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Ferber method - well no body slept :-(

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sleepnomore77 · 12/12/2023 09:58

Please no judgement, i am absolutely at my wits end. I was advised to co-sleep with second DS as was told id get maximum rest. At the beginning it was easier not having to get up, but then i found myself boobing him back to sleep after every sleep cycle. I assumed his sleep would settle naturally, or after weaning. I was exhausted, but continued on. Nothing improved, and i had to boob him back to sleep for naps, and every 45 minutes throughout the evening. I haven't had one night proper sleep, or an evening to myself for one year, and can't cope with being woken up every 45 minutes through the night anymore. His sleep pattern is exactly the same at 12 months to when he was 3 months old. I feel very ill, and nearly had a few car crashes due to exhaustion. Not only that but found my baby playing right near the edge of the bed this week, so knew for his own safety it was time to transfer him to the cot.

I read about ferber method on mumsnet, and all i find are testimonies of babies crying for 45 mins first night, 20 minutes second night and 3 minutes third night for example. I keep reading how it was a game changer, but last night was a disaster for us, and i feel so discouraged now.

I followed the steps, check in to provide comfort (sshhhh sounds and strokes) at 3 minutes, 5 minutes and then 10 minute intervals. It took him two hours to fall asleep, but then woke up crying 10 minutes later. I restarted the check ins again, but it suddenly went quiet before i reached the 10 minute check in. I assumed he must have went back to sleep, so snuck in to check on him 15 minutes later, and found him asleep whilst sitting holding onto the cot! I gently put him on his back snuck out. I couldn't sleep as my anxiety was through the roof... He then woke up 45 minutes later crying (it was midnight at this point and he only slept 55 minutes including the 10 minutes earlier). It was more of a whinging cry at this point, and i found he cried harder when i left after my check ins. I continued, and then heard nothing at 12.30 am and assumed he was asleep. He was asleep, but again sitting up holding onto the bar!

Anyway this continued all through the night where he would cry hard during check ins, then a further 5 minutes then silence. Id assume he fell asleep, but every time i went in to check he either would be stood there silently waiting for me awake, or holding on the cot sitting dozing off. I think he knew i was coming back due to check ins, and was waiting for me? Ive never read of a baby just waiting quietly. Ive read the baby would eventually fall asleep for a few good hours.

He must have been exhausted, but kept waking up similar pattern as before, after every 45 minutes. There was no change, or improvement. He would wait there quietly too so it didn't work in terms of teaching him to self settle. In the end i got worried by the fact he hardly slept by 5am, and my boobs were hurting from not feeding him, so decided to put him on spare mattress in the living room with me, he fed and went to sleep. Woke up again 1 hour later, and i fed again and he went back to sleep before i woke him up properly at 8am. I really don't know what to do, and dreading nap time coming up.

Has this happened with anyone else? I am absolutely shattered as i was already running on empty. I can't imagine a week of literally no sleep. There are no family, or friends to help. I am worried this won't work, and id never be able to get him to sleep through in his own cot.

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Hollyhead · 12/12/2023 20:56

Depending on the age, sleep training where a parent is around is really not cruel. I think the current trend for allowing bad sleeping beyond one (with the caveat that some children just wont' sleep well) will go out of fashion. Sleep is essential to health of parents and children. My DC were SO much happier once they were able to self settle and sleep 12 hours per night and nap trained to do quality naps in the day, and it really didn't involve much crying or any abandonment.

catsnore · 12/12/2023 21:16

If you have space, you could try putting the cot next to your bed so you are still near and that may be more reassuring for both of you. Also when he wakes, instead of feeding try other things - patting on back, rocking, cuddling, singing, stroking cheek etc. the idea being that they learn to link sleep cycles without feeding. Also aim for non feeding naps in the day - walk in the buggy/sling or whatever works.

I find that the more you feed the more they wake and it's probably down to wind as they digest or fall asleep lying down. I give gripe water for this if mine keeps waking.

Try not to change too many things at once - he is used to your old routine and will take time to adapt. If you can do this without distress or leaving him alone it's better for everyone.

maryjohnston · 13/12/2023 07:22

maryjohnston · 12/12/2023 10:42

Have you tried the the “pick up, put down” method? It's suitable for my kid.

