Misery loves company: riding the mo fo out into Part II

[ElphabaTheGreen]

In our last exciting instalments:

Needles was at breaking point with a screaming 10 mo DD

Hear had experienced the magic of ONE unbroken night!

Dreaming was continuing to confound all with her ability to manage three children on four or five minutes a night, thanks to DT the Terrible.

Stitch was still having her sleep eaten by...erm...Stitch.

Poppy was pondering how the actual fark she was going to manage a newborn on top of BabyAmex's night time shenanigans.

And the desperate Elphaba had turned night duties entirely over to DH with mastitic results.

Join us with your stories of misery and woe in this, the most sleep-deprived corner of MN!

Yep, same boy. Only him. I'd be getting so much sleep without him. . Exactly the same- fed. Comforted, held, co slept. One sleeps, one doesn't. I still miss dd, or rather my time with her. Particularly infuriating is she's going to diddi dance and loving it, but flipping Dt the Terrible is so AWFUL there i never get to join in with her properly. Anyway. Whinge over yeah right . I massively struggled at the beginning. Both cried, constantly. Fed, constantly. I couldn't do anything with dd. In fact, I couldn't do anything. My dad paid for two days a week paid help, I was struggling so much. It's so, SO much better than that now. My Dh didn't understand me missing my dd at all either, he'd say the same as you, or worse, "but she went to the playground today, I took her!". Exactly. I didn't, or if I did, I was stuck feeding, carrying, rocking in buggy etc etc while you played with her. I think it'll pass faster for you, as i struggled because I never mastered tandem slinging, and was very uncomfortable leaving two babies in a buggy where I'd be distracted, a little way away due to our playground logistics etc. And she's always adored her brothers. Your dd will adore hers too, and she certainly seems happy. I'd say our bond is still really close. Not as much 1:1 but we do as much as possible!

Good job poppy ! A good strapping lad as my country nan would undoubtedly say if I had ever had such a thing :o

Sorry, you are feeling down. I hope you feel better soon, take it easy (OK, so that is obviously a stupid thing to say with 2 small children), and make sure you take care of yourself as well as the kids.

Glad you are finally getting a bit more shut eye dreaming. I was speaking to someone at work the other day who also has twins (now 5 years). She said that one has always been an amazing sleeper who she has to drag out of bed in the morning, the other has always been terrible and woke constantly. So, goes to show really, there's just no accounting for it.

Dd has had a cold and cough for the last week or so meaning that sleep has been pretty non-existant. Was better last night though so hoping it might be okish tonight.

I have also be experimenting on her with lactofree cheese. She has had some almost everyday for the last couple of weeks and despite the cold there have been no obvious signs of intolerance. Poo is no more squishy then usual, tummy not overly windy, and no rash on her cheeks, which is the usual tell tale sign. Not sure if this is working because she is actually lactose intolerant rather then cmpi, or her cmpi is reducing naturally, or there is something in the lactose removal that also reduces the proteins.

Its a mystery but I am rather thrilled. Dd loves the cheese and it at least gives her a good dose of calcium every day. They also do milk and yogurt so I might give them a go as well. Exciting stuff!

BFP.

That is all.

No way elph!

What?! You kept that plan quiet elph ! Congratulations, wonderful news. I'm not jealous, at all, of all those adding to their families

Dunno hear our dietician insists mine can't be lactose intolerant as opposed to cmpi as he says you can't bf a lactose intolerant baby as there's lactose in breast milk. Dt2 is having yoghurt, bits every other day and seems fine too. Maybe they're both just growing out of it? Fx. Dt1 however was up puking after dairy yesterday. Sigh.

Dreaming I too thought the lactose intolerance thing was just layman-speak for CMPI because of the high volume of lactose in BM. The NHS website also says lactose intolerance in babies/toddlers is extremely rare for this reason (whether they're BFed or not, they're biologically programmed to be BFed so lactose intolerance being a common thing would be self-defeating for the species). However, stool sample no. 2 taken during DS's watery bowel phase (still intermittently ongoing) showed reducing factors which apparently equals lactose intolerance which the GP said was not uncommon She also said 'it comes and goes' so there was no need to keep him dairy free unless it really seems to make a difference, which it never has (to poo or sleep), so I don't bother.

