SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

[cakebaby]

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

Still on two wake ups a night here, sort of (if the second one is after 5 I call that the morning!). The first part of our night has generally improved, it's the time after the second waking that's still a bit of a shambles.
Last night ds slept til 2.30 after going down at 8.20 ish and needing a quick resettle at around 9. I fed him and he was asleep again by 3. He then woke again at 4.30, not long after I'd dropped off, grr. I didn't think he'd be hungry again so soon but as we're at possible growth spurt age I offered boob and he was! Instead of then bringing him into bed I tried to resettle him. It didn't work. He cried, a lot. DP woke up at 5.10 and went downstairs. DS ended up in our bed.
I need to start some kind of sleep training...

I would love just two wake ups noisy!! Good going I would say! I'm starting to wonder whether long term co sleeping is an option, I'm sure there must be threads on mn re this but I'm too knackered to search! Ds sleeps brilliantly in the evening I put him down sleepy, but awake at 6.45/7 he goes to sleep of his own accord with no fuss just a bit of chattering/ babbling- all the books say if they go to sleep by themselves in their cot that is the solution to night wakings??? Oh no wakes roughly 10/10.30 feeds quickly back in cot no problem what happens next though is awake every hour and a half wanting to feed & not wanting to go in his cot anymore, was so tired last night I didn't battle to get him in his cot again after midnight & we slept together til just after 6! We have not had 6 hours undisturbed sleep before - EVER!!! Anyone else done long term co sleeping??

NoisyBrain I well remember those days!

So, am feeling super cautiously optimistic as DD has, for the past 2 nights, managed to self-settle in the middle of the night without being bf to sleep AND without any screamfests (miracle of miracles!!).

It took over an hour the first night with some grumbling, and last night only 30 minutes! A few whinges and I did have to shush and kept telling her to close her eyes and go to sleep, but that was it!! She woke up at 6.30 both days but I'm not complaining!!!

(Now am wondering if I've jinxed this by thinking things may get a tad better!!)

Booville we co-slept between 2-4.5 months all night long (DD on my chest), then did bouts of co-sleeping whenever DD went all doolally with sleep, which in fact was most nights until about 2 weeks ago. Up till then it was mostly a matter of what time would we co-sleep, ie after the midnight feed, or 2 or 3 or 5 in the morning!

So, am trying to settle them separately tonight as DT1 decided naps were for wimps today so ought to be more tired.
I'm trying to feed him to sleep but he keeps sitting up and shouting nonsense at DT2, who is having his bath with DH.
I usually love it when they chat to each other and make each other laugh but this is not boding well...

Nothing to suggest dreamer but wanted to say a massive hats off and omg to you as dt's + bf'ing + horrid sleep is about as hard as it could ever get!

Oh dear I don't have much knowledge of how to handle twins there must some guidance/ suggestions though in a book somewhere she is harsh but I bet gina ford has a plan for bedtime routine with twins??!! The only person I know with twins probably won't have much advice as they are 3 & she still has a nightmare with them I'm sorry to say - at least you're not alone though!!!

Aaarrgghh DD has a temp and has woken up twice already

She's been calpol-ed and am steeling myself for a crappy night!!

Worst night ever! It's got to be up hill from here. DTs have caught my chest infection so just wouldn't settle. DT2 finally dropped off next to me in the bed but DT1 just dozed lightly in my arms.
DH was supposed to be helping but fell asleep on the sofa downstairs with the baby monitor off.
The worst thing is I can't have any wine to block out the horror for 9 more days.
Have antibiotics for all four DCs pus calpol, nurofen and a very guilty DH on hand tonight.
I Will Sleep!

All 4 dc's?? Did I read that right? You def deserve a medal I can barely cope with my two let alone double that figure omg!!

The 13-yr-old and four yr old are very good though. Frankly don't think I could have managed the DTs today without them!

Another rubbish night here, all the sshh pat etc isn't going to help as when he wants to he does self settle, I put him in his cot awake at the beginning of the night, for his morning nap, sometimes in the middle of the night I put him in awake & he goes to sleep by himself then as well, but the multiple wake ups continue every two hours from 10ish onwards it's ridiculous - any advice? Anyone?

Ps we've started weaning nearly two weeks ago (nearly 6mo) already on two "meals" a day, don't think hunger is really the problem anyway??! HELP???

Boo I'm envious of your DS's self-settling ability, though sorry to hear about the multiple wakings. We took a bit of a step backwards last night, with wake ups at 10, 1.30 and 4 (onwards). DS seems very hungry atm so I'm praying thinking we might well be at the 6-month growth spurt. Could that be the case with yours too?

I was unable to get back to sleep between the last two wakings, so was awake from 1.30 til something past 4, by which point I had DS in bed with me fidgeting and then almost constantly feeding til 7.30. I'm sure it was just comfort feeding after about 5am, but I was too knackered to try and put him in his cot.

As his teething symptoms seem to be alleviating, I'm thinking this weekend we might try pick up put down as the first attempt to get him to self-settle. Does anyone know if we're better to start with naps or bed-time?

