleted the epetition link from the OP and left the thread. That probably would have been the better option in the case of Calamity's thread.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:17

@HolyCalamityJane

And everyone will know I am a regular and not some lurking spam queen . I am absolutely shocked as well that I have just had an email from HQ asking would I mind reporting Sallybear's thread. For the official reord I will do no such thing I support it whole heatedly so you are now deleting a thread that no-one has reported! What on earth is going on??

Oh dear. I imagine you must have pointed out the Sallybear's thread was still there while yours was not. And the MNHQer on duty got the wrong end of the stick.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:20

@HolyCalamityJane

I didn't even post the link because I am crap at these things Ninja kindly did it for me!

Well, in that case, if there was no link in the OP, we should have offered to edit your thread title for you, so that it wasn't an explicit call to sign the epetition.

And then it would have been absolutely fine.

Huge apols. Obviously, we've made a mistake.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:26

No, thank you, CalamityJane. It's obviously a policy we're not explaining well enough - and one we need to work on applying with better discretion.

HelenMumsnet · 02/06/2012 11:36

Do you mean this link, Calamity?

CatherineMumsnet · 03/06/2012 16:49

Hi all, Helen did recently put up a more detailed explanation of e-petition threads and how we handle them on HolyCalamityJane's thread in SS.

When it's obviously spam, or if it's a link to an individuals Facebook page canvassing for votes then we will delete. However we do try to look at context, and if it's an awareness issue that's important to our members we don't want to silence it.

So in those instances, we ask that the OP doesn't write the word 'petition' in their thread title, and phrases the OP around the discussion element - so then the awareness raising becomes a part of the thread, rather than the sole purpose.

We know it can be confusing, but we do hope that helps. Feel free to email us with your comments on [email protected]

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