SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEK part 7 -- prop your eyes open with matchsticks here

[MegBusset]

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Hi everyone!

Meg, I have your cute DS looking up at me from the Grauniad as I type! What a beautiful photo.

Hi Baz How is work going?

For those who missed his moment of fame, it was a comp to send in a pic of what your family was up to at 4pm on a Sunday. Will link ot the website if they put it up there!

Chilbi, jury is still out on the CO. He says he can feel tighjtness around the diaphragm and he is working to help with this. If my DH could see him he'd go beserk as its hard to see that he is doing anything!
Ds was unsettled and fretfull today don't know if this was due to his treatment or not. I'll let you know how he slept tommorrow.

Have also put Ds onto Gaviscon because he displays symptons of reflux. I know I should try 1 treatment at a time but tbh I just want a happy, pain free baby.

I really feel for you and I hope you had a better day.

we had the night from hell.
so much for night weaning. LO didn't eat all night, refused my many many many desperate offers of milk. He would not blardy go to sleep. Not in our bed. Not after nurofen. He just screamed. and screamed. and screamed. since 12.30. i cried when he rolled when i was trying to change his nappy. that is how crap i feel.
he has made a miraculous recovry this morning.though he won't have milk.

theories anyone? teeth? i thought if it was teeth, a dose of nurofen would sort him out.
extreme separation anxiety? but he couldn't evn sleep in our bed. like he couldn't get to sleep at all. and if he did, he'd just wake up shortly after.

f*ck me. he is still refusing milk to add to the equation.

at one point when he was sleeping, i had toget up and express becasue my boobs were going to explode. what a wasteof precious sleeping time. now have 200mL in the fridge though for bottle practice!

amber fro you all. what a difficult night. i'm sure it was a one off as he's never done that before. maybe he had bad wind in which case no pain relief works.
as you said at least you have 200ml of bm to try him with the bottle. maybe dh could do that tonight for one of his feeds.

good night here
ds and i sat in the bedroom in the pitch black and watched the halloween foreworks display 8-8.30. he loved it.
i put him in bed and he was asleep by 8.45
woke at 7.30 for day (real time 6.30)

have changed all the clocks. feels weird it only being 8.30 yet i've put laundry on, tidied up, made bed, ds has had breakfast and is dressed and dh has gone out for a run.
hope there were some good nights out there.

hi BAZ

fireworks

Hiya

Amber who knows, but as Tam said, it's so unusual that hopefully it's a one-off. I would guess teeth, you know sometimes you have a headache or something and even Nurofen won't shift it. Have you tried Medised?

Tam for your night.

Ours was pretty good:

Bed at 8
Woke 12.30 with leaky nappy so changed, was screaming head off so fed , hope that won't come back to haunt me tonight!
Woke 4 (GMT) for a feed
Woke 6.15 for the day.

Now trying to keep him going til 9 for his nap so then we'll be back to normal with the time...

Tam unfortunately it happened the night beforeas well. it's just htat the timing was better and we got himto sleep at 1am and then he slept for 5 hours. but hte first stretch of the night was exactly the same. sigh. we may be in for a long week!

glad you two had good nights. a firework scared LO last night from our nextdoor neighbours.

i'm interested how LO can be so terrible inthe night and now he's completely fine (albeit refusing milk). about to read about nursing strike on kellymom, see what htat's all abou.

the medised will be out tonight, if it happens again!

amber ds did this around 9 months and again around a year because i remember looking up about night terrors thinking he migt be having bad dreams it only lasted a few nights, a week max on both occasions.

sorry forgot that he did it last night. Think because the timing was better and you managed some sleep and a lie in I had stored it in my mind as a good night!

thanks tam. it does seem like nightmares doesn't it. he seems scared or something. oh dear, now he's sucking the tube on my breast pump. must be time for a nap or something!

los all had a lie in today. Hurray! Unfortunately ds2 was again unsettled after feeds in the night. He went to bed at 6.50 and settled himself. i was feeling very chuffed, but then he was crying at 7.30 and fed to sleep AAAAAARGH! Then awake at 11.50, 4.00, 5.30, 6.30 and finally up at 8 (all based on old times!) Was very depressed when had to set clocks back.

