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SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

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cakebaby · 27/02/2014 20:05

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

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Booville3 · 23/05/2014 21:47

Haha that made me laugh I wish I was good at posting links as a friend sent me a lovely tx which was a verse basically from baby to mummy & it made me cry (not that you need much to trigger you off cakeb) but it was a lovely, summary description that just for a while made me feel better during my dark days & look more fondly on my beautiful ds when he had me at the end of my tether!

cakebaby · 24/05/2014 09:26

Well that was better, woke at 10 when I went to bed, fed, straight back off, fed at 2, 430, stirring from 530, awake at 6.

So he had loads more sleep last night, so why is he a raging tyrant this morning?! He is furious with everything. All his toys have been beaten up & he's sobbing whilst bf Sad hopefully he'll pick up after his nap. How did everyone else get on?

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Cakeismymaster · 24/05/2014 10:21

Better here too
Bed at 7.30 then various rages till 8.30 ish, then slept till 11.45, fed, back down till 4, fed, awake at 6.30 but fed and then managed another hour catnapping
It's the first time she's gone past 10.30 for weeks, hoping that will c

Cakeismymaster · 24/05/2014 10:21

Continue - idiot phone!

Booville3 · 24/05/2014 10:27

Ah that's good cakeb! Ds only woke at 2 for 15mins from going down at 7.15 up for the day at 5.15 though but compared to how it was even a week ago I'm so pleased just hope this week hasn't been a fluke!

Cakeismymaster · 24/05/2014 10:31

boo how old is your ds again? And does he have top teeth through? (Straw clutching Wink )

Booville3 · 24/05/2014 11:07

He is nearly 8.5 months born mid sept - fri the 13th to be precise should have known then I was in for a fight shouldn't i!!! No teeth here although I can very clearly see the outline of the middle bottom two this morning!!

CuteLittleToes · 24/05/2014 21:11

Great news Boo, hopefully you have turned the corner!

Glad you had better nights, both cakes.

DS out of the blue had over 1.5h (1h45m?) nap today. Last time he slept longer than 45 mins was 3 months ago... The only thing that was different was DP failing to put him for first morning nap, so his first nap was almost 4 hours later after his wake up Shock (if you ignore 10 min catnap on boob). I have tried later nap time in the past but it never worked... A fluke? A sign? Just tiredness?

Cakeismymaster · 24/05/2014 21:53

Hellish bedtime tonight with standard easy put down at 7ish followed by wake up half hour later with rage, crying, sobbing etc and not wanting to be in cot - took till 9.15 to finally settle her. Lots of helpful Angry comments from H (not in any way D) like you wanted a 3rd, it's your fault for not letting anyone near her, she needs daytime naps in her cot and - the best one - categorically need to stop bf'ing apparently
Hmm
Biscuit

Booville3 · 24/05/2014 22:04

They are dreadful comments from you h Cakeis she is his baby as well terrible he should be ashamed!

K1spoony · 25/05/2014 04:11

I just started a new post, then found this one so I've just popped my post in here as well - Help! My baby has been sleeping a solid 12 hours since she was 8-10 weeks, she's now 19 weeks and for the last 2 she's been up several times a night. My problem isn't the waking, I can get her back to sleep, sometimes she feeds, sometimes she doesn't. My problem is when I put her back down after about a minute it's like the startle reflex is back, she starts thrashing her head side to side and kicking her legs, wakes her self up then starts squealing (not upset just really noisey) she's always been so peaceful when she sleeps, I don't know what this is. Or how to stop it, the other night it took nearly 2 hours to settle her and tonight is looking to be similar! Has anyone experienced this kind of wriggling ?? I don't think it's wind

Mirrhi · 26/05/2014 10:00

Well our success of last week now seems a thing of the past Sad. Naps are a nightmare, he sobs every time I try to put him down. Night times we are now having spells of being wide awake for 2 hours each night, last night we were back to waking every 1 - 1.5 hours. Dammit. Just when you think you're maybe getting somewhere. Feeling very demoralised again Sad

CuteLittleToes · 26/05/2014 10:54

Punches Cakeis's OH in the face... How did the rest of the night go?

