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Ferber method - well no body slept :-(

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sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 09:58

Please no judgement, i am absolutely at my wits end. I was advised to co-sleep with second DS as was told id get maximum rest. At the beginning it was easier not having to get up, but then i found myself boobing him back to sleep after every sleep cycle. I assumed his sleep would settle naturally, or after weaning. I was exhausted, but continued on. Nothing improved, and i had to boob him back to sleep for naps, and every 45 minutes throughout the evening. I haven't had one night proper sleep, or an evening to myself for one year, and can't cope with being woken up every 45 minutes through the night anymore. His sleep pattern is exactly the same at 12 months to when he was 3 months old. I feel very ill, and nearly had a few car crashes due to exhaustion. Not only that but found my baby playing right near the edge of the bed this week, so knew for his own safety it was time to transfer him to the cot.

I read about ferber method on mumsnet, and all i find are testimonies of babies crying for 45 mins first night, 20 minutes second night and 3 minutes third night for example. I keep reading how it was a game changer, but last night was a disaster for us, and i feel so discouraged now.

I followed the steps, check in to provide comfort (sshhhh sounds and strokes) at 3 minutes, 5 minutes and then 10 minute intervals. It took him two hours to fall asleep, but then woke up crying 10 minutes later. I restarted the check ins again, but it suddenly went quiet before i reached the 10 minute check in. I assumed he must have went back to sleep, so snuck in to check on him 15 minutes later, and found him asleep whilst sitting holding onto the cot! I gently put him on his back snuck out. I couldn't sleep as my anxiety was through the roof... He then woke up 45 minutes later crying (it was midnight at this point and he only slept 55 minutes including the 10 minutes earlier). It was more of a whinging cry at this point, and i found he cried harder when i left after my check ins. I continued, and then heard nothing at 12.30 am and assumed he was asleep. He was asleep, but again sitting up holding onto the bar!

Anyway this continued all through the night where he would cry hard during check ins, then a further 5 minutes then silence. Id assume he fell asleep, but every time i went in to check he either would be stood there silently waiting for me awake, or holding on the cot sitting dozing off. I think he knew i was coming back due to check ins, and was waiting for me? Ive never read of a baby just waiting quietly. Ive read the baby would eventually fall asleep for a few good hours.

He must have been exhausted, but kept waking up similar pattern as before, after every 45 minutes. There was no change, or improvement. He would wait there quietly too so it didn't work in terms of teaching him to self settle. In the end i got worried by the fact he hardly slept by 5am, and my boobs were hurting from not feeding him, so decided to put him on spare mattress in the living room with me, he fed and went to sleep. Woke up again 1 hour later, and i fed again and he went back to sleep before i woke him up properly at 8am. I really don't know what to do, and dreading nap time coming up.

Has this happened with anyone else? I am absolutely shattered as i was already running on empty. I can't imagine a week of literally no sleep. There are no family, or friends to help. I am worried this won't work, and id never be able to get him to sleep through in his own cot.

OP posts:
thankyouforthedayz · 14/12/2023 00:19

Tried this with ebf baby about 5 months, hated it, worked after 3 nights, lasted 2 weeks til he had a cold when he was miserable all night, stopped working, resumed co-sleeping when he slept like a dreamboat. My sleep,was weird. I was never deeply asleep all the time we co-slept but much better rested.

InWalksBarberalla · 14/12/2023 01:48

I wouldn't go straight to Ferber when you've only just moved him to a cot and stopped feeding to sleep. Get him used to the cot first.

Nosleep24 · 09/03/2024 19:00

sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 09:58

Please no judgement, i am absolutely at my wits end. I was advised to co-sleep with second DS as was told id get maximum rest. At the beginning it was easier not having to get up, but then i found myself boobing him back to sleep after every sleep cycle. I assumed his sleep would settle naturally, or after weaning. I was exhausted, but continued on. Nothing improved, and i had to boob him back to sleep for naps, and every 45 minutes throughout the evening. I haven't had one night proper sleep, or an evening to myself for one year, and can't cope with being woken up every 45 minutes through the night anymore. His sleep pattern is exactly the same at 12 months to when he was 3 months old. I feel very ill, and nearly had a few car crashes due to exhaustion. Not only that but found my baby playing right near the edge of the bed this week, so knew for his own safety it was time to transfer him to the cot.

