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Ferber method - well no body slept :-(

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sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 09:58

Please no judgement, i am absolutely at my wits end. I was advised to co-sleep with second DS as was told id get maximum rest. At the beginning it was easier not having to get up, but then i found myself boobing him back to sleep after every sleep cycle. I assumed his sleep would settle naturally, or after weaning. I was exhausted, but continued on. Nothing improved, and i had to boob him back to sleep for naps, and every 45 minutes throughout the evening. I haven't had one night proper sleep, or an evening to myself for one year, and can't cope with being woken up every 45 minutes through the night anymore. His sleep pattern is exactly the same at 12 months to when he was 3 months old. I feel very ill, and nearly had a few car crashes due to exhaustion. Not only that but found my baby playing right near the edge of the bed this week, so knew for his own safety it was time to transfer him to the cot.

I read about ferber method on mumsnet, and all i find are testimonies of babies crying for 45 mins first night, 20 minutes second night and 3 minutes third night for example. I keep reading how it was a game changer, but last night was a disaster for us, and i feel so discouraged now.

I followed the steps, check in to provide comfort (sshhhh sounds and strokes) at 3 minutes, 5 minutes and then 10 minute intervals. It took him two hours to fall asleep, but then woke up crying 10 minutes later. I restarted the check ins again, but it suddenly went quiet before i reached the 10 minute check in. I assumed he must have went back to sleep, so snuck in to check on him 15 minutes later, and found him asleep whilst sitting holding onto the cot! I gently put him on his back snuck out. I couldn't sleep as my anxiety was through the roof... He then woke up 45 minutes later crying (it was midnight at this point and he only slept 55 minutes including the 10 minutes earlier). It was more of a whinging cry at this point, and i found he cried harder when i left after my check ins. I continued, and then heard nothing at 12.30 am and assumed he was asleep. He was asleep, but again sitting up holding onto the bar!

Anyway this continued all through the night where he would cry hard during check ins, then a further 5 minutes then silence. Id assume he fell asleep, but every time i went in to check he either would be stood there silently waiting for me awake, or holding on the cot sitting dozing off. I think he knew i was coming back due to check ins, and was waiting for me? Ive never read of a baby just waiting quietly. Ive read the baby would eventually fall asleep for a few good hours.

He must have been exhausted, but kept waking up similar pattern as before, after every 45 minutes. There was no change, or improvement. He would wait there quietly too so it didn't work in terms of teaching him to self settle. In the end i got worried by the fact he hardly slept by 5am, and my boobs were hurting from not feeding him, so decided to put him on spare mattress in the living room with me, he fed and went to sleep. Woke up again 1 hour later, and i fed again and he went back to sleep before i woke him up properly at 8am. I really don't know what to do, and dreading nap time coming up.

Has this happened with anyone else? I am absolutely shattered as i was already running on empty. I can't imagine a week of literally no sleep. There are no family, or friends to help. I am worried this won't work, and id never be able to get him to sleep through in his own cot.

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maryjohnston · 12/12/2023 10:42

Have you tried the the “pick up, put down” method? It's suitable for my kid.

justabigdisco · 12/12/2023 10:56

Was that your first night? Keep the faith. It gets better. I was up 5,6,7 times a night with my eldest. She slept though on the 3rd night of Ferber.
My reflection was that the constant going in and ‘reassuring’ was making it worse, not better and that it is more for the parent’s benefit so they feel like they are doing something. Of note my daughter is unharmed and we did the same with our second, she is fine too.

angelpie33 · 12/12/2023 11:40

If your baby has been repeatedly waking up every 45mins through the night, have you considered a possible underlying medical issue? It seems extremely unusual to me. Perhaps something like sleep apnoea, tonsils/adenoids issues, allergies? Personally I would look into that first

