Sleep is for the weak part four, we're officially hardcore.

[gingerninja]

Yes ladies we've got a shiny new thread to share our woes of chronic sleep deprivation, to hail all that is gloreous when something works and throw our arms in the air when it all goes wrong again.

One bad night doesn't impress us, we're awake more than we sleep cos we is 'ard I tell ya.

and yay for bags shaved legs

sorry have read all posts but in a bit of a rush today so gotta be a quick one.
EP huge apologies for my profile not being done. will try and get time to do it over the weekend.

Not too bad night here. bed at 7.30, awake at 12 and 4 up at 7.30 for the day. same old same old.

Off to weddin gtoday so am trying to get ready now before ds has his nap and then I have to deliver him up to my mum and dad's where he's spending the night (for the 2nd time!)
Am so glad we did the trial run a few weeks ago as i feel alot calmer about it today and will be able to enjoy the wedding more than if we hadn't.

Ginger don't beat yourself up pet. we've all done it!

have a good day/night. you may get a drunken post from me when i get back tonight so be prepared!!

teenagers have left the premises
both stroppy today
hope dh is home early for a bit of sane time
anyway ds is at least in a good mood
bye for now

Same old same old for us too. DH given up on his share of getting up as was worse for us all. He's doing even more round the house to make up for it, bless. We had bed at 7, up at 11, 2 and 4- came to our bed, slept on til 630, mostly not latched on, maybe we've moved on from that phase!

Must be tired today, keep yawning, someone at work said I must've beed hit with the tired stick - couldn't agree more!

Tibs - thanks for your lovely posts.

Cupcake - enjoy your relative peace

All - hang in there, sounds like we're all doing great really.

Hi everyone, I feel like an imposter posting on here as dh has had ds2 at night for almost a week now. I was at the point where I was frightened of making mistakes at work, since I'm an optometrist I finally told dh that my tiredness could ultimately end up in something serious in that respect and we made adjustments.

So, now ds2 has a 4 oz bottle of either ebm - or formula if I don't have any ebm - from dh right before bedtime. I then trot off to the guest room and dh takes over with the cc It is working, tho. Except for one night Ds2 has only been getting up once, although he was up for 45 minutes last night around 3 am. I do still wake up and hear him but I don't get as anxious as I did when in the same room.

ginger, have definitely been there and I know it just seems like you have to have a release of all the pent-up, tired frustration. FWIW, my dh got mad at me, too.

As for the eczema, we are battling it like mad here as well. My latest thing (after trying loads and loads of stuff) is eucerin calming cream over most of his body but A+D diaper ointment on the red, scaly parts. He just screamed when I put anything else there, especially the steroid cream and one night I was just at a total loss as to what to do. Have also tried calendula cream but it worked better on ds1 than ds2. From what I have read on MN it seems every child is different and you just try everything until you find something that works...for a while. Then you start looking for something else One of the mothers at ds1's gymnastics class said elidel (sp?) worked for her son. It's a prescription drug here in the US, so not sure what the British counterpart is. Another one swore by Bova (udder) cream from the farmer's supply! Am definitely going to get some of that just out of curiousity as she said it's really cheap. So why not add it to my growing stash of creams and ointments, lol.

Oh, and another MNer mentioned neosporin. Can you get it over there? She's an expat. If you can't, and want to try it let me know and I can send some to you.

Good evening all. Have just put DS to bed early as he was sooo tired, I think he is struggling to make it all the way through til bedtime after his last nap (3-3.30) so will have to try pushing it back a bit tomorrow. Anyway at least he was easy to get down, how long he'll stay down for is another matter

Hope everyone has had a good day anyway.

I thought I posted another message earlier can't remember what I said anyway but thanks again for those responses about DD's eczema. Normally we manage it well and she doesn't really suffer too much and we haven't been doing anything different so who knows. It looks a little better this evening although she screamed the whole tims she was in the bath which is very unlike her.

Meg, Is there anyway he can have a short nap at 4.30, even just 10 mins? If not what about just sitting down and cuddling for a few minutes so he can take a bit of a breather from his hectic baby life. Mine would never settle at that age with a 4 hour awake period and still finds it difficult somedays going 3-7. for his eczema tho. Sounds terrible. My homeopath suggested a bath solution of bicarb of soda to ease itching. I've tried the oats which are nice but haven't tried that yet. Can your DS take piriton? My DD was prescribed it even tho it says not to be taken under one year old. Apparently they can prescribe it if they're itching.