Both my other 2 had settled by this age but ds2 is just so demanding during the day. My house is unbeleivably messy and unclean. I want some order back in my life. Time to do little jobs like put the washing away. I don't iron or wash windows. But i do have some standards! It is really beginning to get me down because I have no idea when it might start to get better. If its reflux in can last until they're a year. Help.

You have my full sympathys Amber.

hi all!!

chibi how did your night pan out after very little naps?

amber for your night just doesnt cover it love. it sounds horrendous. dont know what it could be other than maybe night terrors. poor lo and poor you. hope you manage to get some respite today and that dh is around to take the strain xx

tam for your night lovely

meg for yours too. youre seeing great strides lately. you deserve it

charlie for your night lovely. i'm another who doesnt iron or wash windows and i only have the 1 littley, so no excuse for me! dont feel bad, it'll all come right. chin up, youre doing a fantastic job

hi ibs nice to 'see' you!

our night ok, not as good as one before but better than recent ones

8pm bed
1am restless, rubbed back
restless a few more times
woke at 5.30am (old time) fed
awake for an hour
woke at 9am (old time)

how are we all this afternoon?
we've had great day. met friends and their dc for breakfast then went for walk in the botanical gardens and home for ds's nap. he's been alseep since 12!

Ha! i've discovered a benefit to having a crap sleeper! The clocks changing didn't make a bit of difference to us-dd went to bed at usual time, was awake for just over an hour at around 3 (so not too bad-some nights it's been 2.5 hours recently) and then woke up at 8.45 (all old time).

Bumped into 2 friends whilst out today, both of whom are advocates of a certain strict 7-7 routine (and who frequently tell me that dd doesn't sleep through because I havent followed this)and they were both complaining of being tired as their dc had woken up at 6am and were now being difficult due to having to wait an extra hour for meals etc.

It did make me feel good to be able to say that dd hadn't woken up til 7.45 new time (and I conveniently left out the hour we were up in the night). The other benefit is of course, that even had she not woken late, losing an hours sleep really wouldn't have thrown me, I'm so damn used to it!

Amber, so sorry you had such a bad night. I know what you mean about crying over small things, that was me last week, and I even yelled at dd and made her cry when she was fighting me over changing her nappy-that did not make me feel good.
It does sound as though it might be teeth, I often find offering a 2nd dose of medication later helps(obviously after the 3-4 hour gap they recommend!)and giving a teething powder in between seems to stop any frantic crying.

hi all!!

tam - your day sounds lovely. we've been at home today, but dp has finally put up a new garden fence to replace the one that was blown down months ago, yay!!! just had a lovely tea (cooked by moi!!)

clairey, i like that attitude!!! but shame on you for not following the 7 - 7 rule yeah, right, like its that easy......smug so and so's!!
we've had a couple of 2.5hrs wakings lately too, must be something in the air...its the pits

EP - hope youve been having a nice day today and lo ok

ginger - hope your night was better

dd only had 1 x 30min nap today yikes!!!! lord knows what tonight will bring [scared mama emoticon]
wishing you all good nights, esp amber and charlie x

Hello Clairy, Ime the parents of 'easy' babies are on the whole just lucky, but because they've got 1 they think its something they've done. I know of 3 families where the first was a good sleeper. (1 of these extolled the joys of the 7-7 routine you mentioned), but when they had their 2nd boy did they have a shock. I have to say it was mildly satisfying to see their struggles after they had been so smug first time round. I find it frustrating that there now seems to be a pressure to 'get it right'. Who knows which ones slept well as babies once they're older anyway.

Sorry a bit of a rant there but the 'if you do it this way your baby will sleep' attitude really annoys me as it just adds to my own self doubt.