VesperLind · 12/12/2023 11:57

My DS2 slept no more than 45mins at a time. We co-slept and he was ebf. Once in his own bed and weaned at 2.5 he slept through. With hindsight, we were keeping each other awake and I should have stopped bf sooner and put him in his own room. Like you OP I was demented from lack of sleep and miserable because he was generally a velcro baby who cried a lot. Sympathy ❤️‍🩹

sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 12:38

@justabigdisco yes first night which was more like 18 check ins!
Well nap time was just as i predicted. He was clearly exhausted, falling asleep on boob, so i put him in the cot. Instant cry. He started dozing off whilst holding onto cot again after 4 checkins, but like last night woke up properly again when i gently put him on his back. We tried for an hour, and then he went quiet. Was he asleep? No, just standing quietly waiting for me to come back! Surely he needs sleep?! What if its the same tonight :-(

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sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 12:40

@angelpie33 i'm not sure. He doesn't seem to have other symptoms. He just seems really frustrated to be waking up often, and yells out with his eyes closed, so i quickly boob him back to deep sleep.

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sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 12:42

@VesperLind ah gosh that's tough! This is my feeling, it will just continue unless i try and teach him new habits. So far doesn't seem to be working though.

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doodlepants · 12/12/2023 12:45

It took us a month to get Ferber to work. We also read the stupid 3 nights of less and less crying thing but for us she cried all night for a few weeks (obviously we checked in every few minutes) and eventually learned to self-settle. I would say give it a month.

I wouldn't say the sleeping by the bars thing is a bad thing! If he managed to fall asleep like that he might be able to fall asleep lying down too and I wouldn't stop him. Have you got a video monitor to keep an eye on him?

Good luck.

bridgetjonesmassivepants · 12/12/2023 12:48

I will be lynched on here for saying this but we just left the baby to cry it out. None of this going on and out nonsense, like another poster said, this just seems confusing for them. It took three nights for them to crack on that darkness and their cot meant sleep and no mummy.

I was at the stage where I was falling asleep at traffic lights when I was driving, I was so exhausted.

Child is now grown up and doesn't hate me or have any issues. Protect your own sanity and keep going, it will take more than one night.

WonderLife · 12/12/2023 12:50

Some babies are easier than others. The first night is always going to be hard.

Whatever method you use, you need to be consistent and give it at least a week or 10 days before you know if it will work or not.

TheShellBeach · 12/12/2023 12:54

OP I think you've misunderstood the Ferber method.

It took three hours to settle DD the first night, initially. Then she woke three more times and we did it all again, except she settled faster those times. I got almost no sleep that first night.

Why are you going in to your baby is he's not crying? Just leave him.

The second night we did Ferber, our DD settled within forty minutes, and only woke once.

On the third night, she settled after fifteen minutes, and slept all night.

Not all babies are the same and consistency is key. Some babies learn to settle within three nights, and others take longer.

May I suggest that you read the book again?

Skykidsspy · 12/12/2023 12:55

If at all possible get dad to do the sleep training. In his eyes, you’ve got the boob so give him the boob.

can a dummy be offered?

in terms of bedtime routine, completely remove the boob association. So bf, bath if needed, pyjamas, teeth, book and bed. For naps, bf in lounge, then into room, draw curtains, book and bed. it can help to use the same book for each sleep to build the association.

once you’ve done the routine, remember that the purpose of going back isn’t to resettle. You want to be in the room for 30 seconds. Lay back down, give a teddy and a dummy if you’re doing that, say the same sentence “it’s okay, it’s time to go to sleep now” or similar and then leave.

it’s worth persevering for a few days, at all sleeps, to get the solid block of sleep. Consistency for settling to sleep is absolutely key though.

Bluebelle82 · 12/12/2023 12:56

My second slept like this. She was a light sleeper who would cry out between each sleep cycle and wake herself up. I realised that half the time she was crying she was actually largely asleep and the crying was her way of getting back to sleep.
I knew that she could already settle herself to sleep because I put her down awake for naps.
I bought a pair of ear plugs which stopped me waking and jumping out of bed so fast. She then had longer to settle herself without my 'help'. It took ONE night for her to start sleeping through.

TheShellBeach · 12/12/2023 12:58

......every time i went in to check he either would be stood there silently......

You don't need to go in and check if he isn't crying. That's the whole point. You leave him to fall asleep by himself.

TheShellBeach · 12/12/2023 13:02

When I was doing Ferber, I used to go in, say "I live you but you need to go to sleep now", lie her back down, and leave immediately.