I read about ferber method on mumsnet, and all i find are testimonies of babies crying for 45 mins first night, 20 minutes second night and 3 minutes third night for example. I keep reading how it was a game changer, but last night was a disaster for us, and i feel so discouraged now.

I followed the steps, check in to provide comfort (sshhhh sounds and strokes) at 3 minutes, 5 minutes and then 10 minute intervals. It took him two hours to fall asleep, but then woke up crying 10 minutes later. I restarted the check ins again, but it suddenly went quiet before i reached the 10 minute check in. I assumed he must have went back to sleep, so snuck in to check on him 15 minutes later, and found him asleep whilst sitting holding onto the cot! I gently put him on his back snuck out. I couldn't sleep as my anxiety was through the roof... He then woke up 45 minutes later crying (it was midnight at this point and he only slept 55 minutes including the 10 minutes earlier). It was more of a whinging cry at this point, and i found he cried harder when i left after my check ins. I continued, and then heard nothing at 12.30 am and assumed he was asleep. He was asleep, but again sitting up holding onto the bar!

Anyway this continued all through the night where he would cry hard during check ins, then a further 5 minutes then silence. Id assume he fell asleep, but every time i went in to check he either would be stood there silently waiting for me awake, or holding on the cot sitting dozing off. I think he knew i was coming back due to check ins, and was waiting for me? Ive never read of a baby just waiting quietly. Ive read the baby would eventually fall asleep for a few good hours.

He must have been exhausted, but kept waking up similar pattern as before, after every 45 minutes. There was no change, or improvement. He would wait there quietly too so it didn't work in terms of teaching him to self settle. In the end i got worried by the fact he hardly slept by 5am, and my boobs were hurting from not feeding him, so decided to put him on spare mattress in the living room with me, he fed and went to sleep. Woke up again 1 hour later, and i fed again and he went back to sleep before i woke him up properly at 8am. I really don't know what to do, and dreading nap time coming up.

Has this happened with anyone else? I am absolutely shattered as i was already running on empty. I can't imagine a week of literally no sleep. There are no family, or friends to help. I am worried this won't work, and id never be able to get him to sleep through in his own cot.

Hi!

I am literally in the same situation as you with our 11 month old boy. Have you seen any improvement with the Ferber method?

irw · 09/03/2024 19:06

Do you have a baby monitor?

We used the Ferber method and having a monitor to check that our DC was quiet but fine or quiet and asleep really helped my anxiety.

It took us about a week to get nights and naps on track.

Hang in there 💖

Workawayxx · 09/03/2024 19:21

I’d try the book The no cry sleep solution by Elizabeth Pantley (I think that’s her name). I’d also try weaning him off the boob at least overnight. I initially offered ds cows milk in a sippy cup but he quickly realised it wasn’t worth it and would be quickly cuddled back to sleep.

Nosleep24 · 09/03/2024 22:12

irw · 09/03/2024 19:06

Do you have a baby monitor?

We used the Ferber method and having a monitor to check that our DC was quiet but fine or quiet and asleep really helped my anxiety.

It took us about a week to get nights and naps on track.

Hang in there 💖

Hi! Yes we have a baby monitor which will help when we start Ferber again. How was your child’s sleep before implementing Ferber if you don’t mind me asking?

Nubnut · 09/03/2024 22:26

According to studies the Ferber method ‘works’ for 7% of kids.
Personally I don’t believe it’s fair to ‘try it’ on the other 93% and cause so much misery and potential attachment issues. I’ve seen those threads that rave about it too, but I wouldn’t put a child through that because of a thread on mumsnet.
There are plenty of good responsive sleep training methods without putting yourself and your child through that.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/03/2024 22:34

We did this. Then she got a cold, back to square one, then we went on holiday, back to square one, then she got a cold ad infinitum.

