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SLEEP REGRESSION part 2...Roll up, roll up folks! Swap tales of woe, ideas, enjoy solidarity and get support here

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cakebaby · 27/02/2014 20:05

Thought I'd start a new thread as I couldn't see another one yet (will get HQ to delete if already up and running).

Tis good to talk.....

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Weescottie · 10/04/2014 15:55

I'm sorry everyone has had such rough nights Sad fingers crossed they get better soon!
There has been no improvement with us at all. Like you Mirrhi I think it is wind that wakes up DS so I may steal some if the HV ideas! DS has also now decided that he will only nap if fed to sleep or in pram/car. The problem with feeding to sleep for naps is he is then on me and wakes if I try to move him so I'm stuck to the sofa. Anyone any tips?

Booville3 · 10/04/2014 16:39

Oh tired I didn't realise you were back at work my god I don't know how you're managing that well done! I've extended my Maty leave due to ds's awful sleeping - beans on toast all round as we are going to be so unbelievably skint but I don't think I would be safe to work!

Booville3 · 10/04/2014 19:04

Also just to add in case you're thinking I've not been on thread lately due to now having a wonderful sleeping baby & I'm not sharing my secret...................................... Nope, just can't find anymore ways to express how knackered I am, & how I despair at ds, although somedays I'm not too bad! I must admit I think my sleeping patterns are a mess as the odd night ds has slept better I've woken up every couple of hours (which is what I'm used to!)!!! The only thing I can relate to the few good nights (better nights) we've had have strangely been when ds has had a longish late nap!

ArtFine · 10/04/2014 19:10

Boo, I'm thinking of extending maternity leave too. I've got a hourly riser and I just don't think I can function. Buy

Mirrhi · 10/04/2014 19:24

Hope some of the suggestions work for you wee I thought it was worth posting the suggestions incase they can help anyone else too!

I have the same problem with naps, he'll feed and go to sleep then transferring him can be a nightmare. Sometimes I can put him down, sometimes not, not sure what to suggest to help. Perseverance I guess!

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cakebaby · 10/04/2014 20:08

Hi regression and tired I thought you must have sussed it out! Sorry that's not the case!

regression my confession is the same bar 7 months not 8. Getting more sleep now but feeding to sleep & co sleeping but ds waking earlier after going to bed howling as I'm not there and refusing to go back off.

I've also extended ML as I have to work late shifts sometimes & will not be there for bedtime. Now have til Sept to sort it out once and for all.

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Booville3 · 10/04/2014 21:07

Snap cake baby positive thinking we will get our lo's into shape haha!! Or maybe not, can you get used to 5 hours broken sleep a night?!

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cakebaby · 10/04/2014 21:55

I think I should just start putting him in cot awake & bite the bullet but I can't hack the crying. I tried not to feed to sleep a few nights ago & he cried hard for 90 mins before I caved in. I swing between thinkng it'll magically get better on its own as he gets older and then that I need to do something otherwise it'll never change. It's hard as I'm getting enough sleep at the moment and I know its all going to go tits up when he goes in his cot. Hourly wakings for 2 months nearly sent me demented, I can't go back there.

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Cakeismymaster · 11/04/2014 11:08

Ok new fun things last night... Hmm
-sitting up when feeding
-sitting up when supposed to be sleeping
-trying to sleep on front
-general rolling, sitting, playing, nosing around in the middle of the night
FFS

CuteLittleToes · 11/04/2014 17:46

Cake have you read NCSS? Maybe Pantley pull off could work for you? Haven't tried it myself so just throwing it out there!

Cakeis sounds like not such a good night for you... I've heard that sometimes babies once they can roll over sleep better on their fronts - anyone noticed that? My DS hasn't rolled over yet so I'm clueless.

I think I've finally worked out timings of DS's naps now, and he's now having his 3rd (!!!) nap of the day. The only problem is that if it's only 30-40 mins as usual it still leaves a long gap till bedtime so he'll be tired anyway. However, that's a whole nap more than usual, so I can't complain!

An eye-opening discovery that I made yesterday and confirmed today is that contrary to my belief that feeding him before nap will make him sleepy and easier to put down, it actually doesn't work in his case. I think it's because when he feeds when he's tired and doses off it takes some edge off and he doesn't want to nap at all after that. Interestingly, at bedtime it's the opposite...

I'm hoping if I maintain putting him down for his regular naps his body will get used to it and eventually he'll start taking decent long naps. And then in a month he'll start dropping one nap which will mess everything up again Which in turn will lead to better night sleep... I live in hope anyway! Grin

keepitgoing · 11/04/2014 18:40

cute that's good about naps. mine has had 5 today as all have only been 30 mins Shock but no matter what they are like nights are crap anyway so I see them more as making sure she's happy in the day. how old is yours?

keepitgoing · 11/04/2014 18:43

just seen he's 4.5m. mine is 5. goes 2hr after a decent nap, 1.5 after a 30minuter...