Yeah I hate the way they are always so smug about it! It might work for them but I don't think any one way can work for everyone. Even if it did work for everyone in as much as getting certain results (like babies sleeping through by 6 weeks or whatever), that still doesn't neccesarily make it right for everyone-I know i'd have been miserable following it and to me dd sleeping through isn't worth forcing myself to follow a routine I don't like!
Anyway, that's my rant on the subject, I know what you mean about self doubt but it was my turn to feel smug today

Evening all, cant really remember what our night was like but know that both DCs got up at 5:30 old time...so 4:30! but df got up with them and i didn't get up till 8:30 new time!! lovely!!! am readt for bed now though!

hopig for a good night tonight, i reckon he's goig to sleep through!!!!! who am i trying to kid? myself i think!!

hope everyone has some sleep!!!

the clocks haven't affected us either.. ds had 2 x 2 hour naps today (catching up on last night i suppose) so he went to bed later than usual, even on the new time!
anyway, all is pretty crap at the moment. dh can't get out of bed with migraine. so i'm doing everything. can't believe how tiring it is. now have to make some dinner. phew.

bealcain, yeah i reckon my ds is definitely going to sleep through tonight too

and i'm with you on the smug parents with easy babies. hope their next one is a horror who will only sleep on their chest.

CM hope the osteopath helps. Nothing to loose is there? Why don't you tell DH that you'll give it 3 or 4 sessions (?) and if it doesn't work you'll use the money to get a cleaner and you're so right about the fingers up to being told what's right and wrong. I get really naffed off with people telling me that if I follow their advice DD would sleep.

Meggy, got the paper and what a bonny little fella. My heart quite melted when I looked at his lovely little face. He really is looking grown up. Proper little man.

Amber for your night. It probably was teeth or something. You can give calpol and nurofen if need be. When DD had a temperature the nurse said that you can give one and then about an hour later give the other. Sometimes you need a good dose to make it work. (PS not medised and calpol as they're both paracetamol).

Clairebee, glad you managed a little smugness, about time the mummy of a non sleeper had the upper hand.

Tibsy, your night sounded OK, and Tam good for you another great night. DH took over last night after having a week off due to a cold. I had the chance to have a full night sleep but could I sleep? No. It takes me a few days to get used to sleep in the same way it takes to get used to no sleep so I felt no better today which is a bit annoying but never mind.

We had a fun day. Bought a bike seat and were out cycling at 8.30 this morning (new time) DD loved it and was in hysterics every time DH went over a bump. She fell asleep on the way home and looked so sweet. See those routine nazi's wouldn't be out cycling when it was nap time would they. They're boring that's why. Who needs routine

cycling is so much better than nap routines!!

Amber, evenings like that are why Domino's Pizza was invented

Thanks Ginger ! Your bike ride sounds lovely.

Hope everyone else isn't too depressed by the early darkness and their LOs' body clocks have caught up. We have had a bit of unsettledness already so have just given Nurofen, here's hoping for a settled night ahead...

oh yeah, i so should have called dominos. but we had pizza already in the week!

i'm hoping for an all nighter. for everyone. wouldn't that be amazing

Amber: for your awful night last night. Would second advice on doubling up on the rugs (i.e. nurofen and aparcetemol) we had to do this with DS's last cold too get his temp down.

Haven't been around for a couple of days out Sat, rushing round Sun getting cleaning etc. done,, plus we've started series 4 of the West Wing (yes I know it was on years ago, but we don't have a telly, OK?). So I have a bit to catch up on!

Meg: sounds like your nights are def improving . I missed the photo! Any chance of a link?

Chibi and Beal: hang in there

Ginger: bike ride sounds fab

Tibs: for your improved night

Tam: you still here?

Well, down to our night (drum roll)

Up at 8AM OLD TIME yesterday morning and DH got him breakfast so I got a lie in and a bath . Napped with DS in the afternoon for an hour and a half. Bed by 7 (new time), but unsettled after an hour or so, and we were watching the WW so brought him back in with us. Took ages to settle back to sleep, finally down by about midnight but needed dose of Medised as pulling on ears and screeching (think the rest of the teeth are coming through). Then... awake until about 6! Quick feed, fell asleep again and is just stirring now . I haven't had so much sleep in months . OK, we have to declare a big dose of drugs, but I'm still claiming it as sleeping through