Anyone on for another 4 month sleep regression hand-holding thread?!

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DD2 is 16 weeks and had been doing 7pm - woken up at 11.30ish for a feed - 5 or 6am. Happy days.

She is now waking up anytime between 7 and 10pm, going back down but reliably waking up for 2-3 hours between 3 and 6am. It is torture. I know this is a predictable phase that will pass, but christ it is miserable.

Waiting to see what tonight brings . I know there had been an active thread that seems to have died - hopefully meaning that all those babies are now sleeping beautifully

Sorry.... meant spillyo!

Fluffi - I was asleep, I didn't notice! I lay down with him,latch him on and leave him to it.
We had a good night last night due to calpol for a post jabs fever.
We are going to put him in the cot on the weekend so altho he's been OK on alternate nightst, I fully expect it all to go to shit again.

I think Amazon have the deluxe or grand sleepyhead on sale at the moment, for £99. Whichever is for older kids

Hi everyone. Sorry to hear about your night Starfish. Saranga, calpol has the opposite effect on my DD - seems to keep her awake!

Better night here, the post jabs effect seems to be wearing off thank god. Although we had a wakeful hour from 4am. Rocked her for ages and went to sit on the bed for a break. But in the dark room I misjudged where the bed was...and fell flat on my bum, still holding baby!! Luckily she was fine, but we both cried from the shock! Scary to think how clumsy sleep deprivation is making me. I've broken so many glasses recently that I've taken to using plastic ones!

Hello all, I am new to this thread but found it on a search this morning cos my 15wo little boy is being a horror at night!

I wanted to ask: is anyone else ending up co-sleeping (unwillingly! This is not what I wanted!) as a result of the sleep regression??

The only way my DS will settle after 1am at the moment is in bed with either me or my husband. We put him in the sleepyhead on top of the duvet so he is safe and cannot fall out/get squashed.

We have tried everything else to settle him - he doesn't feed at night any more (FF and has a big dream feed at 11pm which sees him through happily till morning....I know he is not hungry when he wakes at night because he never fusses for his morning bottle until around 8am, despite getting woken up for the day by his toddler brother at 0630!).

We can settle him with shhhhhimg and his dummy but he just wakes up every 30 mins after 1am unless he is in bed with one of us 😫😫😫

My first son never did this and I really don't want to co sleep in the long run. Am scared to setting a precedent which we can't then undo.

Anyone else co-slept temporarily during a sleep regression and then got their LO back in their cot afterwards??

Bot are you me?

Yes this is ds. FF and only has one night feed, still waking every 30 mins to one hour. Some nights will only settle in our bed.

I've mean 'told off' now by everyone I've mentioned it to. But what's my alternative? Stay awake ALL night?

What I have now done is moved the cot so that it is right against the bed. He still woken often but I've been able to reach through and give him his dummy, hold his hand, stroke his face without getting out of bed. It has worked the past two nights.

I found this, it's hilarious and I completely relate to it.

bigtroubleinlittlenappies.com/baby/guide-to-co-sleeping/

He goes to bed fine but after a certain time, could be 11. 12. 1 he starts to wake constantly. I'm literally up and down like a yoyo and eventually he just won't settle.

Sleeps soundly in our bed though, I don't mind but don't really want him there when he's a toddler.

We started co-sleeping a week ago, something I swore blind I'd never do.
My boy still wakes up whenever he wants, but alk I need to do it put a boob in his mouth then I go back to sleep.
We go up at about 8pm and get up at about 8/39.
We're going to move him to the cot on the weekend. I am not willing to co-sleeping indefinitely and at 6 months I want to be back in bed with my partner. So the boy has to learn to sleep on his own again.

I'll be in the same room as the cot till he's 6 months though.

I've resorted to co-sleeping towards the small hours - she starts off in her crib but eventually settles much better just next to me, not feeding but just near me. I joked to my DH that we'll have to chuck out the expensive cot bed mattress we got her and get her a tempur as that's what we have and she clearly prefers it!

I miss sleeping in the same bed as my DH now though. Want this to end so he can come back to bed and I think we'll be moving her to her own room at 6 months if it hasn't resolved (and possibly even if it has) at least then I'd get a few hours with him before having to jump ship to another room.

The thing I'm finding really hard is not getting anything done.

I thought this would have improved by now. Ds won't have being put down. I can't get on with having him in a sling I get hot and bothered, my back hurts and it's just too awkward.

He won't nap unless I lie with him , I've just tried to get him to nap in his cot and he slept for 20 minutes at the most. Most days I just give in and either sleep with him or let him nap on me while I watch to or mumsnet.

I do the basics make beds, washing, make food, putting things away. The house is dusty, windows are filthy, ds1 room needs a good sort out, I like shit.

We sit ds in a highchair with some toys right next to us while we eat but he just cries and cries.

I've noticed he's hardly cried the past couple of weeks because I've just held and played with him constantly, co slept too. I don't mind, I love just bring with him but the mess is starting to get to me now.

That was supposed to say I look like shit.

Did you ever pursue the allergy issue purple? 2/3 weeks of dairy and soya free might just be what you need? I know my daughter was similar as you describe with the crying until I cut it out.

