Lots of CC threads at the moment, got me wondering

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does no one just leave older babies/toddlers who are old enough to understand the words 'It's the middle of the night, it's time to sleep' to cry until they fall asleep when they don't require a feed (or change or dummy retrieval or other practical parental assistance) but just need to learn to self-soothe and go back to sleep by themselves.

It's very common here in France.

I had gone to bad last night when this really kicked off! I vaguely knew Aloha had a had a rough time with one dc sleeping, after what I went thru with dd3 I always do by best to support anyone who wants to solve night waking thru which ever means they choose.

What makes me mad is that there is so little practical help out there for parents who are having a rough time. I love the idealology (??) of co-cleeping and attachment parenting but def not for me. I need my space can't share a room plus with the first 3 had to return to work part time.

I think anyone who uses cc usually does so out of sheer desperation when all else has failed no-one does it thinking, yes this is a great thing to do!

Daddy J (or anyone else?) - have I put my foot in it massively? I've just had a very quick google about 'a certain person' and although can't find any specific mention of crying it out gather that this might be a method that 'she who must not me named' might be an advocate of.

I did 'click here' and read about the legal case ages ago but as the name didn't mean anything to me, it didn't occur to me last night when I did posted my op.

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I am very sorry I got so angry. Stupid and pointless. I never advocate cc as a first resort. But I know what it is like to really suffer utter misery through lack of sleep and just feel such empathy for people who are in the position I was in that I react very badly to people who are so unkind to them.

Thanks Bloss. Well that's a relief! I thought I might have really put my foot in it then.

Although now I'm confused why DaddyJ says people who are fans of cc or crying it out are not likely to be found on mumsnet.

But I've got my answer now, ie that the advice I have been given over here is seen as old fashioned in the UK.

It'll be interesting to see if it comes back into fashion in 20 yrs time!

Oh no, OCC, sorry to have created the impression you put your foot in it!
What happened last night was absolutely nothing to do with your OP, this kind of thing always happens here!

Bloss is right, it is not as simple as I described (I was in a hurry, dd had begun grumbling next door!)
but there are certainly some people around who want to portray it that way, hence the problems.
But no more of that.

I am not sure how many MNers would advocate CIO but there are certainly plenty who are happy with CC, me included.

I am glad you got your answer in the end, though!

I do like the passion in the debates on mumsnet but because of this they sometimes do get out of hand, don't they! Make it very difficult to ask a simple question sometimes. But then, it's very enriching too, making one constantly question one views/parenting style.

Yes, it?s swings and roundabouts!
When I was looking at CC-related info I came across an advice site where there was a CC sleep section and an anti-CC sleep section, no cross-posting allowed.

I prefer Mumsnet.

For example, kiskidee and I sometimes fail to see eye to eye but despite that she managed to inspire me with one of her AP links.
Wouldn't have happened on the other website!

"regards AP sites as gospel" - like which one?

"who thought anyone who let their child cry for five minutes in the safety of their own cot and own home with their parents nearby was evil and inadequate" - did i say 'evil and inadequate' or is that your interpretation of what you think i mean?

" while having their own baby in full time childcare" - are you implying that fulltime childcare a fault of mine but not a fault of other parents who use fulltime childcare and also happen to not agree with the use of cc?

or is this little mea culpa is just a face saving (mn politics) exercise.

by bloss:
As I have just insulted kiskidee's debating technique, however, I should point out that she was at all times courteous and never personal... which is not something you can say about many debates on MN!

thanks bloss! no, you didn't insult me in your opening paragraph. you are free to say and think whatever you like about my debating style.

i hope the weather in Oz is great (butisn't it always though?) and you're having a good day.

OCC, I hope I am not jumping the gun but it appears that Gina Ford and Mumsnet have made their peace today so my comments below are history now