SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

[cakebaby]

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

Yes

Oh FFS. I rue the day I ever bought this godamned tablet.

Yes weaning is going OK now. He went off the idea for a few weeks but now can't get enough and makes cute yum yum noises! In fact come to think of it his increase in solids has coincided with the latest round of shit sleep habits.

I feel totally crap tonight. Spent a lovely afternoon with friends with same age babies. They all went off for a nap with no bother, not even at their own home (except one), no bloody nap routine, no fuss, no feeding to sleep, no blackout blind. Just put down, shut their eyes and off they went. If I hadn't seen it myself I wouldn't have believed it. OTOH my Ds was tired, refused to nap, screamed and cried until I gave in and we left. He fell asleep in the car 10 seconds later. I feel such a shite parent. I've taught him these bad habits and now he's paying the price. Now I feel I HAVE to address it all.

There's another thread running about feeding to sleep, the LO is much younger and everyone is saying its OK and not to worry about it.I'm not going to, but I feel like posting on it to prevent the poor mum from being in this situation in a few months time. The irony is that when I was pregnant someone posted a warning thread on this very subject in the pregnancy topic and I thought she was just a sour puss. Of course I totally ignored it naiive idiot

oh cake I think they are all so different. I tell myself it's because mine is so alert and clever... don't worry they'll have hellish toddlers or something. I know what you mean though I hate the pressure of having to get her to nap.

I totally agree about the feed to sleep thing. I believe that for some, not all, it backfires at 4m. I wrote that on another thread and was told it's developmental, and that maybe she's hungry every 90 mins... I think some babies can be fed to sleep and sleep through. ours clearly can't.

as I said my dh has been settling on first wake up. four nights in. first wake up moved from 8.45 to 1am. time to settles from 2 hours to 5 mins!!! I can't quite believe it. I then fed her at 2.45 (she had only had 30mls from the bottle since 6.45!). we haven't tackled the second half of the night yet as I am always scared she'll think 4am is morning... so after that first feed it's still 1.5/2 hourly. but I can cope with that.

she's 5m

Just back to confirm the fluke
Last night was privileged to have a 8-11pm stretch but then was 1, 3 and 4.
I can't even be arsed with a sleep training plan of attack and DH is not any help, I feel like I should just ride it out with the help of chocolate.

Hey ladies, haven't posted for a while but no improvement here at all, except for 2 random nights with 4h stretches about a week ago. However for the last 2 nights it's been hourly wakings...

Naps are almost non-existent. Yesterday took me 2h to get him to nap. His first nap was at 4:15pm. Then he had another one if you can call 10 min snooze a nap.

Today again 10 min snooze at 1pm and 30 min nap in a pram...

I feel like I need a big cry... Everyone is saying it gets better but when oh when???

Hope the rest of you are doing a bit better...

cute how old is your ds?

He's 4.5 months.

I know it doesn't help right now cute but 4.5 months (probably up to 5 mths) was the worst stretch of it for me. Like you mentioned, the hourly wakings etc - it was the peak of the bad sleep. It will start to improve a bit, honestly. Just do whatever helps you get through

Hi all, sounds like everyone is still having a rough time of it. Whilst I dont want anyone to be so sleep deprived it is reassuring to know I'm not alone...

Last night was horrendous, DS went from waking hourly to every 10 mins until I gave in at 4am and stuck him in with me. I don't do well with cosleeping though, I'm terrified of him getting squashed or something so really don't sleep. He had his jabs yesterday so I'm hoping it was a side effect of them, but we'll see...

Thanks Cake, I really hope it's "it gets worse before it gets better" bit of it...

Ouch Mirrhi, that sounds horrible! I hope it was just reaction to jabs, and it will get better tomorrow!

Speaking about co-sleeping... Those of you who do it for half/most of the night - how/when do you switch sides when feeding? Do you actually put the baby to your other side or is there a way to feed from another boob without actually moving yourself or baby? I think I've heard of it but can't quite get how you do that?

I've wondered that too cute but don't cosleep enough for it to be an issue. I'll be interested to see people's replies though.

Last night was a bit better but still waking every 1-2 hours. At least it wasn't every 10 mins though! The nurse on Monday advised me to go and see the HV today to discuss supplementing his diet as he's a big baby and she reckons that's why he's feeding so often. I'm not opposed to combination feeding (he's EBF atm) but he won't take a bottle so not sure how we'd manage that

mirr just because he's big you will be making enough milk for him. perhaps he's just snacking and you could encourage bigger feeds somehow I've heard some HV say big babies should be weaned early but I think that's bollocks. let us know if they have any wisdom unlikely

going to try a bottle of formula at the midnight wake up tonight.

the first half of the night is getting better. but if/when she wakes after 4ish she'll be up for the day if I don't feed her back to sleep. just happy and awake in her cot anyone had this? if I feed back to sleep she'll do one hour chunks till 6/7 usually

Yes my DS does this. It has moved to about 5/6 am though after I moved his bedtime to 8:30-9 (didn't really move it myself, the clocks changing did it for me!)

