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Co-sleeping. Give it a go!

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MarmaladeSun · 28/08/2004 10:42

Hi all. I've posted a reply on one of the other threads about my 6 week old sleeping with me, and knowing the reactions Mums get from other people if they co sleep, I thought I'd paste this information onto this thread. Hope it helps anyone who's struggling with the night time!

Harvard psychiatrist Michael Commons and his colleagues recently presented the American Association for the Advancement of Science with research that suggests that babies who sleep alone are more susceptible to stress disorders.

Notre Dame anthropology professor and leading sleep researcher, James McKenna, has long held that babies who sleep with their mothers enjoy greater immunilogical benefits from breastfeeding because they nurse twice as frequently as their counterparts who sleep alone.

In his book on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, pediatrician William Sears cites co-sleeping as a proactive measure parents can take to reduce the risk of this tragedy. McKenna?s research shows that babies who sleep with parents spend less time in Level III sleep, a state of deep sleep when the risk of apneas are increased. Further, co-sleeping babies learn to imitate healthy breathing patterns from their bunkmates.

Every scientific study of infant sleep confirms that babies benefits from co-sleeping. Not one shred of evidence exists to support the widely held notion that co-sleep is detrimental to the psychological or physical health of infants.

If science consistently provides evidence that the American social norm of isolating babies for sleep can have deleterious effects, why do we continue the 150-year crib culture in the United States? Why do parents flock to Toys R? Us to purchase dolls that have heart beats, sing lullabies and snore when they can do the same for free?

McKenna suggests that there are several factors that maintain this cultural norm. Foremost is the American value of self-sufficiency. Independence is an important characteristic for a successful person in our society. We take great pride in watching our babies pick themselves up by their own bootie straps. But the assumption that co-sleeping inhibits independence is pure cultural mythology. In fact, the opposite it true.

Children who share sleep with their parents are actually more independent than their peers. They perform better in school, have higher self esteem, and fewer health problems. After all, who is more likely to be well-adjusted, the child who learns that his needs will be met, or the one who is left alone for long periods of time? McKenna suggests that it is confusing for a baby to receive cuddles during the day while also being taught that the same behavior is inappropriate at night.

The Commons report states that when babies are left alone to cry themselves to sleep, levels of cortisol, a stress hormone, are elevated. Commons suggests that the constant stimulation by cortisol in infancy causes physical changes in the brain. "It makes you more prone to the effects of stress, more prone to illness, including mental illness, and makes it harder to recover from illness," he concludes.

The best-selling book on infant sleep is frighteningly misdirected and offers absolutely no scientific grounds for its thesis. Richard Ferber suggest that the best way to solve your child?s "sleep problems" is to isolate them in another room, shut the door, and let them cry for ten minutes without interruption. Then parents may enter the room and verbally soothe the baby, but are warned against making physical contact with their baby. Shortly after, they are advised to leave the infant to cry for another timed interval a la "Mad About You."

Most sleep disorders are not biologically based, but rather, created by well-intended parents. Making oneself available by intercom is simply not meeting the nighttime needs of an infant.

Many parents argue that they tried "Ferberizing" their baby and enjoyed great success with the technique. Indeed, the infant may stop crying and learn to go to sleep on his own, but this is a short-term pay off for parents. The baby has not suddenly discovered quiet content. He simply is exhausted from his futile efforts to be nurtured. Fifteen years later, the same parents shrug their shoulders and wonder why their kids are shutting them out.

Though co-sleeping is common in most parts of the world, many American parents would not consider it because they fear it will cause them sleep deprivation. Every scientific study concludes that parents who bring their babies to bed sleep longer and better.

A few parents do experience difficulty sleeping with a baby in their bed. For them, a "sidecar" or bedside sleeper is an ideal way to meet their needs for rest and their baby?s need for co-sleep. Keeping a crib or bassinet in the parents? room is another option. A "family bed" is not for everyone, but creative solutions for co-sleep are abundant in our consumer-friendly culture.

The most common question co-sleepers are asked is about maintaining a sexual relationship with one?s partner. The answer is simple. Go someplace where the baby is not. Enough said.

For those who consider unlimited access to their sexual partner more important than meeting the needs of their baby, cat ownership is a wonderful alternative to parenthood. You can just toss a bowl of Nine Lives on the floor and frolic around the house whenever the mood hits you.

Co-sleeping is not right for everyone. Heavy drinkers and drug addicts should avoid sleeping with their babies. Of course, these folks should probably avoid parenthood altogether.

