SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 6 - now with added caffeine*

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Morning all,

Hope you find this!

for your rough night Amber.

After a few good ones, we had a crap one too. Up at 1.30, 3, 4.30, 5.30, 6.15........
I think she was a bit overtired last night. Hope we can get her napping better today .

So how were all your nights?

on a brighter note..... for your thriftiness!!!!!

amber would 2nd what tibsy said re sep anxiety. he's about the right age for it but throw growing and learning to stand into the mix aswell and you've got one clingy baby for a while! ds did exactly the same. it does pass. ds now happy to be left with any of his grandparents but he's never been left with anyone other than them.
I'm thinking about some sort of playgroup/nursery p/t place next spring so he can learn to be away from me.

I didn't think i'd be this kind of parent either. was not prepared for my separation anxiety,the overwhelming love, the guilt, the uncertainty, the temporary loss of identity and the effect it has on your relationship. wouldn't be without him for a second though. weird eh!

x post tibs!

lol at your dh's and boobs. what is it with men and boobs!

good purchase amber. I'm on a good winter waterproof coat hunt for ds too. can't quite find what i'm looking for

tam - i know what you mean about your own sep anx, i find it very strange. i've only left dd with grandparents a few times each and shes 13mths now. am happy to leave her with her dada tho, so thats something!

i do believe that you forget all the hard bits: the labour!, teething, sleepless nights (not that that was a big prob with ds), illnesses, the clinginess etc and just focus on the total joy and love that they bring to your world [mushy mama emoticon]

a friend of mine has a ds that isnt cuddly at all and he only goes to her for a bottle. i would find that very hard myself. when all's said and done, nothing beats having dd bring me a book, say 'ta' and hold up her arms to be put onto my lap for a cuddle and a story.

well, shes having a nap now, i'm hoping it will be a decent one so i can have a read or fall asleep! catch y'all later

Skirmish, my DD did the wake after 30 mins every night for months but has recently stopped. No solution as such just time unfortunately.

Amber, my DD was very very clingy until starting nursery. Since then she'll go to anyone and if DH is around only he will do. Think I'm being punished! It's so hard when they're like that though but hopefully he'll feel a bit more confident soon.

Tibs ,what a waking [shock}

LOL at your booby men. My DH asked me when he was getting them back when I was still bf'ing. Since stopping tho they've been really really sensitive and I've hated him touching them so he still can't get near them

Another 4.20 start but at 5.20 after some milk she went back until 7 so i don't feel too bad.

morning (am i always the first up?!)..hope everyone had a better night megs, hope the cold is on the way out

the weather here is unbelievable - really misty and foggy so can't tell if it is still raining - not that cold, but it looks it so i stuck the heating on anyways

ok night here - couple of the early wakings and then i passed out from exhaustion halfway thru the terrible baby programme! Up at 5.30, usual routine, milk, sleep up at 7ish.

On the whole 'men and boobs' thing. my dh keeps saying that my push present for this bub will be i new set of boobs (don't have any unless pg or bf) - think i'd rather have the fat sucked out of my arse/thighs/hips etc

Bit of a mixed night for us: asleep by 6:30 (v tired), woke a couple of times, in with us at 10ish and disn't stire much until 2ish - lots of wakings after that though. Need to get self into shower and out of the door!

Remember grey weather and aproaching winter not good even on lack of sleep - seems a lot of us are feeling down atm. My recommendation is hot choc, squirty cream and marshmallows

Amber: it is tricky when they get clingy and start moving around more. Standing up in teh cot was a big prob for us, but it does settle down.

Tam: how is the little man this morning?

skirmish your night sounds good.can we swap!

ep ds is on the mend i think (?)
he was horrible yesterday though.
the screaming for attention and when he doesn't get his own way is back with a vengence!
he's been molly coddled (rightly so) while he's been ill but think it's had a negative effect on behaviour....or maybe he'd have gone back to the screaming anyway...who knows!
he went to bed in a horrid mood (had left him to cry for a few mins as he was crying while i was in the room anyway) and it hyped him up so much it took twice as long to settle.

the result was that every time he woke in the night he reverted to his going to bed mood and cried and lashed out at me and dh. not good!

he's lovely really >>

hi girlies!!!
skirmish lol at your 'push pressie'....wish dd could do to my arse and thighs what shes done to my boobs....sucked the life outta them ... for your night, now if lo could just lie in a bit, you'd be sorted

EP - yep, this grey, dismal weather doesnt help, like the sound of your recommendation for hot choc! for your many wakings after 2. hope you manage to keep awake at work!

i too watched that programme and was both and ...dont think i'll watch it again

our night was good, just the 1 waking at 12.50am then nothing til 6.50am......some more of those please dd!!

