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SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

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cakebaby · 27/02/2014 20:05

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

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keepitgoing · 03/06/2014 20:37

brilliantmirrhi its such a relief isn't it?

K1spoony · 03/06/2014 22:18

Thanks for the info on weaning guys, that's what I thought. The only reason I considered it is because of how big a feed dd is taking through the night, made me think maybe she does need more to eat. However, I would rather wait to the 6 month mark anyway, so I'll hang off for now.

The question now is when dd wakes during the night should I just leave her in her cot, she doesn't ever seen upset, but seems so awake I don't know that she would ever self settle and I may just have to listen to an hour of chatting to then help her sleep anyway- argh! How do you ever know if you're doing the right thing?!?

keepitgoing · 04/06/2014 09:07

k1 and others I just wanted to say that my dd was taking multiple big feeds overnight. I did 5 days of feeding at first wake up after 1am, 2 days of reduced feeds and now 3 days of no feeds till 0630. it's amazing she now doesn't ask for food, just drinks milk much better in the day. she's almost 7m. she's still waking twice - last night at 3 and 5 but settled fairly quickly with patting. tonight I withdraw a but. I know it's not for everyone but I'm amazed at the milk thing and so pleased to see progress.

keepitgoing · 04/06/2014 09:09

k1 if she's not crying I'd leave her in the cot and see what happens. just go over when/if she cries

gutted2014 · 04/06/2014 10:04

Joining! Pouring strong Brew for everybody, decaff for those of us bfm I'm sure the placebo effect will work Grin

DS3 is 15 weeks tomorrow & I think may be experiencing a 4-month sleep regression? He has been pretty good for the last 8 weeks or so: nodding off around 8 downstairs in his pram, then we dreamfeed him around 11.30 when we go to bed & pop him in moses basket, he usually goes until around 6.

The last week or so he has been waking around 5 instead of 6, but has settled again in bed next to me Hmm Then on Monday night he went to sleep at 6pm instead of 8pm Shock & then woke at 3.30am after usual 11.30 dreamfeed. Was in bed with us from then as just screamed in basket. Last night, went to sleep at 8, but seemed restless in pram although asleep iykwim? Then up for usual dreamfeed but didn't take much, awake at 2.30, 4, 5.50 then in with us until 7 (up for school run for DS1).

We are planning to put him in his cot soon, our room is in the loft which makes it lighter & we have blackout curtains for the nursery. We are also transitioning from ebf to mixed feeding. He has been doing OK at night, usually taking about 6oz (Aptamil 1), but last night only took 4oz. Seems to prefer taking it from DH than from me Sad When he woke last night he did bf, but not very much, seemed to be more for comfort.

Am now glugging a quick decaf coffee and a heap of biscuits before heading off to the library with DS2 & 3 (who is now sleeping like the proverbial baby)

CuteLittleToes · 04/06/2014 15:43

Sorry if my post about weaning sounded a bit condescending - I didn't mean to be!

Keep this is very interesting, I have read quite a few posts saying night weaning + gradual retreat is the way to go...

Interesting night last night. DS woke up a few times until midnight, not settling and screaming his head off. Got better after a bit of dentinox on gums. Then he woke up briefly shortly after midnight I think, didn't really check the time. And then slept till 3am. In his crib Hmm Co-slept from there on till 7.

So this is second night his first feed is at 3am, so I guess I'll stick to no feeding until 3 and try to move it further...

CuteLittleToes · 04/06/2014 17:35

Another 1h45min nap! Dances a shaman rain dance

The timings are all over the place though. However, as I've been religiously writing down all his nap times, feeds, wake ups, etc. for over a week now, I guess I'll be able to figure out the average timings...

Cakeismymaster · 04/06/2014 18:17

Ok dd has had THREE naps today, one of which was 2 hours long! Can I just mention 9 month growth spurt? I think we are in it...

K1spoony · 04/06/2014 19:36

keepitgoing are you bottle or breastfeeding? Im breastfeeding, so dont know how much shes taking, so do you think just taking her off earlier and earlier and then maybe helping her fall back asleep with some pattingg and ssshing? I think i probably gice in too easy with the feeding sometimes as i know it gets ger back to sleep and sometimes im just so tired! Back from holiday in a day or two so will give it a real try! Even if im totally exhausted, itll be worth it in the end!

keepitgoing · 04/06/2014 20:33

k1 I breastfeed. yes you don't know how much she takes so just reduce the time. you can take her off while she's still feeding rather than letting her finish. tbh I fed at every wake up for months. for me it was either Do Something or get-as-much-sleep-as-poss. I felt half measures would get me less sleep but not change anything so I just did nothing till I was ready.

keepitgoing · 04/06/2014 20:35

I suggest if you have a partner to start on a Friday night so he can help with the first 3 nights. split the night in shifts - one on till first wake after 1am, then feed and handover. that way you both get some sleep. also good if baby can be settled by dp.

keepitgoing · 04/06/2014 20:37

cute my dd's naps have lengthened usually recently. they used to always be 30 mins. I think it's just their age! Grin but live a good long nap to shower eat nap read mn!! Grin makes such a difference to have a rest in the day, though they are nowhere near consistent or reliable

cake how's the cot move going?