I tried this way for both 2 of my kids and it's quite effective. You can read this post to understand better about this method: https://www.wonderbaby.org/articles/pick-up-put-down-method uno online

The Pick Up Put Down Method: A Gentle Sleep Training Guide | WonderBaby.org

The Pick Up Put Down sleep training method can help your baby fall asleep and stay asleep longer without the need to to cry it out.

https://www.wonderbaby.org/articles/pick-up-put-down-method

Clarabellawilliamson · 13/12/2023 08:17

Also- get him a dolly and a toy cot. In the day do lots of playing with it. Make up a little bedtime routine. Kiss dolly, tuck it into bed, say night night dolly, then both of you sneak away because 'shhh- dolly's sleeping'. If he's 1 he should get it.

This was also the stage when my milk was 'all gone' at night.

Sleep training at 14 months changed, and saved my life- no exaggeration. If the 'cruelest' thing that has ever happened to your baby is being put down to sleep in a warm bed, by a loving mum with a full tummy, they are very lucky.

drspouse · 13/12/2023 11:15

I got booted off a gentle parenting group for suggesting "vanishing chair" (two year old, not feeding to sleep, just complaining if we weren't there) as it was "traumatic". My DCs are adopted. The gentle parents in that group wouldn't know traumatic if it came up and whacked their ever-loving behinds*.

*note I do not suggest this. For the avoidance of doubt.

rosyglowcondition · 13/12/2023 12:54

You have my sympathy!

mewkins · 13/12/2023 12:58

bridgetjonesmassivepants · 12/12/2023 12:48

I will be lynched on here for saying this but we just left the baby to cry it out. None of this going on and out nonsense, like another poster said, this just seems confusing for them. It took three nights for them to crack on that darkness and their cot meant sleep and no mummy.

I was at the stage where I was falling asleep at traffic lights when I was driving, I was so exhausted.

Child is now grown up and doesn't hate me or have any issues. Protect your own sanity and keep going, it will take more than one night.

My dd also got more wound up by me going into check.

Op, can you set up a camera so that you can see what's going on rather than going into the room when it goes quiet?

loveacupoftea18 · 13/12/2023 13:07

Ah I'm sorry. This sounds hard. You've had lots of useful advice but for what it's worth, here's mine.

I needed to wean my Ebf baby at night for exactly the same reasons, she was on me all night long, waking constantly.

I am a bit useless when they cry so instead, I put her in her own room and went to her every time she cried but totally refused to give her milk. I knew she was well fed and just wanted the comfort so I would cuddle her back to sleep and put her in the cot.

She did cry. But I was holding her and felt better about it (just for me personally). Her sleep stretches got longer every night and she slept through within a week. It CHANGED my life and I kicked myself for not doing it sooner.

She basically realised that there was no longer an all night milk tap so she may as well stay asleep!

sleepnomore77 · 13/12/2023 20:09

@TheShellBeach interesting, there is a gap between ds1 and ds2. I didn't do the cosleeping thing with ds1, and it wasn't like this. I tried to do everything 'right' this time, but now it's backfired.

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sleepnomore77 · 13/12/2023 20:14

@ShirleyPhallus I am not now. Yes, ive got a monitor now instead to keep watch.

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sleepnomore77 · 13/12/2023 20:17

@maryjohnston thank you, will take a look.

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sleepnomore77 · 13/12/2023 20:30

Thank you everyone for your useful advise. This is night three, and anxiety is high as ever. This is the worst night. He is absolutely hysterical, and wants to come out the cot.

He has not napped for two days, whereas normally it is 2 hours a day. I assumed it's best to be consistent, otherwise if i boob him for naps, but not bedtime, it be confusing for him? I am getting more worried about his lack of sleep though :-/

There is no progression yet, he falling asleep due to sheer exhaustion rather than self soothing. I understand it can take a good week or so, but this is very very hard for my mothers heart. I keep switching between sticking it out, or try another method.

I now have a camera so i can see where he is when quiet.

He still falls asleep standing. I wish he would just lie down as most of his 'sleep' during the night is him going in and out of sleep standing banging his head against the cot. This is main problem now. He keeps falling asleep standing then bangs his head on the bar causing him to wake up again. I am worried he is hurting himself too. Does anyone know something safe to pad the bar with ?

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Wrongsideofpennines · 13/12/2023 20:35

My baby did the falling asleep sitting/standing. They eventually learnt that going to sleep lying down was much easier.

We got bedtime sorted first before doing naps. So still fed at nap time. I think otherwise it feels a bit like you've completely abandoned them as they get so much comfort from breastfeeding. And they're learning this really hard thing and it all feels really tough for them.

Hollyhead · 13/12/2023 20:42

He'll be completely overtired if not napping. Have you got any music or anything on in the room? If not maybe something like that would help?