I caved and gave a cleaner for 2 hrs a week. I feel guilty as I'm on mat leave, but not that guilty! It's certainly taken the pressure off.

Sorry for confused between pyjama and purple - I'm sleep deprived don't ya know

I feel the same pyjama. .. obv I can get bits and pieces done with him in the sling but not loads!

During the day feeds last about 5 minutes per side and he doesn't feed to sleep.
Last night he was attached to me pretty much the whole night. As far as ican tell given i was mostly asleep, we had maybe 2 hours, in seperate half hour chunks, where he wasn't suckling.
Any other co-sleepers had this? Is there any point in me trying to feed him more in the day or is it just a phase he's going through? I'm guessing it's a phase.

I have a fast letdown so never had the long suckle type feeds. Kelly mom talks about reverse cycling though and it sounds like it would be worth trying to get more calories in during the day.

I'll look that up. Cheers.

Can I join in please? Although my DD2 is 5 months and I'm not sure we regressed from anything as she has always fed to sleep (and BF too so DH can't do it).
She is asleep now next to me, going to sneak her into sleepyhead on the bed next to me (she has grown out of her crib and is in the big sleepyhead now) and get to sleep myself soon cos that's how I roll now!

Doing all the same things plus more (cosleeping) that I did with DD1 but she needs help to sleep and I'm knackered so I do what I need to for an easier life!

Saranga I wondered about reverse cycling too as my DD is getting quite nosy and tricky to BF in the daytime but I think more she needs to suckle to get to sleep. Dummies are not a great success but possibly some glimmer of hope with them this week.

Hi all, can I join please? Just joined mumsnet so I can post!

My DD is 17 weeks and we have been sharing a bed since she was about 3 weeks old as she wouldn't settle in Moses basket. I was getting so angry every time she opened her eyes- it was horrid. Never ever thought I would co-sleep, inwardly raised eyebrows at mums who told me they had done before my DD was born! Now I love the cuddles and being able to feed her super quickly. What I do not love is going to bed at 7.30-8pm every night and becoming an all night buffet service!

Up to a couple of weeks ago we often had 1-3 wake ups per night and she seemed to be going longer and longer - progress!! I thought. Once she even did 8 hours (3.30am-11.30am- couldn't bear to wake her!) Now we have definitely hit the dreaded sleep regression and she has been waking up so many times I have lost count. Max 2 hours between wake ups, often much less. Every time 'coughing' which is her signal for the boob. And I see this could go on until she is 6 months???!! And then another regression due at 8 months?! I thought this parenting lark was supposed to get easier!

I also have issues with naps, I try to get her to go longer than 40 minutes but this tends to be with a boob so she spends a lot of the time with her boob in her mouth asleep on or next to me. I know this is supposedly a bad habit but the thing that gets me is what is a mum supposed to do when you know your baby needs sleep? And if babies need sleep then why won't they flipping sleep? Is it because historically they were carried always so would just sleep in those conditions like in a sling?

DH took her for an hour this afternoon so feeling more human after a kip. I just cannot imagine: 1. ever leaving the house in the evening again. 2. ever having another child 3. ever having an evening to myself again.

Sending sympathy to all my fellow sleep deprived mummies. I know it will pass and everything is just a phase. And I don't want to wish my life away with my gorgeous baby. But I kind of do anyway.

oh nutbrownhare, it sounds stressful. Have you tried transferring her to a basket once she's asleep just at the start of the night? We manage to get my DD into the crib from 7-10 and then I come to bed, she'll wake at some point and generally refuse to go back in so comes in with me from then on. I have no idea how people put them in 'sleepy but not asleep' so I always have her on me for 10-20 mins after she falls asleep and then carefully move her over.

For the naps have you tried a dummy? (we haven't here so no idea how feasible that is). Or have you tried the pantley method of getting them to stop being on the nipple?

Lili - I think my boy may be reverse cycling and needing to suck to sleep. We've been out a lot in the daytime and he's been getting about 5 feeds a day, but may need more?
He naps for a long time in the day (2hours at a go it can be..) so finding somewhere to sit and feed at rhe right times can be tricky. Plus he gets distracted easily now so doesnt seem to need food like he used to.
I think I need to plan our days better and offer the boob hourly if i can.

Nutbrownhare - I feel similar.

Saranga I think 5 feeds sounds about right... every 3-4 hrs. My DS also gets distracted so i try and feed in a quiet place and put a muslin over him to stop him getting distracted.

Our feed times can be 7,11,3,7 (then all night lol)
Or 7, 10,1, 4 and 7...

It's the only semblance of routine we have in all the nap/4am start to the day chaos.

I'm staring at my 2 yr old willing DS2 to get to his age....

Have to say that I've had to increase feeds to every 2 hrs and that gives me a better night sleep. She's v distracted though so have to feed her in the bedroom every time or in the back of the car if I go to any groups or go out.

Did more feeds today. Hourly when he was awake. Tried to put him in the cot this evening. He fed from 6.30-8.30, then every half hour thereafter.

Unless he goes down in the next half hour I think we'll be co sleeping again tonight