HappyGoLuckyGirl · 04/06/2014 20:44

Hi all...apologies for the intrusion!

My little boy turns 1 in a few weeks and I'm ready to tear my hair out.

The past few weeks have been awful. I don't know what's happening Sad last night he had a bottle before bed at 7.00 then another one at 9.30pm and then one at 1.15am. He's almost one for Christ's sake! He hasn't had that many bottles since he was about 4 months old.

I really lost my temper last night Sad he was just crying and crying, I ended up shutting his bedroom door and shaking with actual anger in the kitchen.

He's just a little baby, he doesn't understand that I'm tired. I don't know how to get it back to one or no wake ups a night!

I separated from his father 3 months ago so I'm alone in dealing with him, plus I work full time, up at 6.30 every morning. So when he wakes at 5am it really has an impact.

I've taken to putting him in bed with me when he wakes early which I know he is going to get used to.

My ex MIL (very close to her) tells me to leave him crying and he will be sleeping through in 3 days but I really think he is too young. Plus I don't want to ignore his needs that way. He's crying for a reason, even if it is just because he wants to be close to mummy. He's only a baby. Sad

Feeling so shitty.

K1spoony · 04/06/2014 23:00

happygolucky i really feel for you. I am really struggling with the night wake ups and i dont have work to go to. I also do not want to do "cry it out" i dont doubt that it works, im sure it does. They learn you wont come to them when they cry, so stop crying for you. But i dont want this for my baby. I want her to know if she needs me im there. It may take longer and i may be tireder, but cry it out just doesnt feel right for me. Im reading the no cry sleep solution at the moment, it is quite interesting, ive still to put it into practice, but hopefully it will be helpful.

keepitgoing i will try reduced feeding through the night, starting this weekend. I know she is taking less through the day at the moment as im going to bed tonight with one pretty full boob!! Also her daytime nappies are a lot dryer, so i need to flip the balance back! I tried to offer her more today, but she is teething and bit me! Ouch! she hasnt done much of that before this week and it isnt during a feed, only if offered and thats not what she wants, hope the teething stops annoying her soon!

cakebaby · 05/06/2014 07:51

Welcome new joiners. Or commiserations perhaps?

Total nightmare here. Cot move not helped. At all. Trying to stop co sleeping, cue 3 hrs screaming last night. Only an hour was trying to get him to settle in his cot, the other 2 hrs were him making damned sure I knew he was furious about it.

I literally have no idea what to do next. DH works shifts so I can't have ds screaming til 3 am every night.

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keepitgoing · 05/06/2014 08:51

oh cake Sad I guess you have to stick at it as I know you're going back to work soon. can dh stay somewhere else for a couple of nights maybe? I assume ear plugs aren't good enough. poor you Sad

cakebaby · 05/06/2014 09:24

He has ear plugs but the nature of our home (very very old!) means hearing the noise is unavoidable. I suggested him staying elsewhere but he declined.

The advice I've be been given is try to settle for 45 mins then get him up, shortened routine and try again after 15 mins. Apparently most babies fall asleep after 3 goes. Not this one. He got so upset he was wide awake, sweating, coughing and bloody hard to settle even in bed with me. He woke up far more in the night too, up at 530 FFS. Consequences are that we are both shattered today, he's going to be a nightmare and I'm stressing about naps already.

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Booville3 · 05/06/2014 13:37

Oh cakeb & every one else still on here what a bloody nightmare my ds is definitely testing me - teething in full action here but still lost track of wake ups last night & need shares in calpol!! Oh ds2 got in bed with us at 3 as well thank god for our ikea superking bed!!

CuteLittleToes · 05/06/2014 17:06

First feed 4am last night. Also started 3 meals a day yesterday. And he's already dropping a day feed! All that combined tells me he doesn't need any night time feeds anymore... Need to stop cosleeping too somehow, but it's just so hard Sad last night I physically couldn't open my eyes when he woke up at 4am!

Going away to stay with my parents for 4 weeks on Sunday so hopefully my mum can help...

Yes keep the naps are very unreliable. It looks like he does the longer one after a short one, but I'm still not sure, maybe it's just an age thing... He went down 25 mins ago so we'll see how long he sleeps now.

ArtemisTheHunter · 05/06/2014 18:22

Hi everyone

Just checking in... we haven't miraculously solved our sleep issues, I'm just mired in a rather tedious and time-consuming phase at work at the moment which is limiting my mn time. And am usually in bed by 9.30pm in an attempt to get a head start on sleep, so by the time we've done bedtime, cooked, eaten, washed up etc there isn't much evening left. I sympathise with baby monitor dread. Ours is like a little hand grenade I live in fear of.

