Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

[gingerninja]

Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

i think we are about to need to go up a size in nappies. i'm dreading it as thenext size seems to cover a wide weight range, which means they will probably be huge for a while.

am trying to be domestic goddess again and cook some awesome cannelloni. was relying on LO taking a good midday nap to allow me to do it, and he took an hour to go to sleep! but finally ...

hope everyone is having a good day. is hard to type as i have band aid on my finger due to accident with the creme fraiche packaging

Ohh Amber are you American or Australian? Band Aid? You mean plaster

oh, didn't know that one ...

it's like the whole pants/trousers thing and g-strings/thongs. where i come from, you wear thongs on your feet and there's nothing wrong with wearing your pants in public

hiya girlies,
tapster when i read your post, completely bypassed me that it was your birthday HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! for yesterday? xx

tam for your night, hope you had fun today

meg, i hated nap times too, dd used to be a 30 min girl. as they get older, they do change, i promise

bags bless ya. i hope you feel a bit more grounded now. i do understand tho, tried to put my shoes in the fridge the other day what a numpty!

hope all you other lovely ladies are having a nice afternoon.

hi all,

well LO is in bed, DH is still at work for another hour, I'm considering tucking up early on this rainy eve, maybe around 8 if there's nothing decent on tv.

hope everyone fares well tonight. am quite glad its friday tomorrow. looking forward to dh being home on the weekend. might do something for an hour or two on my own

Tapster: woo hoo!

Ds asleep but did the waking after 45 mins thing again . Who knows what the night will bring?

Have been doing a bit more on the blog - design changed so yu can see who has posted what. Amber has also been beavering away at the resources page - please read and admire!

For those who have been invited to post and who haven't signed up...

as before, if anyone else is interested please CAT me.

blog: sleepisfortheweak.wordpress.com/

morning all

amber, go for it this weekend. treat yourself to a bit of 'me' (meaning you obviously!) time

EP will check out the blog now!!!!

Well,........ she only went and did it again
slept 7.15pm to 5.45am
am not saying a word, dont want to jinx myself again
hope there were some other good nights being had out there too x

Well done Tibsy!

Awful night here, not helped by massive nappy leak at 2am necessitating complete change and lots of yelling . Not feeling very hopeful this morning. DH hinting that I might want to give up bfing at night but really not sure. A few comments on MN last night re cc also got me cross and a bit upset - seemed to be implying that I was Failing DS but not doing cc.

Am off to mutter in corner and hope for a better night tonight.

by not doing cc

EP have logged on and clicked dashboard but can't see anywhere that says write or write post. sorry for being so thick!

Tam: will email

its looking good EP. the resources look fab too Amber!!!
EP that is such a load of bollocks. ive not done cc with dd and shes managed it a couple of times she had a better night last night after falling asleep whilst feeding than the night before when i managed to get her to fall asleep in her cot with minimum assistance from me. i truly believe now that they will come to it when theyre good and ready. it may not be as soon as we want, and sure, we can help them along, but you are in no way failing ds by not doing cc. i feel a littlebut mostly for you

EP I think I know the thread you mean, it made me too.

Tibsy well done your LO!!

Crap night for us too. I went to bed at 11 but couldn't sleep, dunno why... then at 1 he woke and basically didn't settle until 3 (not crying but wide awake and rolling round cot, which kept us awake), then woke again at 4, so came in with us, at least then he slept til gone 8. Sadly DH had to get up early to take cat to vet's for an operation so was awake from 7ish anyway!

yay for tibs!

