SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 5....... God have mercy!

[Tamdin]

Can't believe we're onto another new thread already!

yes, DS gets a bit grumpy at this time, but not enough to sleep anymore, so I just strapped him in his pram, and the heavens opened again, typical. elvis on radio 2 keeping us amused.

help me!

what is night weaning?

DD is co sleeping not out my choice btw, shes 10 1/2 months, dear god i need some sleep

she falls asleep whilst her last bottle of winding after, then gets taken up and goes to bed in her cot, and it seems like 5 mins after i shut my eyes in bed at what ever time of night, she screams, and screams and screams! until i get her, then she wont go back in her cot, she stands up and screams and wont go back down but the minute she comes in my bed she falls asleep instantly without a noise.

hi welcome emilyandlola, sorry it's so hard at the moment. do you think your dd might be going through separation anxiety?
a lot of people on this thread co-sleep, or at least part time co-sleep because it seems to be the only way to get some rest.

hi emily, is she falling asleep in your bed and then screaming cos she wakes up on her own in her own cot? did she used to settle ok? could you put her down in her cot sleepy but not asleep so that she knows she's going there to sleep and it isn't a shock when she wakes up? how does she settle for her daytime nap and where does she take it?

oh, and if i used these methods myself i wouldn't be on here, sleep deprived trying to find solutions!!!
sounds like you don't manage to sleep very well when she's in your bed, is that right?

huge sympathies!

no i dont sleep well, as in between her and my bed hog DP.

she normally settles for a nap where ever she wants, in car, on bean bag or sofa after a bottle.

She used to settle ok, but we have such a busy day, and no real routine because tbh i dont have the time or the inclination.

maybe try and get her used to some sleepy music and a dim side light whenever she takes a nap in her cot perhaps? she might then associate these with sleep when it's actually bedtime?

but I admit if DS has fallen asleep whilst feeding, I creep over to the cot and try and lower him in without him waking.

oh, why did I never appreciate a full night's sleep pre-baby?!!

sorry emily, just realised that's not really helpful as you don't say she naps in the cot. but lucky you that she'll nap anywhere, DS will only nap on me at the moment...working on it every day [huge sigh!]

I've just driven 4 miles to get a triple espresso... i cant go on like this

Hi emily and lola. sorry don't have long ds about to tip his dinner on the floor. have you read NCSS? I'm not a massive fan of books but it is a very gentle approach to trying to get your lo to sleep and nap. I have read it an think it's very good but typically of me didn't follow it through.
we co-sleep and usually get a decent enough night. if you don't want to implement a routine would you consider co-sleeping all night to avoid dd getting upset?

emily poor love. i know, coffee keeps me going at times too.
it's a really hard thing to do and it's horrible and restrictive at times, but i found getting regular with naps really helped LO settle a lot. don't know if it would work for your LO, it's so hard to know WHY on earth they are waking at night isn't it. anyway, a lot of people do recommend No Cry Sleep Solution method, there are links to Elizabeth Pantley's site on our blog www.sleepisfortheweak.wordpress.com/resources

evening girlie girls!!! ibs, our day was FAB!!! dd an absolute dream, she LOVED jungle mania and the best bit was, the ball pit didnt smell of wee as it usually does she didnt have a nap til 2pm and then only for 30 mins bed at 7.30, so we'll see what tonight brings

ginger, i'm really going to miss you my love, know you'll still be around, but it wont be the same. hope everything goes smoothly for you and that lovely girl of yours

choolie sorry for your bad night hope tonight is better

emilyandlola - a big siftw welcome, but sorry things are bad for you at the moment. unfortunately, between 10 - 12 months is a common time for seperation anxiety as i'm sure you know and dont need me to point out the bloody obvious! dd is just coming out of it now (for the time being!!) and shes almost 12mths. co sleeping can be hard if you havent got enough room, can you move the cot beside you for the time being? or as ginger has been trying and successfully i think, lying on a mattress beside the cot in your lo's room? just a suggestion, feel free to tell me to bog off i'm another thumbs up for co sleeping myself tho, its the only way i've managed to get any sleep for the last 11+ months. i hope tonight is better for you

well chickies, i'm off to the great outdoors tomorrow, pembrokeshire here we come am really really looking forward to it and am hoping to see an improvement in dds sleep!!!!..... just ran up 2 flights of stairs cos i heard dd call out and she stopped as soon as i got to the top, arrggghhh
anyway, will catch you all when i get back and will bring you all a virtual stick of rock apiece!! see you laters alligators xxxx

have a great holiday tibs

first up!