We seem to have arrived at the 9/10 month sleep regression . At bedtime last night we had crying, crawling, sitting up, attempting to pull herself up to standing, flinging around of teddies, and a 180 degree rotation in the cot. Bloody great Hmm. We seem to have stalled at 2 night wakes, it's manageable but the tiredness is beginning to tell particularly as she never gets up later than 6am. I'm still BFing when she wakes up so I'm doing all the night waking myself. One of us stays in the room with her as she goes to sleep, we started the gradual retreat thing about 6 weeks ago but so far haven't managed to retreat very far at all. It's been relatively stable though, until the last few days. I think we ran out of energy for further change. I still don't know whether her going to sleep completely on her own at night would make any difference to her waking during it.

Cakebaby argh. Just argh! Hope you have a better time tonight. I hadn't heard the 'three strikes' thing for putting them down at bedtime, just for naps. When we started the gradual retreat thing I was advised to put DD to bed and just stay there reassuring her until she went to sleep. I was also told babies rarely cry for longer than 45 minutes. Not so.... DD cried on and off for nearly an hour the first time. But it did get better and now even if when she cries at bedtime I know she will go to sleep eventually. But the move from cosleeping was a big shift for all of us.

Keep interesting to hear how the night weaning is going. I want to start that soon, but waiting until I'm over this work phase as we are going to get some disrupted nights. It's also just gearing myself up to it... Planning to drop feeds one at once starting with the first wake, which is any time between 10 and midnight, but will need to persuade DP to go in and resettle her instead of me. I've tried reducing the feed length but if I take her off before she's finished she gets upset so i think it might be easier if I just don't feed at all.

HappyGoLucky that sounds tough particularly with no day to day support. I've done the walk away and rage in the kitchen thing many times. I can't face doing CC/CIO either but without that the techniques are really quite limited. I think many of us here are just clinging to the hope that things will improve in time! Brew

ShineSmile · 05/06/2014 19:10

HappyGo, hi. Are you sure your LO isn't teething? If its out of the blue waking up, there is usually a cause like teething or ear infection

cakebaby · 05/06/2014 20:32

Just crashing back....Artemis I would do a happy dance butt naked in the street if he only cried for an hour. A few months ago when we tried to stop feeding to sleep, he cried for 3 hrs straight before I caved in. I was demented by it and traumatised the next day Hmm I just don't know how long he'd carry on for, but I bet it would be longer than me.

I used the 'listen' facility on my app for the last 2 nights. I wish I hadn't. Out of 11 hours he was in bed, he was actually only asleep for 8 hrs 10 mins one night (woke 7 times) and 7 hrs 45 (woke 8 times) the next. Its no wonder he's turned into a little whining whingebag, he's chronically sleep deprived. I had no idea he was waking do often still, I guess I'm just so used to it. I don't even know how many times he feeds either.

My fear is, that even if I get him to sleep on his own in the cot, every time he wakes he'll cry as he's not in bed with me and I'll spend LITERALLY all night settling him. And god knows how long for. Artemis have you found that?

I'm closer than ever to considering cc, I can't do this much longer, there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

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Booville3 · 05/06/2014 21:45

Cakeb & Artemis I feel your pain! Even worse here I actually did cc (not sure if you remember) a while back now had a fortnight of just one very quick wake up a night I was over the monk but the first couple of nights were awful - 45mins max of crying no sure which "expert" said that? They obviously hadn't met my ds as 2.5 hours later he settled initially - my sis in law had nearly 2 nights of screaming nearly all night with her ds although he was 15months & I'm not sure how she got through it to be quite honest, anyway sorry I've digressed second tooth coming through here & were probably worse than before has the cc been wiped out? Will he be back to one brief wake up once the tooth is through? Is a wake up every 90mins our new thing??

Chasing my tail is how I feel! I'm so sleep deprived it's getting ridiculous just had my birthday this week it was a washout to be honest I was just getting through the day waiting for bedtime! Feel really sad today as I've genuinely (not forgotten over time) enjoyed my other ds's not sure how I feel about this experience so far as the last 9 months have been the most difficult of my life how awful is that of me to say?!

cakebaby · 05/06/2014 22:06

Oh boo its so hard isn't it? God knows how you cope with more than one, I couldn't. You mums with more than one deserve a bloody medal. I'm beginning to feel that every waking moment is spent feeling slightly drunk or ill through tiredness, stressing about naps or dreading the nightly torture that is bedtime and not enjoying ds as I should be.

As for birthdays, my dh was lucky to see mine through alive. Nuff said.

BTW did the monk mind you were over him?! childish snigger, easily amused these days, fucking autocorrect

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Booville3 · 05/06/2014 22:20

Hahahahaha I read it back & saw that & wondered who would notice it!! Think my DP feels like a monk at the minute & would love me to be over him but none of that going on here I'm too bloody knackered!!! Bed is for sleeping (when allowed), covering head with pillow to try & pretend ds isn't waking up for the 5th, 6th time oh & me being weak & breast feeding afore mentioned multi waking son who has lead to DP practically being a monk!!!!