SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEK part 7 -- prop your eyes open with matchsticks here

[MegBusset]

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lol - didn't explain that very well did i (sounds like it emits odours of strawberry syrup!) same as the karvol ones - but seems to be more of a blend of menthol, lavender, chamomile etc so not too strong!

hee hee, i got it now

thnaks all. skirmiah will look out for the plug in? (can you get it in sainsbury/tesco?) as ds is normally soaked in baby olbas oil when he has a cold and it def helps so a plug in could be good.

sounds like most nights were respectable enough

amber as tibs said def keep plotting something will come up. IMO a p/t person to come a few mornings a week would be ideal as you could introuce him/her very slowly until ds was familiar and then try leaving him for 15 mins, 30 mins, hour etc.
have heard that male nanny's (mannies!) are excellent you know. what about a mature student who has some free hours and needs the cash (just an idea?)

Sounds like OK nights, Amber and Tibs . Yay for your 7-7 Skirmish

Tam: for the cold. DS was really unwell last night, high temp (despite medised and ibuprofen), coughing and really wheezy. He settled pretty well after about 1am though think there was even aq 4 hr stretch there! Now pottering around choming on an apple to think we are over the worst . This happened last time, he was really ill for a day or so then got over it. Think his immune system must be better than mine! Am also feeling a bit coldy so hope it doesn't develop.

Amber: sorry the creche didn't work out. It did seem quite pricy (I think you have to pay extra for the creche as well as the membership) so not orth it unless it was convenient. Let me know if you want to meet for a coffee - I'm happy to run aruind after 2 babies if you want to read the paper

Tam I've got a male friend who i met in india who lives in london and practices yoga. he's always taken jobs based on just making enough to get by and doesn't reallymind what he does as long as it's not too stressful and not too time consuming. he writes on the side. anyway, we just to joke before ds was born that he would be my yoga babysitter. i think it's time to find out if that could actually become a reality. i'm pretty sure he'd be really good with ds, he's kind of a child himself.

the creche was £5 per 2 hour session which i thought was quite good, but unless i was going at least twice a week and committed for a year, it probably wouldn't be worth it. i would have been happy to pay on a casual basis though (even if it cost a it more in the long run) to avoid the committment.

EP, whenever you want coffee i'm all yours we could meet up at the newington green cafe sometime if you want. i just found most of the groups i take ds to are closed for school break [sigh], so im trying to get inspired about things to do - am even considering the zoo!!

Meg, I have been thinking about setting up yoga group. but in the end i think part of this drive is to get a little self-time as well which isn't going to happen if i do it with ds in the room. i mean, i can always just practice at home while ds naps, or even when he's awake, but it's not the same as having a dedicated space where you can switch of from babies/home/dishes/etc for a bit.
that said there is a really nice space around the corner from where i live that only costs £12 an hour to hire out. if i feel energetic in 2008, i might see if i can do some teaching for mums and bubs or some such.

Morning all and glad most nights were OK, apart from colds!

Ours was so-so, wakings around 11-11.30, 2ish, 5 (fed) and 7.30 for the day. I am convinced he is teething though no signs of them coming through still. Was a nightmare to settle for his nap this morning and screamed in my arms for 20 minutes .

meg for the screaming abdabs. dd seemed to be teething forever before any actually came through. its so tough for the poor lo's yay for no milk til 5am tho, wish i had the same willpower, i'm a complete blardy wimp. back on it tonight tho [must be stong emoticon]

EP for poorly ds but for that 4 hr stretch. keep it up lo

tams - i got the plug in in sainsburys (was originally looking for the karvol one, but didn't have it) and, the calpol one was on special too

i seem to have stolen someones good sleeper put ds down for nap this morning, no cuddling/patting etc and he was asleep within 20mins (played with toys for a little while in cot - but quietly, yay!) and then have just put him down for a nap now and he was asleep in 5mins, and not a peep! can't last can it!?

ep for poorly ds - would be so much easier if they could tell you what is wrong!

megs - aaarrggghhh for 20min screaming session - i'm well aware of what they are like!

amber - get your mannie on board - he sounds like great fun - a real free spirit, bet your ds would love playing silly buggers with him while you had some 'me' time

off to eat chocolate for lunch

blah, just spoke to my 'mannie' on the phone and he's taken a blardy 4 day a week live in job. sigh. oh well.

skirmish - lucky you. wonder if i could swap dd for a sleeper?!!! am still bfing her to sleep for her 1 nap a day she woke after 45mins today and was grumpy bf her again and shes gone back off!

amber - tis a pity love. back to the drawing board something will turn up, i'm sure

DS fell asleep on his tummy for his lunchtime nap today (kept rolling over as I tried to settle him on his back, soafter 10 mins of wrestling I just let him). He's been asleep for an hour without a peep so I just had to sneak in and check he was still OK!

I wonder if it might be worth putting him on his tummy to sleep at night? Do any of you do that?

Meg, I always put LO on his backto sleep, but as soon as he started to roll he preferred to sleep on his tummy so i just left him to it. your ds is prob not far off choosing his own sleeping position anyway.