Jaber, for your continued success and thanks for the offer to send creams. You could make a fortune selling us all baby orajel though which a siftw graduate said was the best teething gel she'd ever used and knocked her LO out. Unfortunately it isn't licenced here.

Well, I've got to clean the house in preparation for a house full of people tomorrow. Sleep tight all

hi teenagers are friends are again
dh is home
ds is asleep,till the nocturnal wanderings start.
no sorry their squabbling over choc
they have decided to go and find ice cream now

Right, have added some info to the about page - hope it's OK.

Love your post Ginger: I completely agree

DS is asleep - here's hoping for a better night.

Meg, my LO mostly goes to bed between 7 and 7.30 most nights anyway, he can't make it much longer

peace here at the moment
ds will start night wandering in an hour or so.
dh has crashed out on the sofa think he has taken on the persona of an old dog.
i hope there will be some rest out there
i am waiting for the return of the ice cream hunting teenagers.
night to everyone

goodnight everyone. hope your nights are good.

No baby orajel We haven't needed it yet but can't imagine not having it at the ready. Wonder why it's not licensed?

morning all,

how were things last night?

Meg-is think my dd is just a couple of weeks younger than yours - she still needs a nap about 2.5 hours before bed. i've thought about skipping this recently, as she's been quite lively in the evenings, but she's a bit of a horror without it.

Ginger - hope you got a decent amount of rest. sounds like you have a busy day ahead?

last night was a mixed bag. dd very unsettled in the evening so didn't go down until 9pm. however she then stayed asleep until 3.45 , and up again at six, so i can't complain at all!

in-laws arriving today. they are lovely, but do expect dd to fit in with them, not the other way round. i know lots of babies would not be phased by this, but i'm afraid dd isn't one of them. ho-hum.

have a lovely day everyone.

Bags: great night

Good luck with the in-laws - stand your ground if you can.

Not a great night for us, but not too unsettled.

Bags - wonderful night! Stay strong with the inlaws. I think it's hard for people to understand how important the whole sleep routine is when they don't have to deal with the cranky aftermath when all goes askew.

we had a great night - hooray. asleep at 7.45pm, feed at 1.30 and up at 7.15.

morning
good luck with the in_laws

Amber and Bags for your nights!

Ours was par for the course these days: bed at 7, unsettled from 8-8.30, fed at 11.30, in with me at 1.45, one more waking/feed sometime in the night and awake at 6.30.

Bags, for your good night. You'll have to change your name soon! I completely understnad about fitting in around visitors and when you visit. I find that quite stressfull. I'm sure if LO slept better as a rule I wouldn't worry so much. Still, try and stick to your routine and don't worry about upsetting them. A baby needs to sleep and all.

Amber, very of your night.

DD was great last night until about 9.45. DH laid down with her and I went to bed to get some kip but was awoken at 2 by very screamy baby. I think she just wanted mummy. No one else will do at the moment. Anyway, all got into bed together and she protested on and off until 4 then slept until 6.30. DH and I were not the best of friends in the night and are feeling very spaced out today. Please let this be a phase thing.....

must be hard when they just want mum ginger. hopefully it is a phase.

hope everyone has a good day, teenagers have taken stroppy toddler out
i think the dh is the stroppiest today ds joined me in the middle of the night and would not stop chatting bye for now

hi cupcake, hope the teenagers keep toddler out for a while!

morning all!!
bags for your night, you deserve it good luck with the outlaws!

amber for your too!!!

ginger, dd is a bit of a mummys girl too atm. she's fine if i'm not there and love to be with her dada, but if i'm around, only i'll do. thats lovely, but a bit wearing sometimes when you just want a bit of a breather

hope you had a good time at the wedding reception tam

hope everyone else had reasonable nights too

ours was ok, went off a dream, woke 2 times i think? for feeding. had a lie in til 7am

the little bugger has been fighting sleep all morning tho, despite 3 attempts to put her down am walking up to my folks so hopefully she'll sleep on the way

better dash, catch you all later x

tibs, sounds like an okay night. hope she has a sleep soon though.