AnneLovesGilbert · 13/12/2023 20:44

It’s going against your instincts and he must be beyond exhausted. You can stop and just cuddle him.

grumpytoddler1 · 13/12/2023 20:48

Bloody Nora you've done better than I would have done! I'd have given up on day 1! If it doesn't feel right then don't do it. He will get there eventually without any training.

I think it's clear this method doesn't work for all babies. I think it works best if you have a baby who already slept through but has stopped for some reason.

tdino · 13/12/2023 20:55

I'm sorry I haven't managed to read every post.

Did you read the book or just the chart.

I did it with my first, and it did work. Perhaps a week. BUT I had tried everything. And by everything I mean from cranial osteopathy to chair to pick up but down to sitting on floor holding her hand to a sleep person.

I read the book first, and was very consistent.

I also spent a lot of time preparing us both for it.

Big girls cot. Sleepy time. Quiet room. Etc etc.

tdino · 13/12/2023 20:57

Re the cot. Does he have to be there?

What about bed guards round a bed?

Would he climb it?

My sister in law did a floor bed for her first. Safe room. Floor double.

HappyCamperTent · 13/12/2023 20:57

Have you tried staying with him, lying with him to South him but not with boob?

HappyCamperTent · 13/12/2023 21:00

*sooth

its like you’ve gone cold turkey on him… boob to nothing.

Both of mine were co sleepers. 10yr old still a regular but she can sleep alone and fall to sleep alone.

I just stayed with them and slept with them but didn’t offer boob anymore

ILookAtTheFloor · 13/12/2023 21:01

AnneLovesGilbert · 13/12/2023 20:44

It’s going against your instincts and he must be beyond exhausted. You can stop and just cuddle him.

Completely agree. I didn't sleep train my two DDs at all and funnily enough at 8 and 13 they both sleep through the night very happily in their own beds. I co slept with both. Co sleeping with my 16 week old now and plan on doing the same. Why should night time parenting be any different from day time parenting?

I'd comfort an adult at night and in the day time but somehow we hold infants to a higher standard?!

sleepnomore77 · 13/12/2023 21:04

I need to find a way for him to stay in his cot, and sleep. I found him playing right on the edge of the bed after a few naps. He could have fell, and hurt himself. That, and i can't function on being woken up every 45 minutes. To be honest he didn't seem as well rested as could be either. I think it would do him good if he is able to sleep through. This method IS hard though, so very very hard. He has fallen asleep now. I told hubby to just rub his back til his falls asleep rather than go in for 1 minute than back out. I can't face watching him fall asleep standing, then bang his head against the cot, wake up screaming cycle over again.

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CountessSingingCloud · 13/12/2023 21:21

I'll be honest I don't know what the Ferber method is but it sounds very similar to the sleep training programme I used. Check out Taking Cara Babies - she factors in weaning them off the night feeds into the programme.

I'm so sorry first night was so rough but it truly does have to get worse before it gets better when you go down the sleep training route - but if you stick with it, it will work and then it's literally life changing!

Ignore the fake outrage from others, the sleep training programme I used is not cruel or neglectful. You can teach a baby the skill of a good night's sleep. They need teaching! It's a gift that will last them a lifetime!

Batnm · 13/12/2023 21:23

https://www.basisonline.org.uk/

I found this website very helpful when my son was a rubbish sleeper. I know the torture of sleep deprivation all too well.

My son’s sleep improved massively when we reduced night feeds and allowed him to sleep as much as he wanted during the day for about a week (it got him out of the overtired cycle).

Your son cannot be hungry every 45 minutes, he is probably giving himself stomach ache. Don’t go cold Turkey, feed him every couple of hours if it’s obvious he’s hungry.

In terms of getting him to sleep in his own cot, my advice is pick you battles. Keep putting him down at night but offer contract naps or whatever else gets him to sleep during the day. Once you have aced the nighttime then you can work on getting the naps in his own bed. An overtired baby is a nightmare so try and protect some sleep.

Don’t forget you have access to a health visitor. Don’t be afraid to use them.

BASIS – Baby Sleep Information Source

Research-based information on baby sleep for parents and practitioners, covering normal infant sleep, sleep safety, where and how babies sleep, SIDS and SUDI, parental sleep and free resources.

https://www.basisonline.org.uk/

Hollyhead · 13/12/2023 21:26

I think you might find having dad in there soothing to sleep is more successful and gentler than cold turkey. It’s what we did.