Never done it before but this morning I calculated how many hours of sleep I actually got tonight. Turned out 6 . The longest stretch 2 hours...

Decided to lie down on bed and feed DS to sleep for a nap today. I'm probably not making myself any favours but I thought if I can at least get him to get into a habit of napping at similar times maybe I'll be able to remove the feeding but later on somehow...

Anyway, he fed on and off and dozed in between for 1.5h. When he woke up he was actually grumpier than after his short naps! Will see if I can get another short nap from him and if it impacts his night sleep at all...

So ... Having a bad night here, a bit like we had during the 4 month regression. I goggled and low and behold there's an 8 month regression. We're bang on 8 months : (

Fuckity fuck!!!

I was posting under juvenile before. I'm sorry to see so many posters from the original thread. I'll have to have a read through and see what's been going on ...

Birds are up here and I'm going to get DP to take her bang on 5.00. 55 minutes to go. Hope nobodies night has been too horrendous.

hi regression! so tell us did sleep improve after the 4m regression? did you 'do' anything?

Artmis, soup, tiredemma (not mama!), cakeismymaster and cakebaby I can't believe you're all still here! You poor tired women.

Arsehole partner took her at 6.00. At 6.30 came and woke me to 'help' with her nappy. He then announces he's off to work. He works in an office and does flexible working so definitely could have stayed at home for at least another hour. Fucker.

Keepitgoing - NO!! Get any ideas that it's something you're doing/not doing out of your head. The idea that I was somehow a rubbish mum and I was doing something wrong made it so much worse. I felt embarrassed to tell people the full extent of her nightly wakings. It gradually got better until one day I looked back and realised we'd come through it. It had nothing to do with anything I had done though.

Keep (were you posting under a different but similar name before?) - just to add, she's never slept through. My name is regression confession and I am the mother of an 8 month old who has never slept through, feeds to sleep and co sleeps all night every night.

DD has decided that night is the new day and is awake from about 1am shouting and hollering.

She isnt in pain, she isnt hungry, she is clean. She just wants to be up and about.

had to take my first day sick today in about 5 years.

nope I've not changed my name

thanks regression that's good to know. but it doesn't seem to pass for everyone

oh Emma I have no idea how people work on so little sleep

Another horrendous night here. Longest sleep stretch - 1.5h. It's only getting worse...

At 6am DS was wide awake. He was already in bed with me feeding/sleeping so I didn't know what else to do to get him to sleep... If this stops working to get me through the morning then I don't know what else to do... I just burst into tears... And then 20 minuted later DS decided he was hungry after all and after 10 mins of feeding he was snoring

Emma that sounds exhausting. Did she go back to sleep at all in the end?

Hi all, how did your nights go? Did the bottle of formula help keep, and how did the naps impact cute? Sounds like you had a really rough night regression!

Well the HV was actually quite helpful! She came up with lots of suggestions which we're going to work through, including changing his position slightly when feeding so that he's comfier and will hopefully feed for longer, putting him on infacol to try to help relieve his wind, trying to do a dreamfeed from a bottle to help him get used to it, feeding him in a lying back/down position as I have a fast letdown so he ends up gulping, winding him by lying him over my knee to get more wind up. We're hoping if he's in less discomfort he'll sleep longer as half the time I think it's the wind waking him, not hunger but then he wants to nurse for comfort.

If we can get him to accept the bottle then we'll try a formula feed at night to see if he'll go a bit longer before waking, just so I can get a bit more sleep. I feel somewhat guilty for doing that, but I'm getting so tired I'm grumpy and snappy and the 2 DSSs are getting the brunt of it which is unfair to them.

Last night was an improvement though, I'm hoping because I'd started the infacol in the afternoon. He woke an hour after going to bed (which was frustrating because he normally goes 2 hours then so I'd not got the bottle ready and didnt get the dreamfeed opportunity - and wasn't staying up another 2 hours in order to try it!), but he then slept 3 hours, then 2 hourly chunks, and when he woke to feed he let out some of the most amazing trumps which stunk to high heaven! But he didn't seem to strain to pass those, whereas previously he'd stop feeding, cry out, arch his back, tense his legs etc to get them out. This time he just carried on peacefully nursing whilst creating his own potent smog around us

Plus this morning he slept for 50 mins instead of me hoping for 20 and is now down for his lunchtime nap so we'll see how long this one lasts!

She also recommended we try a Doidy Cup if he wont accept the bottle -apparently they're suitable from 3 months, so that could be further option. Oh, and she's said to try him with a teaspoon of orange or prune juice to help get things moving a bit better too - he's not all that impressed with orange juice though so far!

Anyway, I feel a bit better with some options to try, and she's going to pop by in a fortnight to see how we're getting on. Fingers crossed!

Oops, took so long to type that post (started it at about 9am!) that there have been several in between. Cute and Emma that sounds exhausting for both of you [hugs]

She went back to sleep at 4am. Woke back up at 5.30 am. Wnt back to sleep until 7.30.

DP took her to nursery and I went back to bed until mid-day.

I feel horrendous.