'Sleep is for the Weak' for anyone with August/Sep 06 DC's

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GM, Cruise and anyone else with LO's born around August/September 06' - this is a support thread for when you have no clue as to why your LO is doing the exact opposite to what they were doing last week and when you are thinking WTF????
Post on here and we shall all compare notes and comfort each other!!

cruise, not sure what you mean by "It is in 'sleep'"?

well I got dh to do baby whisperer pick up/put down method over christmas which was a big help, I also found experimenting with positioning helped (he prefers to sleep on his side and won't sleep on back unless in deep sleep), you can buy sleep positioners to stop them rolling onto their front although I've never had him do this with the two rolled up towels that I use (they are bath towels so quite big). he likes to feel "hugged" by the towels so won't sleep without them either... also understanding that sometimes he has to grumble himself to sleep a bit, so I have to hold back and let him settle himself rather than rushing in. if I am in the room he won't go to sleep (mummy much too interesting to look at!). having said that if he hasn't settled after about 15 mins or is crying hard we go and get him and try again later or go out in buggy. he still does get fed to sleep at night simply 'cos he drops off while feeding (breast or bottle), which prob isn't helping him settle for day naps but at least it helps him get back to sleep again in the night. he has been known to take a dummy in the night too when very drowsy and this has helped him get off again although he won't take it in the day.

was that what you wanted?

ha ha cruise I just realised you were just giving me the title of your thread rather than asking a question - doh ! oh well you got my reply anyway lol!

hi well ive been signed off work with flu and docs reckon lo has the same so to have lots of sleep but last night was better but must admit just put her in the v pillow between us and she slept much better woke at 3 and 5 and 8 then gave her some medised coz she was so snuffly and we slept on and off til 12

im definatly gonna do a concrete cant be comprimised routine wen were both better

sorry to hear about you eldest was poorly kiera

hi ladies, just wondered if anyone had any ideas. we appear to have had a complete regression sleepwise

last night was crap, ended up losing count of times dd woke. tonight, she fell asleep for 6.45pm on boob as i was watching tv and big mistake.... she has since woken at 7.15, then again at 8.45, and i've been up to her 4 times since then what the hecks going on? ds has just called upon dp to come and rescue me and it appears to have gone quiet, so fingers x'd.

dont know what else i'm supposed to be doing. even gave her calpol before bed although i try not to, cos i thought her gums (teeth) were playing her up. help!

ps meant to say sorry booby that you're feeling so ill, must be horrible having lack of sleep to contend with as well. at least i don't have flu too heh? hope you feel better soon

How old is your LO Tibsy? Mine seems to have turned a bit of a corner and she's 22 weeks. I'm not saying she's brilliant by any means but she has stopped (cross fingers emoticon) doing that waking every hour thing that she was doing recently. Her new trick however is to be up for some time pooing! Every time I put her down for a nap she poos. Last night she pooed twice once at 3 ish once at 4ish. Anyway, my point is, perhaps it is just a phase they go through with the hourly thing but then again who flippin knows. I've given up trying to phathom it out

morning all. well what a night.... after I put ds to bed asleep after bf he was really unsettled and would not nod off. he alternated between cooing and really screaming until 9:10pm. It was awful but I am at the ned of my tether with his bedtime settling (or rather lack thereof!). I don't know how to convince him that it is safe to fall asleep in his cot.I stayed by him and stroked his face/head but he would not go to sleep. inthe end I had to get him out of cot and comfort/bf him because dd couldn't get to sleep with him crying. After that he slept until 6am but it was not ideal as he had to cry such a lot. I really don#t knowhow to combat this bedtime ritual. Also, he seems to be pooing at nighttime too. I am also sure tht his daytime naps (usually averaging around 3.5hrs ona good day) are just him making up for lost sleep at bedtime.....

ginger - she's 6mths on the 27th! probably just is a phase (again!), but its hard to remember that when you think you're getting it sorted and then bam! it all goes pear shaped again ho hum
got in to bed with her at 10.45pm as dp had been up to her 3 times as well and she slept til 2.30am, so not too bad. didnt wake then til 5.45, then up for day at 7am when dps alarm went off. (he of course is still in bed as it's half term...grrr)!
glad to hear that your lo has turned a corner, am keeping fingers x'd for you too!

cruise - my sympathies don't know what advice to offer other then hang on in there. has your other thread offered any ideas. i've dusted ncss off again!

Tibsy, Sh!t, that means that mine will start again soon

Cruise, I totally sympathise. My DD ALWAYS cries and screams and fights before bed and I find it exhausting and dread bedtimes. Did someone on the other thread suggest just keeping him up until after DD had gone to bed just so you get some time with her? I know this doesn't help with your routine but perhaps give it a go? Even if it's just for a few days to get your head together. I'm lucky in that I've only got the one but I know I wouldn't have the time to indulge the second in such a way. I think you're doing a terrific job and you should be so proud of yourself. Unfortunately our kids DH's will never appreciate this. Only other mums will ever be able to understand what your going through

I don't know what else to suggest. I just find all the waffle in these books a load of baloney.

If you post a message on the BF board for TikTock, she's a bf councellor and may have some advice about bf to sleep etc. She seems to offer some pretty sound and sensible advice.

