SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

[cakebaby]

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

Oh FFS not this carry on again

Hi all.... Welcome new joiners! I agree our thread is for support primarily, if someone finds some solutions then great, but 3am can be a godawful lonely place and I find it helps to have a place to at least moan chat about it.

Ds has decided food is all rubbish. Nothing eaten for 3 days now. However, I have given him some carrot puffs which look like wotsits, they seem to melt into a mush and he likes sucking them so at least that's something. Toast got a sneer and dropped on the floor this morning, strawberry yoghurt was also declined. He looked at me like I was trying to poison him

emma have same situation as you - night before last 1 wake up (celebrate!!)...last night - virtually every hour

I understand there are no solutions here, but it's good to talk...

So after feeding DS till after 6am, I've put him back into crib, and he slept about 10 mins... after that he woke up wide awake, blabbering to himself... then made a poo so by the time I changed his nappy he probably thought it was get up time. Had to take his to my bed and we dozed until 10am...

Just tried to make him nap without a dummy. That didn't go well at all. So he hasn't had a nap today at all...

Will go out for a pram walk shortly - I hope he won't scream the streets down...

How old is your little one cake baby? I've been looking for some finger foods but have been a bit reserved as only just 6mo?

For cake and any others with savoury refusers out there - have had some success tonight with a hipp organic carrot and potato jar (old school) tonight for tea. Texture smooth but a bit thicker than the runny ellas first purees if that makes sense.

boo ds is 6 months & 1 week. The pack says stage 2 or 7 months but he shoves everything in his mouth that's NOT supposed to go in anyway so I thought I'd give it a go. I don't leave him unsupervised and he just sucks it til its a mush and rubs it into the sofa if i'm not quick enough to recover it! Toast got rubbed into the high chair tray & dropped on the floor.

Still mostly refusing purees but had a few spoons of strawberry yoghurt from dh this morning. After an initial gurn and looking in the other direction, dh plonked a dab on ds lip & he decided it was quite nice. He then sat with his mouth open like a baby bird. Total refusal of most things at tea time, just pear please and lots of it. Little bugger.

cake even Ella's smooth purées make him gag. I think its taste as well as texture that's foxing him.

cakebaby my DS wasn't enthused about Ella's pouches, sweet or savoury. However he has loved every Hipp one we've given him, more so than almost anything mummy has prepared from scratch . As of today I've started mixing home made stuff in with pouches so it doesn't go to waste and I can still feel semi-worthy haha.

Well I think i've tried all the brands of pouches to no avail. So much for ms karmel's recipes too, none of those liked either. The only things that he will have are home made apple & pear purée and a taste of strawberry yoghurt. Maybe he's just not ready? He starts whinging as soon as he is in the high chair! He liked baby porridge for a week but won't entertain that now either.

How is everyone doing? DS went to bed at 8, woke up 5th time tonight already...

Up again feeding... Anyone awake?

just saying hello. 4 month old been awake since 1am and not going back to sleep. decided to feed him again so hoping that a full tummy might help. I'm tired!

DS woke up again at about 5:30.. So took him to my bed. And then at 7am Ikea people called to say they will be delivering in 15-20 mins

Hi! Please can I join in? My lb is 5.5 months and been waking every 1-2 hours in the night for past 8 weeks and fighting day naps for around same time. Result is a grumpy baby and a very tired mama!
Yesterday we did 90 minute sleep solution (put down for nap 90 minutes after wake up) and it worked - we had a fab day. Today no such luck and not a fab day
Anyway I'm 'patiently' waiting for things to get better and wouldn't mind some sleep deprived buddies

Welcome afrikat!

I need to try this with my DS as he's rubbish napper. How long would your boy nap for (on a good day)?

I'm wondering about this 90 min thing..I'm sure my dd wouldn't go to sleep only 90 mins after last nap it would be too soon. So say they nap 10-11am would you then do another nap say 12.30 till 2 (if lucky!) and then another one at 3.30 till say 4.30?
Today my routine was nap at about 9.45 till 10.45 ish then another at 1 till 2pm then another at 4.15 untill 4.45 and she is just going to bed now (feeding)

Hi! We've only been doing the 90 minute thing since Sunday but it seems to have worked til today but I think that is mainly due to teething pain (or just deciding to mess with me as soon as I think something is working ??)

Basically it's based on the idea babies (and all of us) work on 90 minute cycles of attentiveness / lulls - during the lull they are easy to get to sleep. Up to around 6 months they will generally be ready for a sleep 90 minutes after waking, from around 6 months they can have longer stretches in 90 minute increments - so 3 hours and then 4.5 etc.

So since Sunday I've been putting him down for a nap around 80 minutes after waking and for the most part he has gone down without a fight. A few times he has obviously been wide awake so after 15 minutes I give up, play etc then try again close to the 3 hour point. So far this has worked.

