SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEK part 7 -- prop your eyes open with matchsticks here

[MegBusset]

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CM how did the cranio osteopath go?

Glad your night was a little better. Sending positive vibes your way. Have you got anyone close by that could give you a bit of a break for a bit so you can have some me time? Sounds like you deserve some.

ginger for your restless night too lovely, flippin teeth eh?? grrrrrrr
and youre at work too? hope you dont have to work too hard today

ours could be: teething/german measles/snotty cold/walking (as in she's just started walking properly) which shall i choose

charlie for your improved night my lovely. you certainly deserve it. 2nd ginger's idea about asking someone else to share the load for an hour or two. get out and have a bit of 'me' time...... or just curl up somewhere and sleep!

ginger for your lie in tho!!!!!

Another question Charliemama (sorry) have I, or anyone else fro that matter, asked if you have a sling? If your DS2 is wahting to be held all the time it might help. Can they go in a back carry at four months? I can't remember but that might help. My DD has always favoured the sling, hates being in her buggy and loves being on my back. Amber, EP and Meg also have slings that they use a lot. Just give you a bit of sanity

Tibs, we've got a proper little walker here too. In the last week. She thinks it's so funny and is so excited about walking and it is sooooo cute seeing her toddle towards me arms outstretched with a massive beam on her face. It does get better and better doesn't it?

Ginger: The Co was nice, but it was hard to tell what exactly he was doing. He said Ds2 was tense around his diaphragm and ribs and the back of his neck. Dh was mightly pissed off that I had taken him as we are tight for money this month and dh thinks its all a load of b***ks! I haven't noticed a massive change apart from the longer sleeping period first part of the night. I am seeing him again on Sat (in total it will have cost us £80 ) so I am hoping he will say that he has done all he can do after that as I am not sure we can realistically afford the 2 sessions let alone any more!!! And tbh I'm not really sure if its making any real difference.

morning

ginger and tibs yay for your walking lo's. ii does justget better and better imo

CM glad you got a better night. any luck with co?

beal if it feels like an ok night then count it as one! (we don't get many so you have to grab what you can )

our night good
bed at 7.30 (medised for cold)
woke at 5.30 (but convinced him to go back to sleep by saying 'look how dark it is'....bless him)
woke at 7.45 for day

Ours was about 45 quid a session and we had about 4 or 5 sessions before they said it wasn't worth carrying on. It felt like mumbo jumbo to me but some people swear by it so I was happy to give it a go. Tell DH that you can't put a price on saving your sanity. Sounds to me like he needs to babsit for a few hours on Saturday while you have some rest and relaxation. Even if it's window shopping on your own for a while. That way he might get a sense of what you're dealing with.

x post CM. well the tightness the co talked of would confirm what you think about wind/colic/reflux wouldn't it?

have you asked fo a second opinion on reflux?
you're bf'ing aren't you? is there anyhting ds could be allergic too that's apssing through from your b milk?

Dh has been supportive in other ways. We had a row followed by a frank talk last night. He is feeling frustrated and left out. He wants to help but doesn't always agree with my methods and so gets cross because he wants to try different tactics. I can understand where he is coming from even if I haven't expressed it very well here. I don't want to do it his way, and he doesn't want to do it my way so we are working on reaching a middle ground! He has told me to go out for the day and leave all 3 los with him, he also suugested that I stay at my mums for the night. He wants to help honestly! sometimes when I rant about him I forget to say all the supportive stuff he does.

CM, i don't know where you live but there is a children's osteo clinic in clerkenwell london, walkable from angel, where it is run on a voluntary donation basis. they are very good i think, though i didn't see any concrete results with ds. the guy talked a lot about sleep maturity. i guess that's what its all about in the end.

i'm glad your dh is supportive cm, it's hard when they want to do it a different way. mine just follows my ideas and never has any ideas of his own, and sometimes when i don't know what to do anymore, i get frustrated that he doesn't have a new idea!! but he's good really.

we had a good night. dh swears that he got up at 1am to settle ds, but i don't beleive him becasue i don't remember waking up at that time and i am very quick to wake at noises, so i think dh is confusing it with another night . i fed ds at 3.30, then he slept to 6.30.

again, am scared of clocks going back!

Morning all

So many messages! Let's see if I can get through them all...

Leo hope your night was OK. 4/5mo was the worst point for us and it has got better since then.

Beal 9.30 to 3.30 is a good stretch! I find after 4ish I don't feel so bad about wakings if I've had a bit of kip beforehand.

Tibs for your night, hope you get some rest today.

Charlie glad your night was OK Would def. recommend a sling or carrier, we had a ring sling when he was tiny, then a Mothercare front carrier, now an Ergo.

Ginger for teeth but for walking. I've found DS is a lot happier now he can crawl, he just loves it Are you co-sleeping again? I can't remember

Tam for your night

Hi to Amber and EP and anyone else I've forgotten

Ours was good, bed at 8 (later than usual as I'm trying to minimise the effect of clocks going back), woke at 11 (DH resettled) then nothing til 4.45! Fed but then as I put him back in the cot he did a huge Exorcist-style vom all over the cot so had to change bedsheets and turn the mattress over, by which time he was wide awake and took til 6 to get back to sleep. But then he did sleep til 8 so I'm not complaining.

oh no for the vom! sounds like a decent night otherwise..

meg 11-4.45 is very good

One thing I think I can offer advice on as a wise old mother of three (Ironic emoticon) is do not stress too much about the clock changes. I was really worried every time this happened but tbh it was never as bad as I envisioned. Things seemed to adjust and settle down on their own.

charliemama, don't worry, I moan about my DH all the time and he's actually a really wonderful man and attentive father. I worry that I make him out to be something he's not too. Take him up on his offer, even if it's just for the day. You need a break. Me and my DH were exactly the same in the begining but he has come around to my way of thinking. In the early days he'd have been happy to leave DD to cry but he wouldn't do it these days. Has he got any suggestions that you could adapt?

CM: glad you had a slightly better night. Yay for the other good nights out there. Ours was not great but more or less drug-free [clutching at straws] oh, and DS's cold is easing off . He scares the life out of me when he gets wheezy, but it seems to be something that happens with a cold - one to keep an eye on I think.

Amber: what about next weds at the cafe? Sorry to hear about your DH's four weeks away . DH is also looking at weekend working, as we are completely broke at the moment (and then some). It will even out once we move next year, but a bit of a worry atm. I hate the thought of him working all weekend though .

what's with the hats??

am assuming MNHQ have gone all halloween on us!

sounds like a lot of crappy nights with a few good stretches.

(just wanted to see the halloween hats!)

fabbo night here - bed at 7pm...heard a bit of chatting at 6.30 (i ignored! and up at...wait for it....7.50am! a true lie in! ...and, wait for it...a 55min nap this morning, and he is back in bed now!

please let it last!

and sorry i'm all happy when the rest of you are all having shitty wakings!..., console yourselves with the fact it is only 4wks til I have a newborn screaming the place down

EP,don't worry my dh isn't going anywhere without me! i was just mentioning a friend of mine who would make a good male nanny, but he has a 4 day a week job now

i have to go to the whittington next wed for breast scan thing but i can't remember what time so get back to you on that.

The hats seem to have gone!

I seem to have agreed to go out tonight with mums from my new baby group . The place they're going is only 10 minutes' walk from home so I am hoping that I can squeeze in a meal and a glass of wine and be back without DS waking. It's my first night out since he was born -- and I have nothing to wear!

booo i missed the hats.