I'm going to have a little think see if I can come up with something you haven't tried.

GN - I did try keeping lo up until dd's bedtime a few nights ago on advice from MN. He was sound asleep by around 7pm and I kept him in my arms till around 8pm and then chanced putting him to bed as I needed to be mobile (get dd a drink, go to loo, answer phone etc.) Within 5 mins he was awake and I had to do the whole coaxing back to sleep again while dd should have been in bed asleep. It didn't stop the problem - just deferred it to a time that was not condusive to sleep/rest for anyone! I seem to be forever batting back peoples suggestions but in reality I do cherrypick and try them out if they sound workable. Thanks for continued support

ginger - where isthe breasfeeding board? I would love to find TikTok

It's under feed the world, 'breast and bottle feeding'. Good luck

Phew, i just can't keep up with this thread!Seems like we all had a rotten night last night.
ginger/kiera,don't know if this is any help,but 'boots' do a range of bottles and teats which are supposed to be for combination feeding,and they're great.The teats have sort of nippley shaped textured ends,and are more life like-if that makes sense?..
they have a rounded base bit too,so more like breast.worth checking out.

ginger - don't panic! think it may be her gums (still no bloody teeth, but we've had all the symptoms forEVER!) her cheeks are flaming red. she has napped longer today so hopefully thats a good sign for tonight

redbeki - thanks for the bottles tip, have stocked up on tommee tippee for now but will bear in mind for any future purchases!

well I gave dh a night off last night as he has been ill and did all 3 night feeds myself (12ish, 3ish, 5ish) but with the result that I was drained of milk by morning as boobs had got used to lo having a 7oz bottle in the night! lo fussed over both boobs all morning till I gave him a bottle of formula myself at 12 and he took 6oz and seemed much happier. was quite amazed he was willing to take it from me - little greedy guts! but then would not go down for naps at all today, had maybe half an hour in the morning then finally crashed on the way to baby clinic at 1.30pm. of course I had to wake him up to be weighed (could not go at any other time) and you know what they say about never waking a sleeping baby...all hell broke loose later as he was then over-tired and would not go to sleep in his cot when we got home. it was awful, he cried so much, I even tried to bfeed to sleep in desperation but he woke again after 15 mins. finally got him to sleep at 4pm by putting him in his snowsuit which he seems to love and giving him a dummy. left his bedroom window open and turned down the heating so he wouldn't overheat. then he slept for just over 2 hours! it was most annoying too as ds1 was out at playgroup and this was supposed to be my precious hour to myself...

thank god he is at least sleeping well at night inbetween the feeds and is going down ok at bed-time at least I have that to be thankful for - really feel for you cruise/ginger.

well shes still up oh god help me

hi kiera,Oh dear,I know what you mean about those baby clinics,they are on at the most awkward times,thats why i can never get to them on time,its too cold to take all their clothes off.My lo has only been twice in 5 1/2 months! oops,oh well,I know she's thriving.Better luck for next time.My h.v. did suggest that they will weigh at home if you can't get to them,maybe you should ask?.
I had a rotten night ,2nd night of dd being in bed all night from 12!I' m thinking of giving her a bottle and ditching the b.f.ing in the night.It's turning me into a bad tempered zombie!I don't want to give up the b.f.ing though.she's draining me,how long can I go on like this????

Ginger - we're still trying a book ... so far it seems to be working though I prefer to be skeptical for a while.

And I really do think that some DHs - maybe just a few, but some - do understand. To me that's like some guy saying "women always ..." DH does a very, very good job with our kids. He is completely sympathetic. And if I left for 3 days he could handle it without complaining.

Ginger - sorry. Sorry. sorry. sorry.

He's just been really really great for me lately. I couldn't leave that alone b/c for me that's just never been the case. Especially when it has come to this second son I have been extremely grateful for his help.

It's a detail and I know I overreacted.

hi!
booby, hope you managed to get your lo off to sleep after, god, that was a late night..
redbeki, chin up it WILL get better, my dd has had a funny week, then last night was good by comparison.
hope all you other mums are ok out there and i wish you all restful and peaceful nights

Marls, not sure what you're appologising for, you haven't offended me so don't worry. We all moan about our DH's at time and it's good to. Doesn't make them bad people just bloody irritating at times honestly though I didn't give it a second thought.

DD sleep is definately consistantly better although still far from perfect but we're back to a pattern that is similar to the previous 11, 3 and 7 feeding. It's only taken about 2 months! Wish we could conker the dirty nappy overnight business lol. Maybe I'll have to start another thread on that, although where would it fit?

I bet I've jinxed myself now. We've had injections today also so who knows.

Hope everyone's well. Sympathies redbeki

Thanx Tibsy ,She's down now,and fast asleep s,so I'm having a glass of wine,and I hope tonight is better.Maybe I should just stay up all night ,and not even try 2 go 2 sleep.I read an article years ago,not sure where,that said we don't technically need to sleep! saying there's no real reason for it.Some mad scientist ,not sure what he meant really,but it's a thought!

fellign good. ds settled by 8pm ( a record in recent times!). one waking last night, one the night before. Don't qutie know what tonight holds but feeling positive
n'nite all

good luck cruise ,lets hope its a good night.