Welcome K1spoony, can't offer you any advice I'm afraid. I still can't decide if I'm lucky that I've never had the STTN bit... Hopefully your DD starts to sleep better soon Flowers

Sorry Mirrhi you are having hard time again, I hope it's temporary and he improves soon again.

Our amazing nap didn't make night sleep any better at all and was not repeated yesterday. However this morning DS ate pretty much all of my porridge, and only got tired and ready for nap about 3h after waking... which is very new! He's asleep now so watch this space...

CuteLittleToes · 26/05/2014 11:22

Aaand he only slept 35 mins Confused

Cakeismymaster · 26/05/2014 14:34

Hi all, still on a roughly 2 hour waking schedule here with the added fun of 1.5 hours to settle at bedtime now thrown in...naps just ad hoc
Left DH in doghouse for last couple days, he did apologise for his crap comments but I shall keep them on file Hmm

missmargot · 26/05/2014 19:29

K1 have you tried swaddling? It can really help them settle.

We've had a rotten week. I can't complain as DS and I are both ill, the poor thing has the most horrific cough and is waking himself up with it. We are back at the GP Wednesday if there's no improvement. I feel terrible and had never previously appreciated how much you need sleep when not well.

Anyway, the good news is that he's been napping brilliantly and sleeping in late in the mornings but I have no idea what's improved sleeping and what's him feeling ill.

K1spoony · 26/05/2014 21:35

I tried swaddling when she was a newborn, but she wasn't a fan. Normally she doesn't wriggle, it's just the past couple of weeks and only about a minute or two after I put her down. I just read the no cry sleep solution, so I'm going to give some of the techniques a try in that. I'm on holiday next week so think I'll wait till we're back, as think I'll need some perseverance. The thing is, I'm quite happy feeding to sleep, just not so happy if that's the reason she's waking so much ie she doesn't know how to get herself back to sleep :-/

BB01 · 27/05/2014 09:31

Arh I have much sympathy for all you poor ladies! I have an 11 month old who still thinks sleep is for the weak. Is this thread for younger babies? (Desperately clings to hope she's not the only one with a nearly 1 year old who only sleeps on her)

cakebaby · 27/05/2014 09:40

Welcome spoony my ds did this at the same age, it did pass after a few weeks and nothing I did helped, ds hated swaddling! I did hover over him for a while and hold my hands above his legs/arms to gently prevent huge jumps which may have helped for a while.

Hi bb this thread is for everyone! Wow, your dd sounds hardcore! What happens if you put her in your bed next to you or in cot? My ds is cosleeping but into his cot next week so I expect a deterioration Sad

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Cakeismymaster · 27/05/2014 13:35

Hi all including new joiners Smile
This weeks new thing - wanting to sleep at night ON me..not next to me, but actually on me...so I have to lay there on my back, and dd then decides where she wants to lay - last night was upper half leaning sort of across me- but here's the annoying thing - she then slept like that for 4.5 hrs!! Arrrrgh!

BB01 · 27/05/2014 20:17

Thanks :-)

Cakeismymaster, my DD prefers to sleep on me given half the chance.

Cakebaby, she will only feed to sleep or be walked to sleep. She doesn't even have a cot as after about four months she wouldn't sleep in moses basket. I feed her to sleep on a futon and, if I'm lucky, I can creep away (but only in the eve) or DH walks her til she sleeps (only thing that will work at mo!!). She hasn't self settled since vv early on, shushing and patting just infuriate her and if we attempt to lay her down she'll just scream! She is very very persistent and, in my opinion, high needs - she hardly ever sleeps in carseat or pushchair either - just screams to get out!! She is, however, an absolute delight if just allowed to crawl around and play.

Have read through a few pages of the thread but, generally, have people on here tried much in the way of sleep training?