We took her in with us at 1 year old. She stayed with us until about 4 or so

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 08:56

Nubnut · 09/03/2024 22:26

According to studies the Ferber method ‘works’ for 7% of kids.
Personally I don’t believe it’s fair to ‘try it’ on the other 93% and cause so much misery and potential attachment issues. I’ve seen those threads that rave about it too, but I wouldn’t put a child through that because of a thread on mumsnet.
There are plenty of good responsive sleep training methods without putting yourself and your child through that.

Hi, that’s interesting I was not aware of it only working on 7%. Do you mind sharing some of the studies you mentioned please? I did a google search but nothing returned unfortunately!

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 09:00

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/03/2024 22:34

We did this. Then she got a cold, back to square one, then we went on holiday, back to square one, then she got a cold ad infinitum.

We took her in with us at 1 year old. She stayed with us until about 4 or so

I assume you mean she was Co sleeping with you until 4? I wouldn’t mind doing this if my son would actually sleep. He wakes every 45mins to 1hr throughout the night just like OP so I’m not getting any sleep. This has been going on for 11 months …

InTheRainOnATrain · 10/03/2024 09:25

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 08:56

Hi, that’s interesting I was not aware of it only working on 7%. Do you mind sharing some of the studies you mentioned please? I did a google search but nothing returned unfortunately!

I’m guessing it’s probably referring to the fact that Ferber doesn’t make kids immune to sleep regressions or other sleep disturbances like if they’ve been unwell, are teething, are on the verge of dropping a nap or have traveled long haul. I think it’s expected that kids will have blips and that you may have repeat the training once or twice over the course of babyhood and toddlerhood but that it shouldn’t ever be as bad as the first time since it’s more like a refresher training. I wouldn’t call that not working but if you’re pushing an anti sleep training agenda you might! Obviously it’s not a method that everyone is comfortable with, and that’s fine, but anecdotally it seems to work for the majority that are willing to stick with it. My paediatrician was recommending it in the US which I don’t think she would have done if 93% of parents were coming back in and saying it failed!

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 09:29

InTheRainOnATrain · 10/03/2024 09:25

I’m guessing it’s probably referring to the fact that Ferber doesn’t make kids immune to sleep regressions or other sleep disturbances like if they’ve been unwell, are teething, are on the verge of dropping a nap or have traveled long haul. I think it’s expected that kids will have blips and that you may have repeat the training once or twice over the course of babyhood and toddlerhood but that it shouldn’t ever be as bad as the first time since it’s more like a refresher training. I wouldn’t call that not working but if you’re pushing an anti sleep training agenda you might! Obviously it’s not a method that everyone is comfortable with, and that’s fine, but anecdotally it seems to work for the majority that are willing to stick with it. My paediatrician was recommending it in the US which I don’t think she would have done if 93% of parents were coming back in and saying it failed!

Yes this makes perfect sense! I’m not fussed if we have ti repeat it a few times during babyhood as you say :)

Richtea67 · 10/03/2024 09:42

OP this method doesn't work for every baby/family. I think if it doesn't feel right it's OK to try a new approach. My 18mo was a similar sleeper and we did a pick up/put down, controlled crying mash up and it worked. It was gentler, did take longer but felt right. Go with your instincts.... give yourself permission to stop. I read a few books and went with what felt right....if you want the references let me know and I'll dig them out. We were hit hard by the 18months sleep regression, but she's now back to one wake up a night around 4am, and generally back to sleep after a quick resettle.

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 10:20

Richtea67 · 10/03/2024 09:42

OP this method doesn't work for every baby/family. I think if it doesn't feel right it's OK to try a new approach. My 18mo was a similar sleeper and we did a pick up/put down, controlled crying mash up and it worked. It was gentler, did take longer but felt right. Go with your instincts.... give yourself permission to stop. I read a few books and went with what felt right....if you want the references let me know and I'll dig them out. We were hit hard by the 18months sleep regression, but she's now back to one wake up a night around 4am, and generally back to sleep after a quick resettle.