I don't know to be honest but I started with nap times just as I was a bit more awake & with it, at night I cave too easily as I'm knackered & half asleep & it quickly becomes an easy option to get him in bed with me!!! Probably my biggest mistake! Good luck noisy keep us posted so we know how you get on?

Hmm, well I've been trying to settle him for his nap using pupd for half an hour and I already feel like giving up! I now have an overtired, cranky, wide awake baby who is due another feed very soon

It's so hard isnt it! Did you try when he was at least already quite sleepy? I've never put ds down wide awake! Also I'm not saying let him scream as such but if you can stand it going downstairs for 5 or even 10mins may do the trick, I think potentially some baby's find it harder to self settle when mummy is next to them as they find it even harder to understand why she/ you aren't picking them up/ cuddling them etc!

He was very sleepy. He'd been up for 1hr 45 and in the morning he's always well ready for his nap after that length of time.

I held him for a little while and sang a couple of nursery rhymes and his eyes closed quite quickly. Bless him he was so relaxed. Instead of waiting a little while til I was sure he was well on his way, I put him down immediately. His eyes then sprang open. He didn't cry straight away so I told him it was nap time and left the room. After some time chuntering he progressed to moaning, then crying. I don't know if I was doing the PUPD wrong, but it just seemed to wind him up more and more. This may be normal for a first attempt of course. After about 45 minutes I caved in and fed him, during which he fell asleep of course.

I'm confused about what you're supposed to do if the process (any sleep training process that is) takes so long you get to the point where baby is due a feed and therefore possibly crying due to hunger!

Oh great, he's woken up. Been asleep less 10 minutes. I know I want him to learn to self settle but I've got a major case of The Fear (of change).

Hello all, welcome new joiners!

Just popping back, still co sleeping, still feeding to sleep.... just can't seem to find a good time to start rectifying our bad habits. If its not colds its sore throats or coughs or some damn thing.

As we're a friendly lot here, can I just ask those of you who are weaning, how its going? We are making painfully slow progress, only likes fruit and sweeter veg purees at the moment and isn't really that fussed about the whole thing. Still gagging lots with very smooth puree and regularly sick, more in the last 3 weeks than his previous 6 months. Any experiences or advice?

cake my ds was like that. I had to just take things very slowly, purees for a good while and didn't really try finger foods until 9ish months and even then there was plenty of throwing up- yoghurts even! It was just a slow process but he got there in the end, by age 1ish he was eating just like the other babies. He had sprout lots of teeth before age 1 though which I think helped. Also BLW had not been 'invented' back then so didn't have to contend with that being rammed down my throat..

Thanks cake I don't think I have the nerve required for blw! Its so frustrating, some days he'll happily scoff away, but most of the time I get a blank look and occasional open mouth if its pear! I did give him a bit of rusk to try, he sucked it into a gooey mess and decorated his clothing, but that's about it. I don't know whether to give him what I know he likes just so he has something and risk creating a nother rod for my beaten back fussy eater or just offer a variety and chuck it when I get the 'meh' look.

I know what you mean. After my brief and unsuccessful attempt at PUPD, we also reverted to what works yesterday to get DS to sleep in the evening and I'm not sure what our next move will be. He did a decent stretch from about 12 til just after 5 last night - if he'd keep doing that then I wouldn't sorry so much about this sodding self-settling lark.

Sorry cake I can't remember if your LO is teething at the mo, but my DS, who has never been a sicky baby, has also thrown up a bit more in the last few weeks and Google tells me that this is also sometimes a teething symptom (on account of the excess saliva irritating their insides). Just a thought.

We took weaning pretty slowly for the first few weeks with DS and he is now generally loving his food, though he often prefers shop bought stuff to things I've lovingly made for him . We had a bit of a breakthrough today with my homemade baby houmous (basically just chickpeas, lemon juice and olive oil). He couldn't get enough of that

If it's any help, my best friend's youngest DD was totally ambivalent about solids til she was about 9 months old, and one of my other friends is finding the same with her nearly 7 month old, so I don't think it's that unusual.

Oops, took WAY too long to type a reply. The 'I know what you mean' was replying to the point about bad habits and the point about teething was to cakebaby - hopefully that was all clear, lol.

Hi noisy he's showing signs of teething according to HV but she said that at the end of Jan & there are no sign of them yet that I can see. When he has eaten, he has slept better, hence I'm keen for him to eat! Its hard as after 6 months of sleep in max 3 hr blocks (and that's rare) I cheerfully but through gritted teeth chuck away most of my carefully prepared mush. He prefers pouches too, but only sweet ones and definitely NO MEAT, god knows where that's come from.

So much for weaning helping sleep, when he has been sick he's produced a milk fountain too so ends up with a totally empty tum which I obligingly refill through the night

Cake if he likes the fruit purees, will he have the fruit mixed half with baby rice? I know it's yuck on its own but mixed half and half it's quite a mild taste for them but also adding a bit of extra to digest with the rice. I used the hipp organic sample they had sent me in the post and that mixed with some fruit purée was popular here.

Haven't tried the rice, but will look out for some tomorrow, thanks!