the no-cry sleep solution

[iris66]

has anyone tried it? (book by Elizabeth Pantley) I'm on day 2 & looking for a bit of support as I know it's going to take time. I'm dying through sleep depravation with 8mth DS who bfs to sleep but is very very tricky to move so have been cosleeping whilst he fidgets & kicks all night(and power naps during the day)
Think this is the last chance saloon before ear plugs & leaving him to get hysterical (even though I know that won't happen - i just couldn't, he really does do the whole temper, then sad then hysteria/shaking/terror/I've been abandoned thing - even if DH goes to him - such a mummy's boy)
Anyway, please post if you've been successful with this [hopeful emoticon]

I had a worse night last night, Ds was awake for 2 hours at one stage and woke every 3 hours. [Sad] He is teething though so I'll plough on. Has anyone logged onto Pantley website? I might do that now.
Danceswithbaby - I never ever ever sleep with DH, we both agree that it means less sleep for both of us - hopefully tonight will be better. Wishing you all a good night.

Hi, sorry but i haven't read all the threads and so i do apologise if this has already been said or done.

I tried the no crying book for 1-2 months when my dd was about 15 months old ( i think?). I found that I was pretty much doing everything already ie black out blinds, routine etc etc etc... In the end I felt my last resort was controlled crying - very last resort.

GUess what - within 2 nights she went to sleep all by herself and has not woken in the nights since (unless really poorly which is rare). It has now been about 3 months now and she still sleeps fantastically. (touch wood!!!). I now see cc as a tool - and i was dead against it at first.

I am not saying it is easy but once you start you have to stick at it. The end result is that my dd is sleeping well and is happy and rested. I don't feel that this has changed her bond with me or her confidence at all (which is what i was afraid of). Hope this help.

[delerious face]am suffering from boasters posting jinx.aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!what made thursday night so different??!!and why did i go to bed so late that i didnt even benefit from DDs amazing night! had 2 hideous nights since, not just waking a million times but not going back o sleep after feed, put her in bed with us in the end but i get no sleep then as not a lot of space left after DD and DH have their share.

Dances W.B. your post really struck a chord - i have endless patience with DD but really horrid to everyone else, especially family and DH who are being the most helpful .

what does anyone think of mads1's post, i cant bear the thought of CC but is that because i am a coward?cant imagine gorgeous DD screaming and screaming and feeling abandoned.

Really sorry things have gone downhill again, Bottomburp.

I think I had a slightly better night. I'm not sure because I didn't count wakings or clockwatch for once. We went out yesterday and got dd a gro-bag. I don't know if that helped or whether it was not having DH in bed too but I'm pretty sure we all slept a bit better.

Good idea to look at Pantley's website. I'll do that now while dd naps.

As for CC, there's so many things I'd like to say, but grandma always said that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

must be the phases of the moon, or something (clutching at straws now). We've had a couple of flippin' awful nights, waking every 1.5 to 2 hours. Partly granny and grandad's presence yesterday - lots of stimulation, limited naps - partly who knows what. Back to nap school for us. I'm off to read the book again.

Mads1's post - I think 2 things. One is that cc gets some babies to sleep, but it certainly doesn't work for every baby. The more 'high needs' your baby is, the less likely they are to do the giving in and going to sleep that cc relies on, and the more likely they are to get hysterical. And the other is that I just don't agree with it. I think it's a short cut that often has limited sucess and builds sleep habits on a really poor foundation. And I would go on but I'd get aggressive, and this is a lovely thread so I don't want to be nasty

I haven't read everything on here but I have been using this book for my ds who is 6 months old and I think we are on our way to lots of sleep at night (probably will be up all night now and difficult to settle). I bought a CD from Amazon by a singer called Nicolette Larson called 'Sleep Baby Sleep' it is sooo soothing it makes me fall asleep as well and I made my own version of the snoedel that is mentioned in the book. I now put him down in the cot with the Snoedel turn on the music and he rolls around with the Snoedel and eventually falls asleep on his own within about 10mins and has done now for the past two days. This is a little boy that would under no circumstances entertain the cot and would scream the moment he touched the mattress even when he had been fast asleep in my arms, he was waking every 3 hrs for a feed and will now go 5 hours(all night according to the book!. So it can be done you just have to keep with it and try all the tips

Well done Humphrey!

I didn't glean much info from the Pantley webpage. I expected it to be brimful of testimonials, never mind. DS poorly and teething, poor sausage, had to call DS to come and read him stories at 4am, he just couldn't sleep through the snuffles. I think i'm getting a sore throat aswell....

Hi all not much to report here, still doing the pull off technique she is starting to pull herself off now which is amusing sometimes it's only a few sucks and a huge pull off, turn over and fall asleep. She goes to bed earlier and then wakes up the same amount of times but sometimes she will go back to sleep with a cuddle and a back rub which I suppose is good. When she does have a BF it's 5 minutes max. But the number of wakenings is just the same still it's early days.

Nap times are still a nightmare, lucky if she gets an hour a day I can't comfort her back to sleep then as DD1 is downstairs and I've tried her sleeping in a cot downstairs and that didn't work either.

We've all got colds too which isn't helping think I'll wait until they clear up as I'm sure her coughing was wakening her last night.

Hope everyone else is seeing some improvements, don't give up these babies will sleep through one day!

Well, we all seem to be getting somewehere don't we?! [hopeful emoticon] coughs, colds & teething aside.

Humphrey - thanks for your positive input

mads1 - sorry to be rude (if you happen to read this) but if we wanted to do CC we would have a thread called CC (and thinks to self "and so why don't you just fuck off!!!!!!!" ooops did i really say that?)