And repeat. Over and over, when she cried. I didn't go in when she was silent - that's when she was learning to fall asleep without me being there.

RedHelenB · 12/12/2023 13:03

bridgetjonesmassivepants · 12/12/2023 12:48

I will be lynched on here for saying this but we just left the baby to cry it out. None of this going on and out nonsense, like another poster said, this just seems confusing for them. It took three nights for them to crack on that darkness and their cot meant sleep and no mummy.

I was at the stage where I was falling asleep at traffic lights when I was driving, I was so exhausted.

Child is now grown up and doesn't hate me or have any issues. Protect your own sanity and keep going, it will take more than one night.

This.

Mariposista · 12/12/2023 13:30

You have done it for ONE NIGHT! Nothing gets resolved in one night. It's like any sort of training, even as adults in jobs, it takes time to adapt. If you give up now you will be making a rod for your own back and nobody will ever get any sleep.

wobblyweasel · 12/12/2023 13:34

When my DS(26) was a baby I thought I'd be permanently tied to rocking him to sleep. Then putting him into his cot woke him, so back to square one. Nothing seemed to work. In the end we tried this method, although it wasn't given a name then. First night I thought it would never work. I was up and down like the proverbial yo-yo. Second night, not as bad, and within a week he was settling down and sleeping through the night. I did let him cry, but voice soothed him. If he was quiet I didn't go in, just in case it was me going in that was waking him.

TerroristToddler · 12/12/2023 13:36

Don't go in if they are not crying - that is defeating the purpose! Only do the check in's once they have started crying. So if they wake and fuss/cry you start the timer for the 5mins etc. from then. They need time to learn to be quiet in their cot and figure out a new way of getting themselves to sleep.

If you've been BF to sleep all this time then that's a big sleep crutch your baby needs to learn to do without and will be the biggest change for them. They don't know how to go back to sleep without BF as they haven't had to do it before. I'd stop BF to sleep entirely (if you haven't already) and move any BF feeds to times when they are fully awake to break the association that BF=how I get to sleep. If they are 12 months they won't need much milk anyway (we only fed at 7am and 6:30pm at 12 months I think) as should be getting a lot of solids. If baby hasn't already, perhaps give them a lovey/softie to cuddle so that they get some comfort from something else apart from you/BF.

The first night(s) (expect this to take at least a week OP.... and given your LO is now 12months it could be a bit longer as their habits are quite ingrained) will be hard. But you can't have expected a miracle in ONE NIGHT?!

HiCandles · 12/12/2023 13:36

I had good success with the book Baby Sleep Solution by Lucy Wolfe. It's somewhere in between Ferber and boobing all night. Involves staying next to the cot providing reassurance then night by night moving further away and she has a gradual plan for removing night feeds rather than cold turkey. Maybe have a look.

Keroppi · 12/12/2023 13:38

Sounds like you're both exhausted!!! First night is always hard. I would stop going in when he's quiet. He'll probably drop back to sleep after a little sleepy cry. Could you just sit by the front door and say your sleepy phrase/hum a lullaby quietly then leave? Also maybe being put back on his back is disturbing him. At 12mo I always put my son laid on his tummy/side as that's what he preferred. I also did 1 min letting him cry, go back in or sing from the door, then 2 mins at next wakeup/if he didn't settle

LapinR0se · 12/12/2023 13:41

Agree with the others. You only go in if your baby is really crying.
Sleeping sitting up holding the bars - leave him, he will eventually settle into a comfy position
Standing quietly in the cot - leave him, he will get tired and lie down
Whinging or a tired cry - leave him, he will
soon fall asleep
Urgent, loud crying - go in and settle him with slightly longer periods between each visit.

BurbageBrook · 12/12/2023 13:52

Please don't listen to @bridgetjonesmassivepants. Incredibly cruel.

sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 17:07

@doodlepants A month! Yikes, ok, i'll try hanging in there. Ive gone to buy one tonight. He kept knocking his head against the wooden bar which left a few red marks on him which is why i had to move him...moving him woke him up all over again though.

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