SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

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Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

Great news, Cute!

Sadly no more imaginary 6 hour stretches In fact last night was horrendous, wide awake for long stretches, in party mode. Not helped by DP deciding it was a good idea to watch the end of the footie in bed. DS wakes and thinks, ooh pretty flashy lights, it's obviously day time!
Today he has also rolled over for the first ( and second ) time, and decided to sleep on his side, then was so shattered he's gone to bed at 6.15 when he normally goes at 7. I have a bad feeling about tonight....
Cute, I'm hoping we're following you in heading in the right direction. Fingers crossed for you!

That's great news about ladt night keep hope tonight goes well too!

oh mirrhi you must have been mad at your dh!! hope last night was better

dd slept till 0430 then back to sleep till 0520 when she thought it was morning. argh! I ignored her playing and she finally went back to sleep at 0630!

Keep, that's amazing!

Mirrhi they will come... here and there at first, but those longer stretches will start happening more and more. Don't lose hope!

A bit of a mixed night here. DS slept 9.40-2.25, so not quite 5h but good enough for me

2.25-3.00 rolling onto his front, wanting to play, rolling again, crying. Then short wake up at 4. He then woke up at 6.30 screaming, tried to settle him but had to pick him up in the end and rock to sleep. 40mins all in all. He woke up 20 mins later... Then my DM came in, rocked him again and he dropped off for 40 mins...

So only 3 wake ups as such, but the last one was bad...

When he woke up at 6.30 I think he was actually hungry... I didn't feed him but maybe I should have?? Putting him into my bed was so tempting... Would it be really bad if I kept him with me but didn't feed?

He's been napping now for 1h45m and is still asleep. His naps have really improved during the last couple of weeks, but still a bit of a mix. I'm amazed is understatement...

I wasn't best pleased keep you're right.

I was right to have a bad feeling about last night. Awake every hour apart from midnight. Tried and tried resettling without feeding but it was impossible without waking the whole house so ended up feeding every hour too .

I've decided something must be done. We can't carry on like this. I dread nap times, I'm so tired I'm grumpy and snappy, the DSSs don't deserve it nor does DP. But most of all DS seems so tired. He's rubbing his eyes as soon as he wakes, he's grumpy and shouty all the time, and I'm getting to the point where I'm losing my patience and getting cross with him, it's not fair on him. Not fair at all, I'm turning into a horrible mummy.

So I've decided to try Jo Frost's method in earnest. I've tried it half heartedly before but now he's a week off 6 months so I've decided I MUST do it, must commit to it now before this gets any worse.

Started this morning for his nap. It took 2 hours 15 mins for him to give in and go to sleep. It was horrible, he was crying so much, even when I went to calm him and was cuddling him he was giving great heaving breaths for ages. I keep telling myself it's for the best, but it's so so hard

He has now been asleep for 1hr 22 without me going to resettle him though, the longest nap I can remember him having straight through. That has to make it worth it, doesn't it?

god sake. in such a pickle with dc2. he is nearly 5 months old. his sleep is pretty shit really and with dc1 only being 2 its so hard to try get dc2 into any kind of routine.

at the moment he sleeps nearly every time we are out in car or buggy. sometimes only staying awake for 40mins in between. i struggle to get him to nap in cot as dc1 is always running about screaming and i can't leave her for half hour whilst i am trying to settle him in cot.
so he literally naps 6/7 times a day. sometimes only for 10mins.

night time dc1 sleeps 7-7 (bliss). dc2 will not sleep in his cot. he is flat out by 7pm but on my boob/lap. if i try move him to cot he wakes every 5 mins then starts screaming and takes ages to settle again.
other option is i have been taking him to bed with me at 7 but i have to stay in bed with him or he wakes up. so thats me in bed at 7pm.
he will then do a 3 ish hour stint in cot then wakes and won't settle in cot and i am so tired i just give up and bring him into bed where he sleeps okay till 3ish then kicks for the rest of the night.
its so shit. i wish i had the energy to come up with a plan and see it thru but i get so tired and annoyed i just give up.
he rarely feeds at night. just faffs and will not sleep in his cot. he often gets in such a tizz he ends up facing the other way!

i don't know whether just to accept and give up or try stick to a routine as such....its all such a mess! don't think dc1 was much better but had the time and energy to endlessly settle etc. now i just want to sit down on my own with dh for a bit and just have a bit of quiet time. i can't be arsed to faff about but maybe its worth it in the long run.

god what a moan!! why can't i have one of these babies who sleeps in a cot /has decent naps

cute when was his last feed before bed? I don't think if he was hungry he'd have slept again. I think it just gets harder for them to settle as the night goes on and they are less tired iyswim. naps are better here too, I assume as she has learnt to self settle. not consistent, but longer on the whole

mirrhi I don't know Jo Frost's technique but I think if you stick with anything it'll work. it's so hard though. I imagine naps are even harder as they're less sleepy. what is your plan for night feeding? is dh on board and prepare for crying for about 3 nights I guess. don't give in or it's been for nothing. keep a log so you can see progress. you can do it, and ds will be fine

How bad do I feel now? Discovered DSs first tooth this afternoon. No wonder he's been grumpy and sleeping so badly the past few days, poor mite.
keep Jo's technique involves putting him down for nap as normal, then leave him 2 mins, vthen go and resettle, leave for 4 mins, resettle, 8 mins etc. I'm a wimp though, so instead if doubling the time each time I just added 2 mins each time si did 2,4,6,8,10 etc. I hate it, but just can't see anything working that doesn't involve some crying and this feels more doable as I can see the time counting down and know I can go in to him.

