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What does crying it out actually mean practically?

103 replies

LittleMG · 17/01/2023 21:44

Hi everyone, yes we’re having to
cry it out. I can’t do it anymore. It’s so awful my little boy doesn’t understand why I won’t do what he wants.
how long will this take? hours days?
how many times a night will I have to sit here like this??
Ive done some research and I’m
in the room with him I can’t just shut the door on him. But no one says practically how long he’ll be able to cry for all night?? HELP XX

OP posts:
user2391 · 17/01/2023 22:08

Well depends on the baby, some will give into sleep quickly some will keep going for hours. How old is he? How does he usually get to sleep?

CCSS15 · 17/01/2023 22:17

I'm one of those evil parents that did CIO - it worked really well for the first and not as well for the second. We did both at 7 months old
First one
night 1 - 58 mins crying

Night 2 - 11 mins crying
Slept through ever since

Second one
Can't remember the timings but he wasn't as easy and woke up at times through the night but was easy to get back down - hes 2 now and has slept through for quite a while

Worth adding that they are still fully attached to me and the most loving boys without being overly clingy with no stunted development or whatever the critics say - they were both breast fed to past 12 months as well

LittleMG · 17/01/2023 22:24

@CCSS15 he was sick all over himself!! Cried for about 50 mins I thought he was falling asleep and he was really sick! I feel so bad 😢

OP posts:
CCSS15 · 17/01/2023 22:46

How old is he? I was lucky in that never had the vomiting

BabyOnBoard90 · 18/01/2023 00:41

Took a few nights but it worked.

Now the cry sounds more like a self-soothing moan before day naps. Night time DC goes down without a fuss usually. Sleeps from 7pm-4/5am.

People who can't stomach the cries (and tbh I don't think anyone enjoys the cries) dismiss CIO as cruel. But if anything, a child having a full night of uninterrupted sleep is beneficial for their development and wellbeing. It's actually a kind approach imo and an exemplar for great parenting (imo) I.e. there'll be many things you do that your child won't like nor enjoy, and will resist but ultimately its for their benefit.

Blufelt · 18/01/2023 00:50

You need to let your child cry for long enough to realise he’s been abandoned and nobody is coming. As long as he thinks you might respond to his cries with love and attention he’ll keep crying. When he finally gets the message he’s on his own then he’ll go quiet. Romanian orphanages were renowned for being silent, the babies didn’t cry because they knew nobody would come.

Judgyjudgy · 18/01/2023 00:55

Sorry OP, sleep deprivation is a killer. Please don't leave your baby to just cry. Firstly it depends on the age, they need to be more than 6 months. They also should have a good routine so they are having the right amount of sleep during the day as this will affect their sleep at night. Have a look at something called spaced soothing. This is where you gradually increase the time, so you only start with 1 minute, and then you cam build it up, your baby needs reassurance that you are still there. Can I suggest you do some proper research, as you want to do it properly. There's plenty of good advice out there, I would suggest getting a sleep consultant, it will be the best money you ever spend.

xxcatcatcatxx · 18/01/2023 00:58

Can you not get a duvet and pillow and some sleep next to him? This sounds heartbreaking for everyone involved.

NewNovember · 18/01/2023 00:59

It means you are a shit parent. Who leaves their baby to become so distressed they vomit. You chose to have a baby, and not sleeping much is a normal part of parenting a baby/young child.

Blufelt · 18/01/2023 01:02

Who leaves their baby to become so distressed they vomit
I thought that myself. Unbelievable.

GodspeedJune · 18/01/2023 01:05

The thought of leaving my little one to cry for almost an hour makes me feel ill. Please don’t do this to your son.

Mumofoneson5 · 18/01/2023 01:10

It’s called learned helplessness. You learn that no one is coming, so you shut down and go into survival mode and people call it training. But really you think your parents aren’t coming so keep your energy to survive.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/01/2023 01:12

Blufelt · 18/01/2023 00:50

You need to let your child cry for long enough to realise he’s been abandoned and nobody is coming. As long as he thinks you might respond to his cries with love and attention he’ll keep crying. When he finally gets the message he’s on his own then he’ll go quiet. Romanian orphanages were renowned for being silent, the babies didn’t cry because they knew nobody would come.

This.

Children crying themselves to sleep and vomiting? No thanks.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 18/01/2023 01:28

Mumofoneson5 · 18/01/2023 01:10

It’s called learned helplessness. You learn that no one is coming, so you shut down and go into survival mode and people call it training. But really you think your parents aren’t coming so keep your energy to survive.

That’s not what ‘learned helplessness’ is.

mackthepony · 18/01/2023 01:30

Don't close the door on him. Door always open no matter how exhausted you are

Littlebluedinosaur · 18/01/2023 01:33

😢

LittleMG · 18/01/2023 08:01

I was in with him and talking to him but he wants to get out of the bed and I wouldn’t get him out.

