Sleep is for the Weak! we got too big?!!??!?!!??

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can you believe that?! we got too big?
we should surely get an award from Mumsnet?

Amber: have heard good things about the swimming classes (at Sunstone). Lots of nice places to lunch on CHurch Street, depending on what you like to eat. Nicest Indian is Rasa - Keralan veggie food. Blue Legume for nice salads. Il Bacio for Italian (would recommend the Express rather than the main restaurant). The Fox Reformed also does great food and I've seen people in there with babies but prob not the most baby-friendly place.

If you need any more info, let me know

I'll ask DH about the blog tonight. After checking with my parents who have been flooded

EP i think thats a great idea would be a really great way to get some support out there. its amazing how many people look at me when i tell them dd not sleeping thru. am sure they think its something i'm doing or not doing maybe
must admit, even i thought that bubbas slept thru having been lucky with ds who slept thru at 3mths. i now that that he was the exception rather than the rule

oohhh and hope your parents are ok

Meg, I've heard people recommend the cherry teat dummies as they don't fall out as much. That might be an option. If it's any help, we went through a stage like this, I think they just start sleeping really lightly. It's not nearly as bad these days.

Tibs, hell no it doesn't make you bad parents AT ALL. If I had the opportunity I'd do it. I think it'd probably be good for all of you. Think how lovely it will be to see them when you get back.

EP, bloody great idea re blog. I'm seriously thinking about this book thing too but maybe it can follow at a later date. Need to get off my backside tho A blog would be great tho. Who was it Meg or Bags that is a production editor so they can check spelling and grammar . Hey, I'm feeling a business opportunity coming on.

I really think that, like ours, there must be loads of non sleeping babies out there with parents that need support. I got a bit miserable over the weekend when my only other friend with a non sleeper told me that she's started sleeping. They'd been doing CC and it took about 4 weeks . I started to feel all inadequate again coupled with other friends telling us to get her out of our bed. Said to DH that it seems to bother other people more than us. They all seem to assume that it means you have no sex life. I straight faced told them that we never had sex in bed anyway and were more adventurous than that I was laughing inside. Anyone else feel like the pressure from others seems to make night wakings more difficult to handle?

Ginger: the advantage with a blog is that we would own the copyright, so if we wanted to do a book in the future we could. Will ask DH about it: he has a blog so should be able to help.

I get v depressed at other babies who sleep. Then again, DS is developing at a rate of knots, so perhaps tied together? I try and ignore advice and don't mention sleep unless someone asks.

Got hold of parents and water is retreating so looks like they'll be OK

Twas I who's a production ed, also used to do lots of stuff for magazine website. And in fact I did write a blog all through my pregnancy; meant to keep it updated post-birth but never had the blimmin' time!

ginger at your 'never in the bed' retort! good on ya!!!!!!

another thing i get re. sleeping or lack of, is, 'are you still bfing?.... thatll be why then, my little johnny/jenny never slept thru til i put them on the bottle'

EP, i quite agree about the developmental stuff. dd is attempting a couple of new things at the moment. (multi tasking methinks!!!)its got to make a difference to their ability to settle

Hi there,

Agree wholeheartedly Ginger that pressure from others makes it worse. Everyone seems to have rose-tinted spectacles, and tells me their LO slept through from 6-12 weeks!

Each of my sisters had one that slept and one that didn't, regardless of feeding, activity, where they slept, (2nd baby didn't sleep for one sister, and that's not a good way round!), and judging from MN that seems about par for the course.

I did read an article that suggested the best way to deal with others "helpful" remarks about babies waking is to lie. Just say "sleeping through, everything's great" to avoid the ineviteble critical/patronising remarks. I wonder how many people do this?

By the way cranial osteopath doesn't think it's worth us coming back! Glad that LO is fine and dandy, but part of me would have rather there was something that could be fixed! Back to the drawing board....