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cakebaby · 11/04/2014 20:11

cute yes we've been at the pantley pull off for bloody months now. Ds would have her in tears i reckon. His record is fighting it for over an hour.

Its OK to a point ie getting them to nod off without feeding at the last minute but I can't get from that to spacing the feed further from sleep. Ds is so conditioned to it when he lies down in bed he gets all excited and wriggly as he knows what usually comes next, even if he's just had can massive both boob feed downstairs. If I don't feed, it immediately escalates to hysteria then hiccups then sick. He's a dummy refuser too. I really truely think he'll have to go cold turkey.

I got advice here from Jo Tatum on a q&a thread, I've tried that too but it had no impact whatsoever.

Re naps, ds went from only staying awake 90 mins at a time then extending it to 3 hrs ish in a matter of about 5 days at 6.5 months, it was a very quick change and very surprising. He now has 40 mins am 3 hrs after waking, poss a quck 30 mins if we go out in the car after lunch and then about 1.5 hrs pm when out & about.

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CuteLittleToes · 12/04/2014 10:22

I know I'm probably clutching straws... But even if naps won't affect his night sleep he still needs them during the day so that he's not overtired and cranky.

I think he might be having a bit of growth spurt again, as is a bit clingy and nothing would settle at night but a boob... This happened a couple weeks ago as well. We'll see once I get him weighed in a couple weeks.

Tiredemma · 13/04/2014 20:43

The fucking dog has chewed the babies dummy.

Its sunday evening and no-where is open to get the same dummy.

I have two 'extra' dummies that are different shaped teets.

How the hell have I reached the stage in my life where I am anxious about the night ahead because I know that the baby will know that the teet is not the usual teet and will most probably be awake all night.

wtf????

CuteLittleToes · 14/04/2014 01:43

Poor you Emma... I hope it turns put to be ok even with a different dummy... Bad dog!

Tried a bottle of formula before bed in desperation. Didn't work of course...

I just want to cry... I don't know what else to do... I would be happy to do some kind of sleep training, but what?? He can self settle at bed time, just not any other time!

Never thought I would count myself lucky if my baby slept for 1.5h...

keepitgoing · 14/04/2014 06:55

cute I am exactly the same. I just don't know what to do. pupd has made her settle without food for dh more easily but not stopped the constant wakings.
I think the normal sleep regression is a couple of nights. I just have a baby with sleep issues who must be tired too

Emma hope the dummy was never even needed

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cakebaby · 14/04/2014 21:41

Soooo, here's a new one.....ds is starting to crawl and this is coinciding with him sleeping on his front. Problem is that when he stirs and finds himself on his front, he immediately gets on his hands and knees then cries as he can't crawl in his sleeping bag Hmm sigh just another phase I suppose?

Anyone with older babies experienced this too? He's been a complete PITA moaning minnie today. Want to be on front, don't want to be on front, want to crawl, can't do it, legs ache, arms ache, face hurts (from face planting), bored of toys, bored of mummy, but don't leave my sight otherwise I'll cry after 3 seconds and when you come back I'll cry some more to reinforce my annoyance all whilst looking round hopefully for daddy, teeth hurt (cutting 2 bottom front ones), tired, not tired, now I'm really tired, hungry, not hungry......

FFS, I'm shattered.

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Cakeismymaster · 14/04/2014 22:20

Someone said those words to me today, 'is she sleeping through yet?'

Stare.
Of.
Death !!!!'

CuteLittleToes · 15/04/2014 15:01

Tiredemma how did the dummyless night go?

Had a slightly better night, DS even slept for 2.5h when I first put him to bed. He then was stil waking frequently, but can't tell how often as I kept falling asleep whilst feeding Hmm. I took him into my bed at 6am and with one brief wake up at 7.45 we slept till after 10! Grin so I feel more human today!

On the downside he's on napping strike today (or should I call it "no napping"?) and hasn't napped at all today since getting up...

Cakeismymaster · 15/04/2014 15:18

cute I had a similar night to you. Couple of hours first off then literally half hourly wake ups for feeds, untill 7.30 when I was allowed a stretch until 10am. But only just having first nap now.

keepitgoing · 15/04/2014 18:50

cute and cake are your babies immune to buggy naps? I have walked miles in the last few days to get them in... so exhausted from nights + exhausted from days Grin

CuteLittleToes · 15/04/2014 21:33

Cakeis how old is your DD?

Keep, he's not immune to them, but will still only nap for half an hour only even if I walk for 2 hours. That's actually the only nap he got today, and even that preceded by lots of moaning and shouting Angry

Cakeismymaster · 15/04/2014 21:48

cute she is 7 m

Cakeismymaster · 15/04/2014 21:50

Sorry - cute she is 7 months
keep she will sleep in the buggy when tired which is good
The new thing for the last two nights is that she will not go in her cot! I swear that this is getting worse, if it's possible