tam - x posted. for your night and poor lo. i'm sure you'll get him back on track, fabbo mummy that you are. its hard work tho when you know what lovely bubs they are, but they seem to have been temporarily taken over by damien omen

that CV woman is horride, better that you fell asleep during it skirmish.
ep, yes the weather is horrid. so, so grey. lucky we are escaping to Australia for december.
tam, sorry you had such a horrid night. am sure ds well get back into the swing of things soon.
yay for good night tibs.
we also had a big improvement, 2 wakings at 1.30 and 3.30, then up at 7.30. certainly doable

Hi do you mind if I gatecrash your thread. Have DB 2.8 years who has never been the greatest sleeper - he has dropped both naps and just started nursery school. We are going through a v bad patch last night we did two nightmares beore I went to bed at 10.30 and then later in the night he woke three times shouting mummy mummy mummy etc. (I didn't go in those times as he wasn't upset, but the house is small. He is in a bed, but thank the lord we have now got through to him that bed is for sleeping and he should stay there until we come and get him in hte morning. but it does mean I cannot enforce a nap without a screaming match. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them.

oh dear soosy, that sounds really tough. i don't know much about older kids, so can't be much use at all. sorry. hopefully someone might have some ideas for you. lots of sleepy vibes to your boy. xx

We had a 5.30 start so better although disturbed night. Hope those with poorly LO's are feeling a bit better. I'm at work and wishing I could hold my little bubba. Been thinking too much about that bringing up the baby programme and it makes me sad.
Complained to Ofcom again today. That CV and channel four is a disgrace. Just hope those women don't regret not cuddling their babies and giving hem eye contact. You can't get that time back.

welcome soosy.

ginger for you missing dd. makes you normal and a good mother!
glad you got a later start this morning but it's still mega early, you deserve a medal.

Have been to play group this morning and ds had a few screaming fits. Even the other mums i'm friends with think he's not himself
really hope it passes soon. thought we'd cracked this behaviour a while back

welcome soosy, for poor lo's nightmares, but no ideas i'm afraid (plenty of sympathy tho!)

amber - for your improved night too. certainly makes things more easier doesnt it?

ginger for you missing dd. i felt exactly the same about that programme. was so bloody to see that mum crying because she didnt want to put her babies outside. i just thought, tell the woman to shove her 'help' up her bloody arse

tam - poor lo, do you think its because he's not feeling too well? i bet the tonsilitis has really knocked him about. keep your chin up love, you'll get there

oh, soosy, have you read the no cry sleep solution by elizabeth pantley? shes got some ideas for older bubbas too. if you want to keep/reintroduce the nap thing, she suggests having a nap routine with 'cues' that get bubs ready for nap, ie story, cuddle, having a cuddly toy/blanket to cootch up to. she even suggests making up a chart showing what happens in what order to prepare the older children for developing good nap/sleep routines.
hth x

thanks tibs. yes it's only started again while he's been sick so can't be a coincidence i don't think. Will try to stay positive and cheerful and hope it rubs off on him!

good on you tam, big hugs to help you on your way love x

just clicked onto the blog quickly, amber, you're putting us all to shame. your posts are fab and love the piccie of your gorgeous boy.....promise i'll pull my finger out and put one together soon.

Thank the Lord!! I am not alone. Hello to everyone, I have been posting on another forum but everyone there seems to have children that 'sleep through'. I don't. What a relief to find that there really are others out there like me......

hello Bagpuss. I don't believe there are children out there that sleep through, surely not!
we are also not sleeping at www.sleepisfortheweak.wordpress.com
watching that baby program actually makes me really glad that i did what i did when LO was really little and wouldn't be put down. imagine putting him in teh garden for 3.5 hours and shutting the door.

ok, here's a dumb non sleep related question. when did you start brushing your LO's teeth? when they first appeared? and what do you use - a baby toothbrush or one of those finger ones, and what toothpaste. thinking of getting the green people one - but don't know if it's suitable for 9 months - i suppose it is given its all natural and stuff??
[dumb mama emoticon]

Hi all, we've had no net access all morning, but sorted now! Haven't had time to read all the messages, but just wanted to say hi to Bagpuss, how old is your LO?

Also, Amber, we brush DS' teeth (all both of them!) with a baby toothbrush and Aquafresh Baby... until he got used to it I just put a dab on my finger, but now he loves it and opens wide for the brush.

same as meg amber, brushed ds's teeth as soon as they appeard. bought baby tooth brush and the baby toothpaste (forget what it's called from sainsbury)it's much more spearmint than adult toothpaste and ds loves brushing his teeth now.

big welcome to bagpusstree you are not alone!

cool, thanks, better get onto some teeth brushing [slack mummy!]