EP don't listen. so many things made me feel guilty about LO not sleeping. but at the end of the day, if we provide the right circumstances, bedtime routine, gentle encouragement, somewhere nice to sleep etc, and they still don't sleep - there's not a lot we can really do except be patient. I don't think anyone should be compelled to do CC for the good of their LO if it doesn't feel right. I think as parents we are intuitive about what our LO's need and will respond to and also what we can tolerate ourselves, so for some people it might be the right thing to do CC, and for others it will never be right.

anyway, rant over. we had a good night. LO woke up at 2.30, didn't sound too demanding, just talking really, so i left him to it (no feed, i just stayed in bed). he woke at 6 and i fed him then, then went back to sleep until 8.

tibs and i are so going to be kicked off soon...

yay for tibs and amberjee
ours wasn't too bad but not brilliant.
anyway better go as ds is going mad as i've been on mn since 8.30

Amber, i dont want to go!!! and no one can make me!!!
I'll start making it up if i have to, i will, see if i dont
yey for your good night too

and meg for yours. hope the cat will be ok too x

hi tam, bye tam

i'd love to hear your made up stories of how bad your night was tibs, would make me laugh.

Well I think i will be kicked off too- she did it second day in the row. 8pm-6am no one stirring I slept 7hours I do feel awful though.

Please don't do cc EP - everybody told me I would have to do it. Between 17 weeks and now one week short of 8 months she woke up 2-6 times a night. She is totally BF, never even had a bottle of EBM .

Last night she only had half a pot of yoghurt for dinner, I thought no way would she sleep through she did. Patience they will do it in their own time - its not to do with food obviously. Hang on in there. GR/GW worked for us.

Amber and Tibsy well done.

EP If you're failing so am I. Sometimes I feel like a failure but if being a success is leaving them to cry themselves to sleep then so be it. I'd rather be a failure. CC isn't a guarantee anyway and I'd rather not test the theory. Which was the thread?

Sometimes it is really frustrating, you just want five minutes peace, you just want them to drop off on their own. Doesn't feel like too much to ask does it? But I defend myself against people that try and shame you into doing CC. Parenthood isn't about fitting them in around the TV schedule or getting them to sleep so that you can go out. Sure those things are great but I didn't have a baby thinking that I'd be able to carry on my old life with no inconvenience. Evenings are precious but I really don't think any of us are going to be here in a years time. (Gord I hope not) unless we meet up with our next babies. So if you're not into CC then tell them it's not for you, you'll take the 'consequences' thanks very much. What's the worst that can happen? Your baby feels loved and secure? Yes they're right, you must be a failure.

taking DD to the childminder for her first intro session this morning. I'm dreading it. I have to leave her for one whole hour. Will be back later

Hi everyone.

Go Tibs and Amber ! You two are my inspiration.

EP, Meg . I haven't seen the other thread. TBH I know CC is NOT for us, so I avoid the debate totally .

Sorry to hear you both had bad nights. If it's any consolation, I was up at that time too. LO woke every 2 hours from 8. 10 and 12 I dealt with without waking, but the other wakings were somewhat higher maintenance .

And Meg - hope cat gets well soon!

Oh, after all that I couldn't resist peeking at the other thread. I can see why it bothers you, Meg and EP.

FFS, what's wrong with helping my daughter to sleep when she's tired, and to be with her when she's awake, even if that might be at a time that's inconvenient for me?

tapster well done [wonders if there's something in the water, errrm milk?]

i love the thought of babies never having had a bottle. i tried mine with EBM once or twice but he didn't get it and I wasn't bothered enough to persevere, so mine has never had a bottle either, just a few sips from the doidy cup.

EP, I just read the CC thread. Don't feel bad about it, it's just a few justifying to themselves why they did CC. And it's great that it's worked for them. But you know what is best for you and LO. And you'd rather show him your love and help him to sleep in a gentle way. How wonderful. I felt guilty too for not leaving LO to cry when i read Weissbluth's book and all you guys told me Step Away From the Books

tapster for you too

bags it will get better, you know it

ginger great post deep breaths, she'll be fine. its hard, but you'll be ok (its a given that she'll be fine she'll have a whale of a time!) what are you going to do in that hour, keep yourself busy i hope? let us know later how it went. (((hugs))) xx