Tibs - take a guilt-free break from DS and DD!

you know what guys, as the concensus seems to be dump the kids .......i think we jolly well shall in the nicest possible way of course ds wouldnt enjoy it anyway. being nearly 13 and not knowing anyone, he'd be bored and spend the afternoon rolling his eyes!!
thanks to my sleepless sisters advice panel!! xxxx

bags, its nice to hear that your lo is perfection personified tho isnt it, if C.O has nothing to work with

thanks EP, i always wanted to try rasa, i spent some time in india doing yoga before this whole baby thing, and am partial to a good dosa. but i heard it was only open for lunch on weekends ... will check. other suggestions sound good though.

of course, weekday. Worth checking Rasa, but if not go for Il Bacio Express - lovely pizzas and they have high chairs.

There's also a lovely baby yoga class near there at Yogahome on Wednesdays. I used to go before it started clashing with DS's nap time (it's at 10:30).

Shock here - DS went to sleep pretty quickly, no screaming, just with me keeping my hand on his tummy! For the past week or so I've been patting, shushing and have had to resort to rocking the cot to get him to sleep (luckily it's pretty light).

Will quiz DH on blogs this evening...

good ds, EP. i am so grateful that mine settles easily in the evening. am truly blessed (apart from 5 months of hell wakeups all night of course)

bags, the cranial osteopath said the same to us when i tried to get him to 'fix' LO's sleep. they couldn't find anything wrong. sigh.

Have had an evening of DH talking to me veeery slooowly and have registered for a blog - working on the details but will put up the link in a day or two for suggestions. You can have multiple administrators and multiple posters, so hope it will work

Good plan, EP.

Well... DS managed a whole two hours asleep after bedtime, then needed a brief shushing back to sleep, and all quiet again thus far (crosses everything, twice)...

Here's to restful nights all round.

Morning all,

hope your LOs were kind to you .

EP - blog sounds great. I'll look forward to hearing more.

DD slept 7-11. I should have got my head down then, because she was up at 11, 2, 4, 5 for the day, and has just been screaming from 6-7.30.

We've just got rid of the evening screams - anyone have any experience of extreme early morning unsettledness?

welldone eP! good work

bags - poor you, i remember nights like that all too well.

our night was ok, a screaming waking at 10.30 but went back to sleep after a huge feed. another feed at 3.30, brief waking at 6.30, then wake for day at 7.40

Morning, Amber and Bags.

Bags, sorry your morning was so crap - we have had plenty like that, although we always bring him in with us if he wakes after about 5ish 'cause he usually settles back down for a while.

Our night was actually OK - fed at 11, 2, then in with us from 5 til 7.15. which is a good night by recent standards!

Bgas: I'm with you on the unsettled mornings atm . Another very restless night last night - lost count of wakings. The main problem is that he's taking ages to settle again (up to 1/2 hr at a time - grrr). Anyway, am chalking up to grwoth spurt, being Zen and not thinking about logging his wakings for another week to see if the settling to sleep thing is helping at all. If he's still bad tomorrow night will bring him straight into bed with is, latch him on and doze

bags/ep, i find that if LO has a bad night, or gets up too early, the mornings are a disaster - maybe overtiredness?

LO is back in bed. yay. he's started taking a few naps in his pram which is useful when i need to do stuff (or get out for sanity). he only goes 30-45 mins though.

am sooooooooooooo tired today. don't know why as ds was ok (woke twice and then into bed with us about 4)not best night but not the worst by any means. Juts can't get going today at all. I'm making myself a 'proper' coffee to see if that helps.
at least it's stopped raining and looks like the sun is coming out

sorry you're tired tam. after not drinking coffee at all when LO was first born (was worried about BF effects), now you can't hold me back from my daily coffee from the french cafe .. its my treat in the day.

i know amber. i only allow myself one a day. not bf anymore but still don't think it's that good for you. Now if only i could limit the wine to one glass a day too