Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

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Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

Gosh, siftw is quiet today, guess we're all on the blog instead!!!

dd didnt go to sleep until 2.30pm and then only slept for 30 mins

went down to bed at 7.15pm, a bit worried about crap naps today, guess i'll just have to see what tonight brings. dp away, so hope its not too horrendous

hope everyone else has good ones......... off for a read.
will try to get the comp therapy page sorted tomorrow amber
night all

Hope everyone had a nice day and that Tibs' LO went to sleep eventually!

We have had a good nap day today, despite me fearing his early start would throw things out of whack. 40 mins at 8.30, then 1.5 hours at lunchtime (without even needing the dummy after 30 mins!) and another 45 mins from 3.15-4, enough to get him through to bedtime on 3 naps.

That lunchtime nap was bliss - me and DH fell asleep on the sofa, cat fell asleep on my lap, so all was peaceful in the MegB household. I'm not getting my hopes up for tonight, mind... he went down at half 7 so I am fully expecting the half-hour flail in ten mins...

Xposted Tibsy, think I would go bananas if LO only slept 30 mins in the day

yay for your naps meg, that sounds fantastic. hope tonight is good for you too. and you tibs with dh away.

i went for leg wax today so feeling decidedly less prickly!

evening

Had great day/night at the wedding.
Ds though didn't go to lseep until 11 for my mum and then was up at 5.30 with a few wakings in between. poor mum looked ready for her bed when we went to collect him at lunchtime today.
he was so tired he slept for 3.5 hours this afternonn and tsill went down at 7.30 tonight as usual. Not sure what the night will bring but fingers crossed he'll be so tired he'll sleep right through

Hope you have a peaceful night Tam

Naps good for us today, but it's getting more and more difficult to get DS to sleep at night - any ideas? He's rubbing his eyes and tired by about 6, so it's bath, then massage, read books, feed and (theoretically) sleep - usually asleep by 7/7:30. It' just taking AGES at the moment, and I often need DH to take over so I can get the dinner started. He's def tired, but just wants to crawl around, stand up in the cot and yell . Cuddling doesn't work, not that interested in feeding, if you leave him to it he screams the place down, Feel like I'm back to the early months when it took up to 2 hrs every night to get him to sleep.

BTW Ginger, I get the only mummy will do at night - Daddy is much more fun during the day!

wow a very serene setting in megs house
good luck tibsy
my poor weary brain just does not hold names
i wish everyone a safe night
and maybe some peace
here the teenagers are full i will go on cooking strike tomorrow
ds is sleeping for a while
love for now

EP have emailed you my piece. sory it's late.

Ds went through that phase at night. Will he let you walk with him or hold his hand through the cot?

maybe you're puttinghim to bed too late and so he's over tired a bit and has missed the window ifswim.

What about cutting out the massage or books and go staright from bath to bed so he's going down 6.45-7?

Do you remember in ncss she says if they look tired cut down bedtime routine and get them in bed asap to seize the moment as it were.

Just an idea. as you all know i'm no expert!!

x posted cupcake. hope you get some peace tonight

not too bad a night
i may even go out with the teeenagers today
and iam on cooking strike
bye for now

Tamdin, agree about the tired window thing. if we miss it, all hell breaks loose!

Will try that, but have found if routine istoo short he just wants to play... will report back tonight.

Thinking about it, it could be right as we used to start at about 6, but with me coming back from work later it's been pushed back.

Morning Amber and Cupcake. Hope your nights were OK. Ours wasn't bad - had to be shushed a couple of times in the evening but nothing major, then fed 11.30, then in with me 1.30 (DH on sofa), then awake at 5 for about half an hour scratching his eczema, I tried feeding but he wasn't really interested so I gave him the dummy and cuddled him til he went back off. Then awake for the day at 7.

He does seem a little bit more settled these last few nights, maybe it's the co-sleeping but I might try putting him back in the cot anyway after the 1-ish waking and see what happens.

Xposted EP: DS is the same, we only have a half-hour bedtime routine anyway (bath, cover in eczema creams, feed, bed) but if DS is particularly tired we just rush through with a two-minute dunk in bath otherwise by the end of it he cries all the way through having his creams put on.

morning all!!!!
cupcake, glad your night was ok dont blame you about the cooking strike

tam - glad you enjoyed the wedding

EP, sorry its all gone a bit pear shaped atm

our night was pants but that was ok, cos i was expecting it after the crap nap situation
many many wakings....... up at 6.30am, so not too bad.
dd is now down for her first nap of the day courtesy of the magic of jack johnson and my marvellous dancing abilities

Right, will try tonight. Thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious!

DS back into his waking every 2 hrs 'routine'. But he did wake 2 hrs after going to sleep and DH managed to get him off again with no feed. Shame it doesn't work when I'm in the room!

And DS did sleep (on and off) till 8:30

x posted meg glad your night was ok. i put dd back in her cot sometimes. i did last night after the 2.30ish feed and she slept from 3 til 6.30am there. 3 1/2 hrs was the longest stretch

think there must be something in this crap naps = crap night sleep thing after all.....

Tibs the trouble is that although it would be ideal for DS to go back into his cot after a feed so DH can stay in bed with me, when it's 1am and I'm sleepy and just want to get back to sleep as quickly as possible, it's much easier to go "Oh just stick him in bed next to me" rather than sit up to feed, wait til he's asleep or nearly asleep then ease back into cot and hope he settles down, which half the time he doesn't anyway and we still end up with him back in bed.

yep, i can understand that meg. most nights dd stays in with us, but as dp was away last night and i fancied having the bed to myself, i waited til she'd conked out, then eased her VERY gently into the cot ..............it was worth it tho, the whole bed to myself, glorious

EP, we have about a 1/2 hour routine as well starting at 6.30. quick dunk in the bath, i try not to prolong it so we don't dry out his skin, then oil him up, feed and put in bed. if he's really tired he'll fall asleep feeding and be asleep at 7, if not he might chatter away until 7.30 or so. recently though, he's been taking until close to 8 to get to sleep, though not in a cranky way, just in an 'i want to play' kind of way.

we had a good night again last night, 1 waking at 12.30, then up for the day at 6.45

tibs, sorry your night was so crappola.

Just a thought, is anyone interested in having a 'ASK SIFTW' section on the blog where people can pick our brains about sleep issues and we can give them our expert opinions ... he he, who am I kidding !

We might need to recruit a few friends to ask questions and get it started though.

amber for your good night. i'm not too honest
that sounds like a great idea, i was thinking soemthing along those lines too, make it a little more interactive, if you like?

it's really looking great

morning. not oo bad night her. bed at 7.30. awake at 12, 5, 7.30 for the day. did the 12-5 stretchin his cot so i got 5 good hours sleep so feel ok today. he's just down for his nap so back into our routine today after a 'routine free' weekend.
amberjee am so of your night and he's still so little. do oyu think he could pop round and give my ds some pointers!
like idea of ask siftw too.

tibs in this house bad naps def = bad night. hopefully you'll get her sorted. ds aslo loves jack johnson!

Meg we all choose the easy option in the middle of the night.I still do. Always intend to put him back in his cot but then fall asleep and before you know it's 3 in a bed again.

EP hope earlier bed time works tonight. We can only but try!

at your dancing Tibs.

i'm amazed that LO did only wake up once last night as he didn't take that much milk yesterday. He missed one usual feed as I was getting my legs waxed and refused to eat before I left and still refused on my return. Also, he didn't eat so much before bedtime, but I have to say he did scoff a lot of avocado and banana, so maybe that made up for it.