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Redebs · 18/01/2023 08:03

Crying it out creates a form of learned helplessness; a form of depression in the baby.

Don't do it. Babies who are given proper attention grow up with better mental health.

ChristmasTensions · 18/01/2023 08:08

Jesus. He was sick in himself and you’re carrying on with this misguided ‘parenting’ choice? It’s just cruel and damaging.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 18/01/2023 08:10

BabyOnBoard90 · 18/01/2023 00:41

Took a few nights but it worked.

Now the cry sounds more like a self-soothing moan before day naps. Night time DC goes down without a fuss usually. Sleeps from 7pm-4/5am.

People who can't stomach the cries (and tbh I don't think anyone enjoys the cries) dismiss CIO as cruel. But if anything, a child having a full night of uninterrupted sleep is beneficial for their development and wellbeing. It's actually a kind approach imo and an exemplar for great parenting (imo) I.e. there'll be many things you do that your child won't like nor enjoy, and will resist but ultimately its for their benefit.

I agree with this.

I did it with my daughter. I don't think it is cruel, it is important to teach babies how to go to sleep on their own. I dont like my babies crying, but needs must sometimes

ChristmasTensions · 18/01/2023 08:10

’I feel really bad’ - well, you should. Your child cried for almost an hour, to the extent he was sick on himself, he likely had no idea why you were refusing to cuddle and comfort him, and you’ve raised the cortisol in your precious baby’s body to extreme levels. Cruelty.

Matleavemummy · 18/01/2023 08:12

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Matleavemummy · 18/01/2023 08:15

Redebs · 18/01/2023 08:03

Crying it out creates a form of learned helplessness; a form of depression in the baby.

Don't do it. Babies who are given proper attention grow up with better mental health.

Could you link your source here please? Or quote the professor who conducted the study at least?

pebbles3004 · 18/01/2023 08:32

I knew the sleep police would be out for this one. I hate how cruel people are being to OP, she's clearly in a desperate situation and trying her best. Please be a bit kinder.

We did "sleep training" but we never left him to cry for longer than a few mins, and never let him get hysterical. We would go back in and lay him back down and rub his back until he was settled again, and then left him. He would stand up and cry again but we kept going in the cycle of going back in and doing the same thing again. The key for us was consistency, and being boring. Don't pick him up (we rubbed his back), only say the same things over and over. He quickly learnt exactly what to expect, but also learnt we were right there outside the door and he wasn't abandoned.

They say sleep breeds sleep and I very much agree with that. Since we did this, he has slept SO much better through the night (as he was able to roll over and go back to sleep himself if he woke through the night rather than calling us in to help him). I'm a light sleeper so I know he doesn't make a peep.

We also can't underestimate the importance of mum being well - in both a physical and mental sense - and for a lot of people, getting some kind of decent sleep is a main factor for both of those things.

Let's be a bit kinder and give support/help to mums who are asking for it, rather than just call her a shit mum.

WellRested · 18/01/2023 09:17

Honestly people are ridiculous, as a PP has said, keep it consistent, soothing but boring! For some gradual retreat works better (you being in room to begin with) for some not being in the room works better as you aren't a distraction. Mine got restless if I was in the room, if I left, asleep in 2 mins, no crying.

I never understand the crazy reaction to this, it's not just closing the door and leaving the baby for hours screaming, you check on them at frequent intervals so they do 'know you are coming back' but they know that when you do come back it's just for a quick bumpat and a 'its bedtime sweetie, night night' rather than a full song and dance breastfeed, self flagellation entertaining performance.

They then realise that bedtime is for sleeping not playing/eating and get bored and fall asleep, then when they wake up in the night they know it's fine to go back to sleep.

It's like dropping a kid off at childcare, people who work in childcare know that 9 times out of 10 once the parent is out of sight out of mind the child stops being upset and that long protracted goodbyes and rituals make it worse. If you applied the same insane response to childcare drop off as people do to sleep training you would just have nurseries full of parents hovering next to screaming children (and frustrated childcare workers just wishing they would all fuck off so they could get on with their day)

People act as if their kids don't cry EVER if they avoid sleep training, it's BS there is no such thing as a child that doesn't cry at some point, if they cried and tantrummed for 20 mins over a chocolate biscuit would you give in to them if you had already said no? If not then by this logic surely that's 'child abuse' too, 'I could NEVER leave my child crying without a chocolate biscuit, those poor kids in Romanian orphanages were silent as they weren't given chocolate biscuits the second they asked for one.' Give me a break.

OP you do you, would recommend properly following a set system and being boring rather than being inconsistent and making it up as you go along. They shouldn't be getting to the point where they are sick, I think your presence in the room is probably making it worse rather than better, good luck and don't let the crazies let you feel bad, thousands of parents do this and very quickly end up with well rested children, they are well rested and get quality of life back, rather than being cling-martyrs who can only make themselves feel better about their chronic sleep deprivation by shouting at people on the internet!

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