Yeah. Hopefully, everything crossed as it's very early days, DC2 incoming! DH and I had The Conversation about whether we wanted another, did the sums, decided we could afford it and POW! Upduffed. On the downside, DH is talking about sleep training again because he doesn't know how I'd cope with DS and a newborn because he says he won't take over the co-sleeping with DS. Sigh. I'm really not sure what he thinks is going to work this time...

Oh, don't worry about that yet elph, its 8 months off, anything could happen. I always said I'd never co sleep. Ha! If it gets you all more sleep, my money is on your Dh and your ds snuggling up just fine . I was totally, totally panicking as my dd was up every night pretty much from 3 months pg on, often up from midnight-5am, I was desperate about how hellish it'd be once the twins were born. Which it was, but she started sleeping through within two weeks of their birth!!! Miracles happen . I shall hope for a long and boring pregnancy for you, natch.

Very quick post must dash to feed giant newborn.

Congratulations you!

I'm smiling to myself thinking what a great life affirming bunch we are - if sleep deprived people can conceive the idea of repeating it, there's hope for everyone

Poppy congrats on the whopper of a son!May he sleep well and his older sister follow!Your hormones are still a bit fucked imbalanced so give yourself some time.Don't hesitate to ask for help if you're not coping,either hcp or family/friends.

Elph did I read it RIGHT???Are you upduffed???Guess telly was crap recently .When are you due roughly?Congrats on the pregnancy!

Oh Dreaming So sorry DT the Terrible is so terrible that you can't even have some fun with DD.

Hear that's good news about the diet.Sorry to hear about cold.

Went to the garden today when DS was napping and managed to remove about half of the leaves fallen from our neighbour's maple tree.Bastard tree clogs up our gutters,my greenhouse and half of our garden.Not a lot on neighbour's side though,grrrr.

Decorating still ongoing,floor has been laid on Saturday and is bootiful,painter guy coming on Monday so if I move my arse into gear,paint the ceiling,seal the plastered walls and strip the rest of the wallpaper we might have it done just before Christmas.

I've got a scan on Friday so fx that it's going to be fine.No good news on urine sample-have to deliver another one tomorrowbut I'm going to ask them to call me and explain what is going on.

DS started talking a bit more-he tries to repeat single words and is pretty good at it.Most of them are innocent like torch,moon or light.Today he was pointing at the clock so I said clock.He lost the second letter and looked very confused when I was laughing like a hyena.Can'twait to see MIL's face when she hears this gem

Hugs to all and all the best on the sleep/feed/health front :)

bald I remember when dd learnt to say sit but had an unfortunate slight lisp. She would wander up to a chair, plonk a teddy on it and say 'shit! Shit!' :o

I dropped something in the kitchen, and said "crap" the other week, and heard a delighted chorus of "crap! Crap!",back at me from both boys. Also, my dd was a late talker, total opposite to my boys who can say 2-3 word phrases now. Plus her enounciation was poor. Except when i whacked my head on the washing line and said "oh bloody HELL" and got it right back at me, perfectly pronounced....

I am a POTTY mouth so I'm half looking forward to DS coming out with a clanger (I will both laugh and feel like a bad parent) and half wary of the fact that it will most likely come out in front of his very proper grandparents. He's learned to jab a finger at one of our dogs who likes to jump up during mealtimes and say, 'No! Down!' Any day I'm expecting an echo of, 'Getthefuck DOWN!'

Bald - 7 August, according to the NHS calculator thingy.

Flipping heck, you lot dropped off my 'threads i'm on' and I thought I'd lost you!

Dire, sire sleep here due to illness. DT2, croup, picked up quickly at A7E, after hanging on for chest x-ray, yadada, into the wee small hours with dh of course . But he's not sleeping well, DT1 got his bug we think, but thankfully not croupy with it, but coughing and a snot monster and up hourly. Makes me realsie how much sleep has improved really. I'm a cranky zombie. I shouted at DD for messing about and not just coming to put her shoes on, and she got upset and told me 'please don't shout mummy, just try and be nice to me'. Felt awful. Shouting doesn't help, I know that. Argh!!!!!

