SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 8 -- Pack the bags under your eyes and join us!

[RoRoMommy]

Well...I had to think of something! DH's suggestion "Eyes wide shut--the art of sleepwalking"

It's next week in Enfield. So maybe the week after that would be best?

What days don't you work, Ginger?

Mon and Tues but not sure that fits with EP's days so organise it around yourselves and if I can fit in I'll try.

hurrah! We managed four hours last night - and then I woke everyone up with horrible gallstone pain...
We've co-slept from the start with varying degrees of success, you're right everyone, it makes it so much easier.

Am happy for a meetup soon.
EP, are we going to Coram's next Wed?

Hello everyone. I'm busy at the mo, but will try to poop back later. Hello (super)meebles you have definitely come to the right place .

DS2 slept until 6.10 this morning, miracles do happen.

It's funny a vaguely remember a time when 6.10 would have felt hideously early .

Amber, yes if you;re still around. Would that be too short notice, Meg?

I think I could make it, what time of day were you thinking? For me the best time of day would probably be morning, then I could give DS lunch out, and probably count on him having a nap on the way home...

yeah morning is good for me too, maybe around 10?

10ish should be fine with me, I can get the train to Kings X after the rush hour! Is there somewhere obvious to meet?

Right I promised I'd pop back. DH is home tomorrow, thank goodness. DS1 is really tired as it's his last week of school. He's still only 4 poor little chap and he finds full time school really tough. The result of which is that he is really emotional and difficult to deal with. So from 5pm onwards I had at least 2 children screaming at me until they all went to bed at 7.

aaaaaaaaah!!!

I really hope they all sleep through tonight because I need a break!

DS2 is still much improved, but is still a naptime horror. This results in him being tired much of the time and today he has cried everytime I've put him down. I think yet another tooth is coming.

Despite all of this I am feeling surprisingly cheerful. Enjoy your meet up all you gals from the big city!!

May your nights be quiet and peaceful!

Hi Charlie

I have a confession to make... I am a bad person. I have a friend whose first LO slept through at 10 weeks and who was always telling me that babies shouldn't need a night feed by 4 months, you mustn't co-sleep, etc etc. She now has a second DC who is going through the 4mo sleep nightmare that we all know and love, waking every two hours etc. Am I wrong to be secretly a teeny, tiny, weeny bit pleased?

Meg, I would be the same! All smug parents deserve a second horror non-sleeper child

we've got fever, a new tooth, general crankiness and a 10 minute nap (?!) to contend with today.
to add insult, i've somehow injured my foot, so will now have to hobble to the cafe for my coffee, i should probably just stay at home and rest that foot, but after only 10 mins of naptime respite, i think i'm going to go mad if i don't have some serious caffeine and pastries NOW.

Oh dear... go and get that coffee & Danish now!

We had a bit of a naptime breakthrough. He was taking ages to settle and I needed the loo so I just left him in his cot, and by the time I got back he was asleep! That has never happened in the daytime before. This was an hour ago and he is still down

That's good news Meg!

Are you feeling better after your sugar fix, Amberjee?

my LO has fallen asleep for the last 2 nights by listening to lullabies and not on the breast! I am whispering in case he realises and decides not to anymore...

meg- forgot to say I smiled a tiny smile at your friend's reality check. I think that just makes us human!

yeah, the coffee totally did the trick. and i bought a pizza from sainsbury for dinner, as dh has been at work until 3am every night this week and i'm over it, don't want to cook. so pizza it is ;)

Hi everyone!

I have not read all this thread as it is so long but I guess from the title of the thread there are a lot of people here with experience of LO's nocturnal wakings!!

My ds 15 weeks seems to be getting worse. He is waking up to 6 times a night and will only settle back to sleep with breastfeeding. I know he does not need the milk and I am trying to implement the No cry sleep solution but it's impossible to get him off the breast until he's good and ready. The longest period he seems to sleep is about 2 hours.

I am feeding him every 3 hours in the day to try to ensure he has enough.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what I can do as it's starting to really get to me.

Hi hillbilly - I don't have much time to spare but here's my brief thoughts:

He might need the milk - if feeding helps him go back to sleep, roll with it! NCSS is really good but don't expect rapid results and at 15 weeks it's still really really early to 'train' them, IMO. You are approaching a classic 'bad sleep' stage (most people seem to arrive in here at 4 months, it seems, and the gang who originally started it had 4 month old babies too ). There's a good article on sleep regressions on 'Ask Moxie' (a blog, can't link you to it right now but someone will I'm sure).

Basically, my advice is do whatever it takes to get yourself and your baby to sleep and forget about the rest. Bad habits can be changed later, but my experience is that they change and grow out of things so fast there's no point stressing about it because they drop their preferred habits randomly anyway.

I have a nearly 7 month old and I remember your stage like yesterday (possibly because I've been awake since them, or so it feels!) but things are loads easier if you can go with the flow. Have you considered co-sleeping? It really helps a lot of people through this stage. I still cosleep for much of the night = otherwise I'd get no rest at all.

Hi to all the regs, well done on successes (Meg!) and hope everyone is well. No time just now (work ) and V V V tired but hanging on in there .

Brief?

Hi Hillbilly-

Here's the link IARCFB was talking about... here

I have only be hanging about on this thread for a week or so, my LO is 4 months and has followed the same pattern yours has. He's no better yet, but I am much more chilled! I can second everything IARCFB says, and add that reading this thread will also make you feel more human, less anxious and supported!

Hello Hillbilly Would also echo advice on relaxing about sleep training for now - honestly things change so fast at that age that if you follow a plan you're playing catch-up the whole time. That said, if you do find a plan that works, all power to you.

Next Wed good for me, 10am fine. We have two options: Coram's fields followed by lunch at Russell Square (veggie cafe) or Museum of Childhood followed by lunch somewhere else (not sure about places in Bethnal Green tho there's a good Italian cafe that may be baby-friendly). The weather is a factor as CF is outdoors so not good in the rain.

Hope the rest of you are enjoying the sunny weekend - it's lovely and bright here but COLD.

Oh and Ask Moxie is here:

moxie.blogs.com/askmoxie

i'm good for either. will be good if the weather is nice to be outside. of course if it's cold and raining, another story. ds normally has a nap around 12, so not sure how lunch will go, but could give it a try.

we are having a rotten sleep time again! i'm having to sleep in ds room on the floor all blardy night.

hi girls, sorry, popped in before and then didnt reappear
amber for the crappy nights. hope you get some rest soon
meg i thought the fact that you were a teensy bit pleased about about your friend's non sleeping no. 2 was funny....
Hi EP, ginger, charlie and {roro...i think youre in disguise as iate..?}

oh, and a big hello to the newbies

well, we've had some brill nights and some bloody dire ones too. dd has decided that she likes going to bed at 9.30-10pm atm and then napping late in the day. am not liking that scenario, so was a bit mean and woke her earlier today, in the hope that she'll go to bed earlier tonight {finger's x'd}
meg and EP how are the lo's settling now? i'm still staying with dd until she goes to sleep, so was very impressed with meg's lo self settling for a nap