In terms of the night feeds I think they will have to stay as they are for now due to the DSSs. I'm hoping vainly that the training with naps may impact on nightimes??? If not we'll think about how to address that next......

how did the rest of the days naps go mirrhi? it will be interesting to see if cc for naps helps with nights. if not perhaps send dss to grandparents or mother and do it then.

good luck for the night all

Well that nap was meant to be morning one buf took so long to achieve that it became lunchtime one really, then afternoon one has to be in pram when fetching DSSs from school, which makes it easy to achieve but doesn't allow for consistency in following sleep training:-/ Hopefully if we can get it a bit lot quicker we can practice it with 2 out of 3 naps daily at least.

Bedtime has gone well so far. He's had some teething granules and some calpol, then fed and put in cot. He went from drowsy to wide awake when I put hin down, rolling around and grinning at me, so I thought it was going to be a nightmare. I went to get tablet to occupy me whilst doing Jo's method, but having sat on the bed to type this post he's settled himself and gone to sleep I'm now going to creep downstairs and keep my fingers crossed!!

that's amazing mirrhi! how do you normally put him down? crossing my fingers for you tonight

Normally after he's fed I put him down and he's so sleepy he has a brief grumble but is asleep within moments. If he properly wakes, like tonight, then it is a bad sign usually so I had images of another hour or two of crying etc but the little star settled himself. He's not even woken yet, so easily beat last night's start!

Also, having inspected his gums more closely there are actually two teeth coming through!

mirrhi that sounds brilliant! how did the rest of the night go?

feekerry that sounds tough. Has his sleeping always been like this or has it got worse?

DS slept through last night, 7:15 until 5:50 with a 10:30 dream feed. He did the same on Saturday night but then Sunday and Monday were fairly horrific. Poor thing still can't shake the cough he's had for nearly four weeks now, he has antibiotics which will hopefully help as much of his waking is down to coughing.

We are getting ready to move him into his own room, the travel cot is set up in there and as of today all naps will be in there to get him used to the room. His cot is ready to be extended to the next size (he's in the Stokke Sleepi Mini size at the moment) but we will keep him in his Sleepyhead so hopefully the transition won't be too hard. Hopefully.

Margot I hope you're able to enjoy the good nights. poor little boy with his cough

mirrhi how are things?

where are the cakes Artemis etc?

last night I had 1900-0530! then she was maybe dozing until 0645 feed. I am trying to make the most of it before the next thing hits. rolled up blankets under the sheet have stopped her rolling BTW.

I think my own sleep is fucked though. I can't stop waking every two hours. am I stressed listening out for her? waiting to be woken? or just broken? maybe all three

keep that sounds so familiar in know I should be loving the nights he sleeps through but I'm not sure I sleep any better than the nights he wakes. I think we need some sleep training too!

Hi, todays naps have been a doddle, but not through any sleep training I'm afraid. This morning he was due his nap at 8.30, I fed him at 8 as usual and he promptly fell asleep on the boob. Then we were goinv swimming which inevitability meant he fell asleep in the car on the way back, but stayed asleep when we got home and I transferred him to his cot! And the afternoon nap was in the pram going to fetch the DSSs from school as normal. So although they've been easy I don't feel that we've progressed at all.

However tonight I've made a point of separating feeding from bed a little more and he's now crying in his cot so have set the timer for 2 mins and will see how we go

Still here, still crap, now standing up in cot etc etc
Slightly better once I go to bed (with her) but prior to that I'm basically up and down the stairs every half hour.
I think I've given up strategys and will just wait for her to grow out of it bad get it by herself

Well he cried for the two mins, I resettled him, he cried for another two mins and was starting to sound really distressed, and with him teething (tho he's had calpol and granules and they don't seem to be bothering him overly) but I couldn't bear to listen to him and leave him for the 4 mins so went back in at 2 and resettled again. I then put him down and he whimpered a bit and fell asleep!

a good start mirrhi. were there lots of wake ups last night?

miss he was okay as a newborn then all went bit tits up at 4m. its my fault. i am shit at the whole routine thing.
path of least resistance and all that.
i would put him in his own room but we only have a 2 bed so until we get extension done plan was he would room share with toddler. but he needs to sleep a hell better before that happens.
tbh got no issue with multiple wake ups to feed. its this wriggly kicking that does my nut in.
and bed sharing!!

we live in a bungalow so all on same floor. our bedroom is next to living room... what do people think about putting ds in living room at night in cot so he is out of our room? as an interim before sharing with toddler.
its literally a step away from our room but on other hand i don't fancy getting out of bed a zillion times to settle him!!

Mostly the usual wakes, every 2-3 hours. Bad spell about 4ish where he kept waking 5 mins after going back down, but overall a much better night than the last few, probably due to calpol!

No wake ups yet tonight.....

feekerry I would definitely go for it. It's no different to him being in his own bedroom next to yours, and even just the week I've been able to put DS in a separate bedroom (cos DSSs were away) seemed to make a big difference. No fewer wake ups but we both slept better in between.

And I found getting up much less annoying than I expected!

ye i think i might give it a go tomorrow night. its so hot at night and having a baby kicking away all night isn't doing either of us any good.he usually does a 2hr ish stretch in cot when we go to bed before all the faffing starts so if i move him to living room maybe this stretch will extend.