Hope things improve for us all vv soon!

BB01 · 27/05/2014 20:18

Oh and she later on comes into our bed for a night of comfort sucking!

cakebaby · 27/05/2014 20:52

cake oh nice! Pesky little buggers aren't they? Ds tries to fall asleep draped over me sometimes Grin oh and a packet of these Biscuit for your dh being a twat. Mines said a few similar things lately...told you it would be hard....welcome to motherhood.....you wanted a baby....

bb hmm, not sure what to suggest really. The only reason I'm having to change things is a return to work soon meaning I'll miss bedtime so the feeding to sleep/cosleeping has to stop Sad

Ds hates pat/stroke etc, he gets the rage Grin I haven't tried proper sleep training, just trying to pick up on changes ds is leaning towards and encouraging them IYSWIM. Last week for the 1st time at resettles he didn't lunge at my chest so I didn't offer him milk to settle that time. An hour later I did the same, and the hour after etc. Its now been 5 days & no feeds at resettles Smile I'm bloody gobsmacked! Small steps for us, but at bedtime the last 3 nights he has come off the boob & played in his cot for a few mins before nodding off which HAS to be progress, right?

I think some here have tried cc with varying success. Some other threads mention sleep consultants but I think its about £200 for a 6 wk package via phone/email. I'm sure they would work on her sleep props first but I have no idea how to go about it

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ArtemisTheHunter · 27/05/2014 21:32

Hi all

Just checking in. Nothing much has changed here - sleep is pretty stable at the moment, we've been on 2 wakes a night for a while and barring illness, teething etc that has been pretty consistent for the past few weeks. I'm still feeding when she wakes, and until I stop doing that I doubt we are going to get down to one wake, but I'm not quite brave enough yet to put myself through the upset. DD is teething again and has been uncharacteristically grumpy so I'm inclined to wait until that calms down.

BB we did some gentle sleep training with the help of a sleep consultant. She was great, got us from co sleeping, feeding to sleep and up every hour with regular 2-hour-long night wakings to where we are now with DD in her own room, able to put her to bed awake and usually going 3-4 hours between wakes. We have finished up doing a version of gradual retreat and the fact she's not sleeping through the night and is still feeding at night is entirely down to us not being ready to push forward rather than any deficiency in the sleep consultant's advice. It has been really hard with lots of setbacks and it has not been a no-cry solution (we weren't promised no cry but we did want low cry which is perhaps why we haven't got as far as we might have done). But life is a lot less stressful now and we even managed a night out at the weekend, my mum came over and did bedtime and DD went to sleep for her more easily than she does for us! So I think sleep training can be a good move if you find an approach you're comfortable with and that suits your parenting style. Sleep consultants aren't for everyone (probably not necessary for everyone) but it was terrific for us as we were absolutely clueless, we had so many bad habits we didn't know where to start, and what she did really well was break our numerous issues down into manageable chunks so we addressed them one step at a time at a pace we were comfortable with. Having someone at the end of a phone/email after a bad night to offer reassurance and a plan B really helped me when things got tough.

Sorry, that was a bit of an essay! Hope some of that was useful.

Cakebaby it sounds like you are doing brilliantly. Settling himself and going to sleep without feeds are really going to help the move to his own bed. They are the key things the SC had us work on before the move so it definitely sounds like you're heading in the right direction :-)

Waves to all. Sorry not to name check more, I'm shattered, last night was a bad one with crying at bedtime and during the night but DD has had a dodgy tummy all day, no fewer than 7 noxious nappies, which might explain it. I've been working so DD has been at her grandma's all day, I'm a bit guilty that she had all the nappies to deal with but not too much!

BB01 · 27/05/2014 21:33

Wow, that sounds really good progress cake! Hope it continues for you.

Unfortunately I have read so much on sleep I can't imagine a consultant could tell me anything new. My issue is I either don't want to, or can't, act on what I read about sleep training!