Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

[gingerninja]

Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

well now you've got me curious about the cc thread, am off to take a sneaky peek

x posts tap and ginger

Ginger - loved your post. Hope all goes well for you both today at the CM.

Tap - - Good for You!

I love eccles cakes

but only the ones that St Johns Bread and Wine make

the ones that they set up a stall and sell at Exmouth Market on Fridays

and today is, ahem, Friday! ah, bliss

sorry completely OTT

you go right ahead amber!!! you've got a passion, you must feed it ENJOY!!

i love st. john too
the smithfield one is opposite my office
it's one of the few things i miss about work!
enjoy your eccles cakes!

don't think i know what an eccles cake is which is terrible because i lived realitvely near eccles for 10 years!!

ginger how did you get on at cm?

Thanks for all your sensible comments . I know I shouldn't get wound up about these things, but when DS is wide awake and yelling at 2am I do start feeling as if I'm doing something wrong . It's hard not to take it as a personal attack when you're feeling grumpy and insecure anyway! It was the implication that babies who wake are sleep-deprived even though DS is fine. He has never slept more than 5 hours straight and I think hee'll be waking for a while yet. I know cc works for some people and that's great, but I really don't think it would work for us.

Am trying a kind of GW/GR thing, currently feeding DS then rocking/cuddling till very sleepy and into cot. Eventually hoping to move to putting into cot awake. I think we mucked it up a bit by trying to jiggle him in the cot (great for getting him to sleep during the day, not great at night) which just confused him. Anyway, will see what happens tonight...

First night away from DS on Saturday (away at a conference). Will feel very odd but sneakily glad that I might get some rest, despite being in student accommodation!

Ginger: DS had his full day at the cms yesterday and LOVED it. He was really happy and giggly when DH picked him up. We were musing whether she charges much for an overnight stay

She was fine at the CM apparently until she bumped her head on the toy box and so we had an accident form to fill in before we've even started! She seemed to enjoy it and loved watching the two older girls there and from what I was told wasn't upset that I'd left her with a stranger so I felt comforted in that.

Right, I'm off to try and do some blog stuff. EP still didn't get the invite but I've emailed you about that.

weee heee, i hyperlinked all the books to amazon on the resources page [feeling smart]

had a really nice time at the breastfeeding clinic today. feel like i actually helped a couple of people. sometimes its as easy as saying YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH MILK YOU DON'T NEED TO TOP UP. I'm thinking of printing out an article from kellymom about cluster feeding and fussy times in the evening, because a lot of women seem to conclude that because their baby is fussy and feeding a lot in the evening they don't have enough milk.

EP glad you're feeling a bit brighter. thank god for siftw, dont know what i'd do without all you lot myself

ginger ginger jnrs bumped head. glad she's ok tho and was fine with CM

Amber, big up for you!!! i think its great i know how much i've benefited from meeting people like you at the bfgroup. cluster feeding was one of the things that i was 'concerned' about at the beginning, so sounds like a good idea [thumbs up emoticon]!!!

hi tibs. don't get too comfy, we're kicking you off if tibs-junior keeps sleeping like this!

guess what, i just have to share this. i've always wanted to try this natural infant hygiene thing where you hold them over the toilet and cue them to wee/poo etc. but was too tired to get my head around it until now. anyway, i decided just then to start right away, so when he woke up from his nap, i took him to the toilet. trousers and nappy off. i made a psssss sound a few times and he did a wee!! in the toilet!! amazing. first time. i told him how clever he was and put him down on the changing mat to go and get another nappy and he must have been very inspired as he did another wee on the mat. note to self: keep holding LO over toilet until REALLY finished.

lol amber at finishing off on the mat, could have been worse, could have been on you!!!
there was a thread about this on the nappies/potty training section. Did you see it?
please dont kick me off i'd miss you all too much

Afternoon all -

The blog is looking wonderful!

Ginger - sorry dd had a bit of a knock, but glad the day was successful.

LO has been a right mardy sod all day. She hasn't stopped grizzling and I can't find any sensible explanation.
I know this is what small babies do, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Wishing you successful nights - hoping Tibs, Tap and Amber's gold dust rubs off onto us

haven't read the thread tibs, will look for it now.

we won't kick you off - need you for moral support too much

Evening all. Blog looks great, will try to find time to post to it this weekend, though we're off to a wedding so will be out all day.

Cat came back from the vet in a sorry old state indeed. While she was there for some stitches in a cut we think she got from some barbed wire, they found that she has an ulcer in one eye and possibly a problem with her liver (she is 12ish so getting on a bit). So she has half her back end shaved to make the stitches, a collar on so she can't scratch, a shaved paw where they took blood and a yellow eye from the ulcer ointment. And she'd done a poo in the box on the way home and had it stuck to her tail

(Off-topic I know, but I feel so sorry for my poor old mog!)

bags - sounds like a hard day for you my lovely. hope you get a bit of respite tonight [very hopeful for bags emoticon]!!

amber - it was an old thread, so you may have to trawl for it. the method's got a name and everything!

meg - poor puss, bet shes feeling very sorry for herself? hope she picks up soon.....we're off to a wedding tomorrow too, minus the dcs!!!

well, its taken me an hour to get dd to sleep tonight so who knows if last nights success will be repeated? how can one night change so much from the next? ah well, heres hoping for plenty of zzzzzzzzzzzz's for us all

ok girls, i am now officially impressed
EP, the blog is looking fantastic. well done [big thumbs up emoticon]

Ginger- love the history of siftw!!!!

Amber - r. e. s. p. e. c. t for those links, i wouldnt have had the foggiest where to start!

Well, we have already been in to DS 4 times (!) so looks like it may be another long night for us!

I'm off for a bath now, haven't had one in literally weeks (I have showered, of course, I'm not that slovenly) and need to shave me legs for tomorrow! Have a good night all...

meg hope your night improves...... i havent had a bath for months, i too have had showers tho.........honest!!

i really must get off here now.... night all x

please help husbands gone on nightduty and my three year has been waking up to twenty times and he is then wide awake and demanding the most bizare things from two or so in the morning do try to ignore him i feel very lost

hi xcupcakemummyx - have really got to go, but didnt want to leave your post unanswered. so that youre going through it at the moment. i presume he's in his own room? have you tried co sleeping or does that make no difference? dont know if you have access to a copy, but elizabeth pantleys 'no cry sleep solution' offers nice gentle 'techniques' to encourage your lo to sleep. she covers various age groups too. please do continue posting tomorrow when the rest of the siftw crew will return, will be sending you sleepy vibes for tonight. big hugs x

Hi Xcupcakemummyx, sounds like he must be unsettled because his dad isn't there (or is he like this normally?) I'd recommed co-sleeping too if it gives you a bit of sleep and him a bit of security. I don't have any experience of toddlers so not sure on the best way to handle it. Perhaps if you post a thread asking for advice on 3 yr old sleep problem you will get a response from people in a similar boat. Let us know how i goes.

xcupcakemummyx i read that as if your DH was working at night. Is that right or has he taken over night time toddler antics? If the later, I'd definately post a seperate thread as it sounds more difficult than I'd original thought. Hope you're not too

i think something must wake him, and then he is so awake, my teenager daughter has even gone to sleep at my in laws tonight he was a really good sleepy untill a month or so ago. bye i feel along night ahead of me

he is a vet and he has been called into work
but he will also deals with the night shift here then i feel so guilty