Lots of CC threads at the moment, got me wondering

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does no one just leave older babies/toddlers who are old enough to understand the words 'It's the middle of the night, it's time to sleep' to cry until they fall asleep when they don't require a feed (or change or dummy retrieval or other practical parental assistance) but just need to learn to self-soothe and go back to sleep by themselves.

It's very common here in France.

yes often the best place for most books like that....................

what do people mean when they say 'need to learn to soothe themselves at a young age' though?

what are the advantages of 'learning to soothe themselves.' for the baby that is.

each to their own! Can't use a sling and didn't have enough help to make sitting "feeding" for long periods of times an option - plus we had latch problems until sorted by the cranial osteopath so it was very painful!

Niiice OO. I bought loads of books including that one. Dh also bought loads of books(we are both analysts). DD1 was born books thrown out. New books were sought to make us feel better about our velcro baby. Now have library of sears pantly and jackson lol!

I couldn't think of a response to that Franny.

Like yours though .

CG I am glad you were able to breastfeed despite problems

my dd goes to nursery. i've learnt that on the night she wakes up more often and ask for a 'comfort suck' she is 9 times out of 10 coming down with a cold.

she is at 2yo yet to have any antibiotics or suffer from vomiting or diarrhea. pretty good for a child in full time daycare from 4 months and still gets to bf at night.

"learn to soothe themselves" can only say what I mean for mine it was........

dd1 - using a dummy to get to sleep
dd2 - sucking her thumb at 4am instead of my nipple and stroked her rabbit
dd3 - she never soothed herself she passed out from exhaustion due to undiagnosed acid reflux but at some point started sucking her thumb and cuddling her toy
dd4 - always sucked her fingers to sleep and in time stroked her cot bumper and then soft toy dog.

I suppose I mean sleep associations - they didn't rely on me cuddling them or feeding them to sleep.

Oh FFS this is SO smug.

Aloha - I was lucky, I know it, I admit it - with dd1 I had my now ex-dh to help me who'd done it all before which made it easier with the others but I went to hell and back with dd3 she slept 8/24 hours for the first 6 months possibly longer she didn't nap she just screamed and I was told it was colic. It was hell, if she had been my first I don't think I would have had anymore.

Also we had to cope with the fact when she was diagnosed that those times when we had left her screaming because the alternative was throttling her she was in excrutiating pain.

Full time daycare? You disgusting monster. You aren't a parent at all. You just let strangers mind your baby as if she was an animal in a zoo.

Actually, I don't think that. But bloody hell, to be lectured on parenting by you makes me laugh. Don't you know anything about glass houses?

Agree Franny.

Otherside - if a baby or toddler is sucking on a breast it is getting milk. That is the physiology of breasts. They cant suck and not get milk.

If that is for comfort - why not? We all like a glass of wine or something at the end of a long day, dont we? Why do we expect different from children?

Mind you, that may explain a great deal about the amount of wine consumed in france.......

Not to you, cargirl.

kiskidee - what about your other children?

Aloha are you venting at Kiskidee or everyone on this thread?

Do you know I am sure I read some threads from you ages ago about sleep problems with your baby and you got a sleep professional in is that right? Sorry if I am confusing you.

I read those threads jealously but I couldn't have done it. Didin't mean I wasn't jealous of the result.

Actually VVV I thought they could suck and not get milk - must check.

Kikisdee is just horrible. But now I am PSML about all this attachment parenting/let your child cry for five minutes and you are a monster crap and NOW she reveals she has her baby in full time childcare from 4 months!

non-nutritive sucking

Maybe if I had had no interaction with my children during the day from four months old, I would have felt guilty about not being up all night. As it was, I had a TON of good, loving interaction all day and needed my sleep to be able to provide that.

Aloha!

Steady on lady!

MRs A - as far as I am aware, there is "non-nutritive sucking", but there is still some milk transfer.

I am just pointing out how offensive her posting style is, actually. And it bloody is. And she is a total hypocrite.

And let's face it, she's hardly held back from the judging has she? Would like to point out something about glass houses and stones.

Aloha - has there been another thread then that I have missed?

Yes there has. With Kikisdee throwing about all sorts of crap.