If scientific research consistently demonstrates that co-sleeping offers tremendous benefits for babies and has no deleterious effects, it?s time Americans join the rest of the world and parent our babies 24 hours a day.

Jennifer Coburn
San Diego, California
USA

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MarmaladeSun · 31/08/2004 17:35

Meant to say CLAYHEAD, not LAYHEAD!!!! Sorry.

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lulupop · 31/08/2004 17:45

Sorry, MarmaladeSun, but this article is completely onesided. There are pros and cons to co-sleeping, and like many others here, I'm of the opinion that it if works for you long term, then great. But there's no need for anyone to adopt this proseletysing approach, stating that:

"For those who consider unlimited access to their sexual partner more important than meeting the needs of their baby, cat ownership is a wonderful alternative to parenthood. You can just toss a bowl of Nine Lives on the floor and frolic around the house whenever the mood hits you."

That is the most ludicrous statement. It's like Gina Ford saying that "proper" mothers who have the best interests of their babies at heart (as if there's a mother out there who doesn't have her baby's best interests at heart!) will tie themselves to a draconian regime of sleeptime (at home, in cot) and feedtimes. How about real life? For those of us with more than one child and without the assistance of a full-time maternity nurse, a little flexibility is needed and DOES NOT mean we're compromising our babies' interests. This article may well have been penned by a "Harvard psychiatrist", but I'm afraid that just makes it even worse! An academic "expert" should have been educated to outline BOTH sides of an argument before positing his/her own views (and detailing any research supporting those views - not done here, I notice)

The whole article is sloppily written and unnecessarily reductive. I'm afraid I don't think that teaching your walking, talking child that it will not have all its needs gratified 24 hours a day will result in permanent psychological scarring as he states here:

"Many parents argue that they tried "Ferberizing" their baby and enjoyed great success with the technique. Indeed, the infant may stop crying and learn to go to sleep on his own, but this is a short-term pay off for parents. The baby has not suddenly discovered quiet content. He simply is exhausted from his futile efforts to be nurtured. Fifteen years later, the same parents shrug their shoulders and wonder why their kids are shutting them out."

I went though hell trying to teach DS to stay in his own bed, and currently spend a large chunk of the night in the spare bed with DD (17 weeks), but I will consider myself to have failed her as a parent if by 12 months she isn't able to spend a night in her own bed without screaming for company. There is a real problem with society if parents are so terrorised by "experts" like this that they can't/won't teach their children that Mummy and Daddy (and, by extension, other people in the wider world) are not going to drop everything to attend to their every whim indefinitely.

Each to their own when it comes to methods of child-rearing, but I really think we can do without this sort of one-sided personal agenda being put forward as professional advice.

Clayhead · 31/08/2004 17:48

MS

I knew what you were getting at.

LOL at layhead, if only!!!

MarmaladeSun · 31/08/2004 18:55

Once again Clayhead, thanks! I'm sorry to see so many short tempers on here. Perhaps that is due to sleep deprivation? One point I really must make (ok then, another point) is with reference to Lulupop's statement ...'How about real life? For those of us with more than one child and without the assistance of a full-time maternity nurse, a little flexibility is needed and DOES NOT mean we're compromising our babies' interests.' Well, real life for me is being a full time mother of a 16 year old....a 15 year old...a nine year old....(nope, not finished yet),...a 7 year old...and a 6 week old, studying for a diploma and currently setting up my private practice as a hypnotherapist. I do NOT have the assistance of a full time maternity nurse, or even a part time one, and I know all about flexibility. Perhaps if co sleeping had not worked for me then maybe I would be quick to dampen the enthusiasm with which this post was originally sent. On second thoughts, I'm not the type of person to condemn others beliefs, only to encourage.

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MarmaladeSun · 31/08/2004 18:56

And before I get shouted down again, please remember....I DID NOT WRITE THE ARTICLE!!!!!!!

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lulupop · 31/08/2004 19:29

MarmaladeSun, think we're getting a little away from people's original intentions here. Obviously you PERSONALLY aren't condemning anyone for not co-sleeping, just as I PERSONALLY am not condemning anyone for co-sleeping. The point I was trying to make is that, while it's fine for everyone to have their own opinions, it's wrong for those who present themselves as the voice of expertise (such as the author of this article) to present such a one-sided view that anyone not in line with that view feels that they are in the wrong.
As for your taking issue with what I was saying about Gina Fod's routine and maternity nurses, I certainly didn't mean to imply that anyone co-sleeping must have loads of help at home - in fact it was a totally different point. I feel that co-sleeping is the height of a flexible approach to children, and that routines and CC are relatively inflexible in comparison. It's just that I personally prefer to have my children in their own beds - as much as anything because I'm a light sleeper and even my 17 week old snuffling beside me keeps me awake.