Typical day might be:

Wake 6.00
Nap 7.30-9.30
Nap 11.00-11.30
Nap 2.30-4
Bedtime 7

Or
Wake 6.15
Nap 9.15-11.00
Nap 12.30-1.30
Nap 3.00-4.30
Bedtime 6

Sometimes he ends up with abother catnap around 5. It seemed to be helping him go down easier at night - last night we had our first ever self settle at bedtime then for several wake ups before he wanted feeding again but everything has gone to pot today with teething pains - he has fought naps all day other than in pram and is currently screaming his head off upstairs whilst by other half tries to calm him :(

It's going to be a long night!

Hi and welcome afrikat

My ds is 6 months 1 wk & we have done the 90 min thing since about 12 weeks. He is like clockwork, particularly 1st thing in the morning, cannot stay awake for more than 90 mins after waking for the day. 1st nap used to be an hour or bit more, now reduced to 40 mins ish, another nap 90 mins after waking from that, then he might go 2 hrs before the next & the gap between naps gets longer throughout the day.

Have heard it said that the 1st nap of the day is the easiest to introduce changes to as they are most receptive soon after night sleep.

Naps have definitely improved night sleep here. Far more than weaning as the few half spat out spoonfuls he has sporadically eaten are going to have no effect on his appetite. He sat howling in his high chair 3 times today

Things have got a bit better here, not perfect, but vastly improved, for the moment anyway! I've done nothing different apart from resigning myself to having a reluctant sleeper. Given his recent immense growth spurt, he was waking as he was hungry, I continued to feed ignoring tuts and bosom hoiking from family and at the moment its calmed down. Til the next regression/growth spurt! I just have to stop co sleeping now....ha!

I have been musing about sleep, weaning etc & for every person who swears it has helped, you can find another who swears it hasn't. I don't think its a coincidence that weaning usually occurs around 5-6 mnths and that some babies will just find their own way around that time regardless of what else is going on.

Morning cakebaby :)

I think resigning myself to it and going with it has helped me cope - that and co sleeping

We had a better night than usual but only because he screamed in pain from 6-11pm then passed out exhausted :( I think he only woke at 2 and 5 - thought he was going to start screaming again but quick boob in mouth calmed him. Hoping for a better day today but we are off to inlaws for the weekend and will be difficult to keep on track with naps so who knows what will happen :/

cake can you give me an idea on how you get your 3 meals in around feeds? Am currently doing:
9ish milk
11ish food
12ish milk
3ish milk
5ish food
6ish start bed

Sometimes there is an extra milk on there say 2ish then 4ish
It's the breakfast one in wondering about more, we are sort of on lunch and dinner
Savoury options still refused !

Hi cake (could get confusing )

We never make it to 3 meals! Ds only really has a taste of breakfast and eve meal so can't see the point in shoveling him into his hated high chair for lunch too at the moment.

Today was an anomaly though. Three baby spoonfuls of banana, strawberry and apple from a pouch, a mouthful of toast (think he did it mistakenly but in for a penny etc....). In fact he was screwing up his little nose, moaning and frowning before he even tasted the toast! Tonight I prepared a selection of 3 dishes for his dis approval, expecting all to be tried and declined. DH fed him and he ate the lot AND fruit afterwards he won't eat anything for me, just cries and the whole thing is torturous for both of us.

Ah good work cake !
How was he with the toast re gagging etc? I am ultra paranoid about gagging/choking/throwing up so haven't tried any finger food yet..did mash a banana up today so that was slightly more texture than the smooth purée but that's as brave as I have got.

I'm really anxious re choking as well I gave ds some baby crisp things tonight I held them with him the whole time whilst he sucked & crumbled them! Yuck! I forgot how messy this weaning lark is you've got to have the stomach for this baby lead weaning business (and no cleanliness/ OCD issues either)!!!

Oh I know, i'm terrified of him choking, but everything i've read suggests the gag reflex should cut in before they get to the choking stage

He was gagging and sick a fair few times just on the smoothest purée. He seems to be worse with a loaded spoon being put into his mouth rather than just shoving it in himself with his hands. That's why I tried the toast and little crisp things. I've given him a piece of soft cooked pear, carrot stick, banana, all met with a frown and grimace, though he did struggle to keep hold of the slippery little blighters!

Hi all, I am finding BLW tricky too, DD is fine with purées and mushed up stuff but is slow figuring out what to do with finger food. If we were doing pure BLW she wouldn't be eating anything. We are still on 2 meals at 7 mo, breakfast and lunch, if I give solids in the evening she gets windy at night but our sleep has been so awful lately it probably will make no difference, she is awake screaming half the night anyway . I can't even bear go into detail, suffice to say that the last few nights have mostly been spent with her screaming in my ear or attached to my boob refusing to be put down. I look back on the 4 month sleep regression days with nostalgia. Only an hour to resettle during the night? Bliss!

How is everybody else faring with sleep? Reassuring to see nobody has given 2 teaspoons of baby rice then witnessed a miraculous STTN...

up for another feed. I gave ds baby rice and it's done heehaw for his sleeping!! he has been so unsettled the last few days and I'm knackered! meanwhile dh snores next door. if he says the word tired tomorrow he will regret it! anyway, bored while feeding ds again. zzzzz