DS seems to be getting 11/12 hours a night now with only 3/4 brief wakings for bf back to sleep (wondering how to get him in his cot now.....) But result none the less, non?!

Despite my best efforts at leaving him as much space as possible though - to make him feel "alone" in our bed - ie me sleeping sprawled sideways at the bottom & DH in the spare room. He's sussed that if he cruises sleepily around enough(rolling & semicrawling)he'll bump into me at some point for a relatch or a cuddle grrrrr.

I don't hold out for much further progress as we've a huge family gathering this weekend & I'm maxed out preparing for it all.

perhaps I shouldn't have typed that.....
I'm a bit tired and tetchy at the moment

lol @ Iris sleep deprivation makes you go all funny

We have a bedside cot and sometimes I feed DD2 in it contorting myself in the process so I don't have to move her, only works if I'm feeding from that side though. I would be tempted to sort out the night feeding first then work on the moving to the cot.

Am now mortified. There was no excuse for that really (though I can see why I flipped - I lay funny on sat night & have had a really painful shoulder ever since & so have been even more grumpy than normal - and had just drunk a lge glass of wine on an empty stomach!)

Hideous night last night - very fidgety & very toothy constant latching 1-4. Must keep reminding myself that overall he's improved [weak smile emoticon]

[big hug emoticon] to Iris! Sleep deprivation is a terrible thing. Keep hold of the thought that things are improving if you can - we're all here with you in spirit.

We had a bad night too - third one on the trot since the last decent one, but I think he is getting horrible wind pains from all the solid food he is trying, and they are waking him up. I don't really know if there is much I can do about that (except stop weaning him ).

Thanks to Humphrey for the sucess story - I wonder how you make a Snoedel thingy?

Here is the website for snoedels
I took a large square of a brushed cotton baby blanket folded over to make a triangle sew all open sides together and left a little hole so that can then put in some stuffing for the head, tied the head off with cotton, sewed the hole up and knotted two corners to make the hands bit and did two long triangles together to make hat and sewed on head. Then put inside my top for a bit so that it smells of me an voila one Snoedel that seems to work, don't know whether anywhere in the UK stocks them but you can get similar things in catalogues like Jojomaman and Blooming Marvellous.

Humphrey, you are lovely, I think my sewing might be up to that. I like the idea of making something myself, appeals to my nurturing instincts!

Iris, are you feeling better? Am worried about you being tired and . Hope you are feeling ok.

Bikebug - thanks for the concern honey. I'm ok really, just got a lot on at the mo & letting stuff get on top of me (including everyone in RL constantly telling me I should leave DS to cry ) Hugest apologies for my outburst everyone.
DH has a week off work so is being an utter star helping out & looking after DS whilst I try to catch up with things(I am very lucky). Hope everyone has a good night tonight.

im back.ds is unwell so no sleep at all.funnily enough slept fine apparently while i was away.im going to read and catch up later!dont know if i tried molita,was to drunk to ask names!(half joking!)

Hi Guys - 2 hours of naps today - Hurrah - swimming induced though! 8 yes 8 solid hours of sleep last night - Capol induced though!

Iris re: Mad1 - I'm sure we were all thinking along similar lines - the NCSS is for us types that specfically DON'T WANT to do CC so comments like like are a tad misplaced on this thread so don't worry - I've said much worse in heated moments!

I can't believe this - naps have gone all to pieces now! 3 x 20 minutes today and refuses to go down again for longer. What is going on?? We were doing so well

Iris, you're a star. Don't beat yourself up over it. I thought the same thing myself when reading the post, I just hadn't the nerve to say it. An hours less sleep and I might have done. Anyway, you made my day. I really hope you are feeling better, more rested and on top of things.

Here's anticipating another RSN. Hugs to all who need them.

Blimey Difers! Your post came in just before mine, we must have been typing at the same time.

8 HOURS SLEEP and 2 HOUR NAP?!?! [envy}..

Almost tempted to ask if we can swap babies just for one night......

Oh he's way too cute to swap...what about husbands?

Have downloaded night logs from the Pantley website but if it's another 8 hour stint tonight then I might not even bother to fill in!!

Did I mention that I couldn't sleep and was awake for hours as I'm not used to sleeping more than 3-4 hours????

(Only joking about the husband)

humfrey,glad to hear it works!wow sounds great!love the snoedol thing!(was that name?).iris ,dont worry,it was odd post for ncss,maybe she misread title.dont apologise for what you said,we all feel strongly when it comes to our children.hope your ok.
ds had 2 nice naps today,both on me! but didnt want to sleep tonight.has just gone down holding his toy cow.im missing cot a little,thinking if i had cot hed sleep.although i know he wouldnt.hes unwell so any kind of sleep is gone!

bad bad night.up hourlyuntil 6am.i was so tired i turned of alarm clock and slept till 8 making everyone late!

oooh moljam - I do feel for you lovely. At least you know that it's because he's not well rather than a "normal" thing Hope you can get some rest today.

something I've noticed is that as DS is sleeping longer at night (albeit with lots of wakings) his naps have gone haywire. He wont go down in the morning now (& almost falls leep during his lunch) then may have a (only slighly) longer nap straight after or gets a second wind & then wants to sleep at around 5.Odd eh!

We have family all arriving tomorrow for a long weekend so know it's going to be a nightmare sleep wise. I'll try to keep up with everyones (positive)progress.
hugs & confident sleep thoughts to all.

do any of you have baby same age as my ds,hes 10 months.hes kipping in pushchair at the moment but i know it wont last so cant be bothered to lay down and sleep myself.im finding it really hard.