You must be an extremely together person to be pursuing your qualifications and career on top of raising 5 children. Just one toddler and one baby leaves me feeling pretty ragged a lot of the time, and I'm sorry if that's come across the wrong way here. The only problem I have is with the way the views in the article were put forward, not with you or anyone else here.

Heathcliffscathy · 31/08/2004 19:53

psychiatrist doesn't mean anything. read toxic psychiatry someone. i have to say, i'm really shocked at how shoddily written the article was, and hostile. but applaud you marmalade for trying to bring out the positive in co-sleeping...good on you, but the article quoting was a mistake. i co-slept for 4 weeks or so, then he was in cot in our room for another two and then i just knew that he was disturbed by us and vice versa. he's been in his own room since he was 3 months or so old... and has slept really well (apart from a blip at 4 1/2 months when he got really hungry and was feeding thro the night)...no one is saying co-sleeping is bad. but each to his own and no co-sleeping isn't detrimental imo.

Canadianmom · 31/08/2004 20:02

Marmaladesun, I just want to thank you for your good intentions. Sorry that is seems to have back-fired in this hostile thread. I do find it challenging to find published articles/books by 'experts' that state that co-sleeping is a safe and viable alternative.
As parents we all have a right to make informed choices and I was grateful that you took the time to post an article with an 'alternative' view-point.
I don't like it when the discussions on MN turn into debates where people start confusing the poster with the opinions expressed in an article they chose to share. Guess I just don't know why anyone opposed to the idea of co-sleeping would even read a thread entitled 'Co-sleeping-give it a go' unless they had an axe to grind. Would I be sinking to their level to suggest that they must have too much time on their hands? Life is too short to spend it being nasty to well-intentioned people trying to provide an interesting perspective on a controversial idea.

wobblyknicks · 31/08/2004 20:05

Sorry to hijack for a minute but, as all you co-sleepers are here, can I just ask a quick q? When your babies need to/used to need to nap in the day what did you do? Did they sleep alone or did you go to bed with them? Only asking because I've just started doing it with dd as she won't sleep alone due to teething and finding daytime naps impossible atm!!!

hercules · 31/08/2004 20:06

DD sleeps on the bed. I put her down and leave her. Usually now if she stirs by the time I've got up the stairs she's asleep again.

wobblyknicks · 31/08/2004 20:11

Oh, ok, thanks herc

wobblyknicks · 31/08/2004 20:12

Suppose it'll be easier when I catch up on my lost sleep and stop going to sleep before her!!!

Heathcliffscathy · 31/08/2004 20:14

canadianmum, i don't think that anyone has been particularly hostile to marmalade at all! nor has anyone had an axe to grind imo. just mners doing what they do best: trying to make sure that things stay balanced and that mothers reading don't think that they are doing the wrong thing by co-sleeping or not co-sleeping. you can't have thought that the article didn't have an axe to grind can you????

aloha · 31/08/2004 20:25

FFS, NOBODY has had a go at MarmaladeSun at all. We have, however, taken issue with the content of the article she posted. As for 'hostile' and 'malicious', the ONLY personally critical and nasty comments on here have been from people saying things like 'sinking to their level' (pardon?) and 'they have too much time on their hands' (like you don't post?) and sneering stuff about 'they must be sleep deprived to be so short tempered'. If you post an article which is fiercely critical of non-co-sleepers then why on earth do you expect us to ignore the content of that article. And I don't know quite why you are so sensitive about it. Nobody's accusing you of writing it. And nobody has even criticized co-sleeping. This very morning I was advising a friend with a seven week old baby who wouldn't sleep apart from her to take the baby in bed with her for the time being. Is this someone 'hostile to co-sleeping'? No, it's someone who thought that particular article was unpleasant in tone and actually said that people who don't co sleep will have children that reject them and are likely to be mentally ill!!! Now that, if you ask me, is hostile.
Co-sleeping is fantastic...for some parents and some babies. Not all. And there is zero evidence that not co-sleeping causes damage, so I do object to reading that it does.