Meg, DD slept much better once she'd discovered how to roll. For a while she'd get cranky because she couldn't roll back but these days thankfully she's sorted it. And, yes i use a fleece blanket over the sheepskin I think the sheepskin is lovely and snuggly but DH thinks it tickles her face so we put a fleece blanket over. My brother bought me a couple from John Lewis that are lovely but I've also got some el-cheapo versions from Asda or tesco or somesuch. Those ones aren't very big but enough to be snuggly underneath her head and body.

Amber, you had a such a rotten time with the creche. They do take a little time to settle in and of course he's at that classic seperation anxiety age. Can you get DH to take over on a Saturday morning on a semi regular basis so you can get an hour or two of me time?

I just wanted to say hello. I am planning n early night tonight. I have had a pretty crap day, but I'm too tired to think or talk about it anymore! Ds2 is still really demanding and to be hoest if someone offered me the choice between a whole nights sleep or a content baby in the day, I'd choose the latter!! I really thought by 17 weeks he would at least sit and watch things around him for a little while. Don't know what else to say really apart from finding this thread has helped, so thankyou.

Sleep tight Charliemama, lets hope tomorrow is a better day.

oh charlie - we've all had days like that - it will get better I used to tell myself that I must have the worst baby in history - but I know how lucky I am really!

Have an early night, try to rest, relax and catch up on some zzz's - hopefully, you'll have a better day tomorrow (and we are always here for you to rant and rave - and we never judge!)

meg - ds sleeps on his tummy now (with his kness tucked under him and his bum up in the air!) but for a while I kept rolled up towels wedged either side of him as he would roll over, sleep and then wake up in a panic because he couldn't get back - though sounds like your ds is quite content - i'd be tempted to leave him

crikey its hard to keep up with his thread! Every time I get a moment to log in there are a load more entries. It is a great help to read other mums daily trials.

Charliemama I am sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time I am sure the others are right and things will move on for you.

ds still waking us 3 to 5 times a night and we are walking around like zombies. I suspect my son is younger (5 and half months) than most of your babies and that things will get better as he gets older

Anyway goodnight to you all and good luck for the night ahead

my dd is watching me do this and wants me to insert a smile for you all

Goodnight

meg - both my ds sleep on their fronts. ds1 from about 2 weeks and ds2 from day2. it's how i sleep so i dont know if that is genetic or anything, but i personally dont see a problem with it as long as you know all the things to watch out for. eg. when ds2 was in moses basket we had to have a cotton sheet to keep it cooler and make sure that he was in the centre so the air could circulate around him, it ultimately meant that he didn't stay in moses basket long, ubt that doesn't bother me! as long as they can move their head you're fine. i obviously wouldn't say everyone do it, you just have to do what works for you, if it meant i got some sleep, then i did it

Charlie - hope today is better for you and that you woke up feeling refreshed this morning!

does anyone else think it might be time for anew thread, we're all so chatty on here!!! i wouls do it, but dont have a clue how to link it.....

we had an ok night, bed at 7, woke at 9:30, woke at 3:30, 4:30 and 5:30, then back to bed at 6:30..........not all that ok at all if you lok at it like that

morning all

crappy night for us many, many wakings punctuated by a 2hr long one
'its just a phase' 'its just a phase'

charlie for your day lovely. i hope you had some respite last night and have a better day today. i do remember dd going through this, it was miserable , i couldnt seem to do anything right, except its not a case of what you do right or wrong, its just a stage, and it will get better. (((hugs)))

leo it will get easier for you too. bless your dd for wanting to give us a

beal - dont worry, we've got up to 1001 messages!! for your ok night

meggy - dd got to the stage where she wanted to sleep on her tummy and still does. i think i posted on here the first time she did it in a panic. she'll be ok, shes turning over well now isnt she? (((hugs)))

hope there were some good ones last night

I did have a better night. Ds2 went to bed at about 6.30 and didn't wake until 12!!! Then ds1 wet the bed at 1.30, ds2 woke at 2.30, 5 and was hard to settle back in his cot so after a couple attempts a brought him in with me and fed him lying down and we slept until dd woke us up at 7.30.

So am feeling a bit better about life, but now ds2 is back to being very uncomfortable and unsettled so I am slightly dreading the day ahead.

Sorry to hear about the rough nights for the rest of you.

As for sleeping on their fronts. All of mine do!! Ds1 used to be wedged on his side until he was old enough to roll. DD slept on her back until she was old enough to roll. Ds2 has been sleeping on his front since 9 weeks. Mind you it did used to terrify me, but now he can roll onto his back.

Ahh Tibs, we also had a very restless night. I'm convinced it's the molars as poor little love was rolling around struggling to get comfy for ages and crying on and off. I administered the calpol and it settled her a little but we were awake A LOT. I ended up sleeping in a very odd position and woke with a very sore neck. Still, the one good thing was that she slept until 6.45 which is virtually unheard of. I of course had to get up at 6.15 for work but still. I realise however that it's just in preparation for those flippin clocks going back.

Beal, this is a new thread you can get 1001 entries on a thread before needing a new one but we're such a bunch of gossips that it gets used up quite quickly. We should probably just move to a continual chat thread but that stops newcomers from joining in with their sleepless woes. Some of us have been here for months and months hence why we sometimes forget to talk about sleep issues lol