Good night here. ds has cold/side effects from rubella injection so gave him some medised at bed time and he slept until 1.30 (then into bed with us & 3 oz milk) slept until 7am

also am having hair cut/coloured today so have a 3 hour window of coffee and trashy magazines to look forward to while mil has ds. Bliss

morning all -

tibs - have a lovely time. I hope the sum shines for you.

tam for your good night and for your hair appointment

Hi emilyandlola - no magic advice I'm afraid, other than to keep posting here as it saves your sanity!

crapola night here. DD unsettled in the evening - up twice before I went to bed at night. Then awake at 12.30, 3, and didn't really settle after that. She's rather grumpy this morning....I've got a feeling this is going to be a looong day .

Hoping to hear of more good nights .

IBS for your crap night. any ideas/excuses for her not settling from 3 onwards?

Hi Tam - yay for good night and impending haircut/time to self.
sorry for bad night IBS
we had a good one, feeds at 12 and 4, up at 7.30. yay. he threatened to party at 4 again, but then thankfully fell asleep after a bit.

Morning all. Tam sounds like a good night.

Baz sounds a bit like our night! LO v unsettled from about 5, so feel pretty whacked. But did manage to only feed 3 times instead of the 4 of the past couple of nights, so suppose that's some kind of improvement...

I also desperately need a haircut but find it impossible to clear an hour's window!

amber for your good night.

Meg for your early start but 1 feed less is definitely progress!

meg sorry you feel whacked today, hope some naps are in order.

i think our napping situation is actually very good now. invariably he is doing 1.5 hours, amazing! he used to only ever do 30 mins, and then it became 45, now if we're at home, he'll likely do 1.5 hours. yippeee!!

Meg - for your night, but for one less feed.

amber - hurrah for the longer naps.

Well, our routine's gone totally t*ts up, as we've been to the hospital. DD launched herself off the bed while I was getting dressed, and cracked her head hard . NHS direct sent us off to A&E to be on the safe side. All appears well, thank goodness. Can I have the "crap mum of the day" award ?

Baz for A&E trip but glad LO is OK. Sounds like my DS, you literally cannot take your eyes off him for one second or he's endangering himself somehow. We have had to stop using Bumbo since the other day's head-bumping incident, he just kicks himself out of it.

IBS - don't woryr about the routine today, glad dd is okay.

going to be quiet with ep and tibs away! dh stuck at work, so just me and a LO whinging in his cot. hope he goes to sleep soon.

Hi Amber... hope your LO is asleep by now!

Do you just put him in the cot awake and leave the room? I'm sure the fact I don't do that doesn't help with DS' self-settling, but if you leave him he just starts scratching his eczema and gets all worked up, so not sure it's an option for us til his skin is a bit better.

DH is just up at the new house doing a few things then we are going to be lazy and order a pizza . Tomorrow we're picking up a nursing chair that I got on eBay -- seeing as LO is going into his own room next week, I can't carry on bf on the bed!

Bazza poor you and DD. Hope everything is ok. You're definately not a bad mummy. Happens to us all. Everyday we have narrow escapes, it's only a fluke that she doesn't end up with more injuries.

Won't bore you with too much of the chilminder saga but needless to say today has been very stressful. Work can't be flexible so back to looking for care. Been to visit nurseries and CM's today and I'm not keen on any but I'm back at work on Wed so have no time to view or settle her in. Very very

Sleep isn't great but I'm actually wanting to co sleep again just because I feel so guilty at leaving her for 3 long days a week. Having said that, took her onto matress with me last night and it was up down up down all bloody night. Tam, when your DS learned to stand did he do it at night? She's almost doing it in her sleep so I don't think it's just her being a monkey. It's almost like shes got a physical compulsion to!