Heathcliffscathy · 31/08/2004 20:26

go aloha, and check your fan thread. and check your email please

Slinky · 31/08/2004 20:54

Hurrah for Aloha - voice of reason

MarmaladeSun · 31/08/2004 21:18

Lulupop. Thankyou for that gesture. It is nice when things can be resolved in an adult way. Unfortunately it would appear that not everyone can agree to disagree. To the question about daytime naps... my DD has a 3 hour nap in the morning and takes it in her cot. I do cuddle her to sleep however ducks to avoid the condemnations. In all seriousness, despite people saying this is another no-no, I enjoy, no...actually cherish, the times when she is sleepy and then drops off on me, all content and warm. Yes, there are a million other things I could be doing with that time, but for now, when she is still so tiny I choose to spend it doing this. Canadianmom, I believe we have been here before in this situation on another thread...do you remember? Again, you were on my wavelength. How are you anyway? Aloha, you make it sound like I posted the article to have a go at non co sleepers. To be perfectly honest I didn't even look at it from a 'non' point of view as it was intended for those of us who do or are considering it. It will make me very wary of trying to help anyone again I have to say.

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Canadianmom · 31/08/2004 21:48

Marmaladesun, I do indeed remember the psychological damage you inflicted on your family earlier this year! Never mind. Without having expressed any opinion on the topic of this thread I have been accused of being nasty. Better get thicker skin if I intend to express my opinion.

joanneg · 31/08/2004 21:56

marmaladesun - do you have 5 children?? I can just about cope with my 1 ds who is 2. How on earth do you cope?!

woodstock · 01/09/2004 04:08

I'm a bit late getting back to this thread so bear with me in backing up to the discussion on Sears. Here's my experience trying out one of his recommendations. First the quote from The Baby Book : "If you get to your baby quickly before he completely wakes up, you may be able to settle him back to sleep with a quick laying on of hands, a cozy cuddle, or a warm nurse." Well, the result of that in my situation at least was a child who got so used to being got up at his slightest whimper that he had no ability to self-soothe. After several months of getting up every 1 1/2 to 2 hours I followed some different advice and started hesitating before getting him up. Sometimes it only took 30 sec. to a min. for ds to go back to sleep. Nirvana! Wish I had known that before I started scooping him up immediately. Anyway, sorry this is so long, but I do wish I had burned that book initially. Would have done me much more good than any of the advice I got out of it.

MarmaladeSun · 01/09/2004 07:46

Canadianmom, you and me both it seems. Anyway, back to the terrible psychological damage I inflicted on my children earlier this year, (and according to some my husband too ) it would seem that my actions were so traumatic that my children have developed a condition called 'I love my baby sister so much I just can't stay away from her syndrome'! Seriously though, there has been no 'sibling rivalry' and they can't do enough for her. bad BAD Mummy!

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MarmaladeSun · 01/09/2004 09:04

Hi Joanneg. Yes, I have 5 children (not to mention 2 labrador puppies LOL). The oldest is 16 and the youngest 6 weeks. I'm in the middle of my final exams for a diploma and I study with the baby in a sling on my chest! I have to say that I haven't been able to do a lot of studying while the children have been on school hols, but will be back on it with a vengeance tomorrow, although I will miss the children being here during the day. DH is in the army, so you can never be sure that he will be around from one week to the next, so you learn to be resourceful and self sufficient. How do I cope? At the risk of sounding antagonistic I cope by getting a good night's sleep; it's the only way I can. With that I think you can cope with anything. That, and the fact that I thrive on organised chaos! LOL.

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aloha · 01/09/2004 11:29

I'm afraid it is rather nasty and even spiteful to use phrases like 'sinking to their level' - meaning, presumably, my level. Did I use a phrase like that? No. Did anyone say that co-sleeping caused psychological damage? No. But the article strongly suggested that NOT doing so did. The criticism of individuals is, I'm afraid, very much one way.
I am all for people posting their happy experiences of co-sleeping. I've spent many hours with my own son in my bed, with various degrees of sleeplessness. But I don't think it is 'helpful' to post stuff implying that not doing so will cause catastrophic damage to children.

aloha · 01/09/2004 11:31

And nobody on Mumsnet has ever condemned a mother for cuddling her six week old baby to sleep! Where on earth did you get that from? You have simply made it up.

MarmaladeSun · 01/09/2004 11:42

For the love of God Aloha...are you doing this on purpose? It seems to me that you are just now looking for an argument. I have already explained myself and will not do so again. And where did I say that it was people on this site that condemned mothers for cuddling their babes to sleep? Nowhere. So please read the posts properly before you presume to react. Society in general, health care providers (present company excepted Mears...I know you are not counted among them) berate mothers for doing this as they say it will stop the baby being able to fall asleep alone. I DO have contact with people outside of Mumsnet you know. Your prelonged opposition to my original post is verging on the ridiculous now, and frankly becoming boring.

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