Hi, your method sounds interesting, could you give a few more trails in how you combined pick up put down and controlled crying/ferber please?

Flyhigher · 10/03/2024 10:30

Bottle feed. This is madness. You will crash your car. And perhaps injure yourself and baby and other innocent people.

Breast feeding is just not worth all that.

Child is just not learning to self soothe and settle at all. This can only get worse.

SoftPillowAllNight · 10/03/2024 12:07

This is too much change all at once and is hard on baby and you.

Stopping the night feeds should be step1. Once that is established the sleep training will be less of a battle.

Richtea67 · 10/03/2024 13:14

@Nosleep24 it was basically the normal pick up put down but letting her cry/grizzle a bit in-between, but not letting her get too distressed. No set timings or anything, more like 'responsive settling'. I think we started with night time only l, and then progressed to naps. I'm not saying it'll be right for you, but it seemed to work for us. Sleep has still been very up and down, but much more manageable getting up once/twice than every 45mins. I recommend Rowena Bennetts book 'your sleepless baby ' as it gives lots of different options and examples. I know that Ferber would not be right for our baby, but accept may suit others. Maybe gradual retreat may work for you? We also had an initial consultation with a sleep consultant....it was a free 30min chat, but even that was helpful. I hope you find a method that suits you and works....I know awful and unsustainable no sleep is

Nubnut · 11/03/2024 20:50

Nosleep24 · 10/03/2024 08:56

Hi, that’s interesting I was not aware of it only working on 7%. Do you mind sharing some of the studies you mentioned please? I did a google search but nothing returned unfortunately!

In the book Still Awake (2021), Dr Lyndsey Hookway talks about "non-responders" to controlled crying, "slow-responders" and "fast-responders" (that dream of "it only takes a couple of nights and it's fixed). The fast responders group from her experience is 7%. So basically you have some parents whose babies responded well to controlled crying telling everyone else to try it, and the vast majority of babies who find it extremely distressing AND it doesn't work.
Also, she explains also that you can't do a randomised control trial with sleep training, so it's impossible to ever know the real effects.

Nubnut · 11/03/2024 20:53

InTheRainOnATrain · 10/03/2024 09:25

I’m guessing it’s probably referring to the fact that Ferber doesn’t make kids immune to sleep regressions or other sleep disturbances like if they’ve been unwell, are teething, are on the verge of dropping a nap or have traveled long haul. I think it’s expected that kids will have blips and that you may have repeat the training once or twice over the course of babyhood and toddlerhood but that it shouldn’t ever be as bad as the first time since it’s more like a refresher training. I wouldn’t call that not working but if you’re pushing an anti sleep training agenda you might! Obviously it’s not a method that everyone is comfortable with, and that’s fine, but anecdotally it seems to work for the majority that are willing to stick with it. My paediatrician was recommending it in the US which I don’t think she would have done if 93% of parents were coming back in and saying it failed!

I think that might be because in the US controlled crying methods are really big because everyone believes you have to train your kids with all these programs and methods, probably because of the huge pressures to go back to work after 5 minutes of maternity leave.

Pinklilly · 12/03/2024 02:13

@Richtea67 hi can I ask who you had your free 30 min consultation with.
im at my wits end with my 5.5 month old which I appreciate is young so I know I can’t formally sleep train but I am falling apart with no sleep so I need something.

Richtea67 · 12/03/2024 12:39

Pinklilly · 12/03/2024 02:13

@Richtea67 hi can I ask who you had your free 30 min consultation with.
im at my wits end with my 5.5 month old which I appreciate is young so I know I can’t formally sleep train but I am falling apart with no sleep so I need something.

@Pinklilly it was Nina Forrester from sleepychicken, but I can't see the website so wondering if it's been re named. I will dig out the email and pm you.

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