How are the rest of you?

sire?! dire clearly

A&E. FFS. Too tired to post. I'll go and take over getting dt1 back to sleep from dh...

Yeah, it drops off mine whenever there's a lull in the conversation as well. I always have a desperate trawl through the sleep board to find it again while loudly telling myself not to leap in to any other threads and make arsey comments.

Sorry to hear about the plague-house, Dreaming. Is treatment for croup still inhaling steam or have they decided that's the anti-Christ now? I spent so much of my infancy inhaling steam to relieve croup, the wallpaper was peeling in mum's bedroom, since that's where she'd set me up with the steamer. Then they decided it was asthma

Status quo with sleep here. Ho hum. Sleeps in his cot until anywhere between 10 and 2, then into the front bedroom with me where he spends the rest of the night pulling my hair at regular intervals to soothe himself back to sleep. Suffice it to say, I don't find it terribly soothing. And he always has to have a particularly aggressive tugging session at around five so I'm juuuuust going back to sleep when the alarm goes off. Ugh.

Omg I go into hospital and it all starts happening!

Congrats Poppy what a big boy. It gets easier with two, but early days are tough. Dd2 lived in the sling.

elph well done you, I wasn't expecting you to be the next to get upduffed.

dreaming I was hoping dt the terrible might have showed some improvement, I hope he makes up for it by being a really chilled out teen.

bald how far along are you now? Hope you are feeling better in yourself now.

I am currently in labour ward, second time this week with bleeding. I am 34 weeks and delivery is booked for 7th jan if I make it that far. I am in ward for Christmas if baby doesn't come before.

Lovely stitch is now waking repeatedly until 3am or getting up for the day at 3am. Poor DH is shattered.

Oh Dreaming,what a shame to your DD.Sometimes you don't realise how much stress you're under until you start taking that on somebody else.Pants about croup and snots,are they any better? ((hug))

Stitch how nice to see you.Sorry to hear about your hospital stay,is the bleeding caused by placenta problems?Baby if born now or soon might stay in SCBU but will be ok.A friendof mine had her twin daughters in May born at 34 weeks,the girls are doing very well and are very little behindfullterm babies at the moment.Fingers crossed for late delivery.

Am 13 weeks now,EDD is 24th of June but going to move it forward 2 weeks in conversations-DS was nearly 2 weeks late and phone calls,mails and messages "have you had this baby yet' had me in tears.

Cold galore in here,everybody's snotty,coughing and splattering for overa month now.Fed up with it.On the good side ourpainter's here so will get all this fucking decorating finished today

In case we've got no time for this thread:wishing you peaceful Christmas filled with love and fantastic food&atmosphere.

MiniStitchno3 hang on in there!

Update c section is booked for tomorrow morning, mini stitch will be here in time for Christmas :)

Oh dear. Will be thinking about you and keeping fingers crossed for you Stitch and the mini version!Good luck, you both will be fine!

Hello everybody. Please can I join your thread? I'm not looking for answers or solutions to my sleep problems I'm just looking for somewhere to wail FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHHHHY?????? and this seems just the place.

I have two DSs, 3.3 yo and nearly-8mo. They are gorgeous. Which is lucky otherwise they'd both have been left out for the bin men by now. DS1 was a truly shocking sleeper until he was 2. Then he got a lot better. It's his WAKING that's the problem. Between 5-6 is normal. Not great, but I can cope with that as its just the norm. But add DS2 into the equation and its all a bit hideous. He's wide awake at 4.30 every day (after numerous wakings throughout the night) and it's practically impossible to keep the noise from
Waking DS1. Whether any of us goes back to sleep is then a bed-shuffling lottery, but more often than not the answer is no. Today I started the day at 4.45 feeling such overwhelming frustration that something as basic as sleep can have such a profound impact on the whims family. DS1 goes to preschool every afternoon and loves it and does really well there, but sometimes he looks so knackered that my heart breaks for him. Just one more hour in bed would do him so much good. It's, what, 9.20 now and I feel it should be at least lunchtime. Hey Jo. Whinge over for today!,

Hello BR and welcome to slepless misery. Whinge as much as you want, it's very catharthic ( sp)

Stitch fingers crossed for you and the wee one :)

Welcome br44 , I hope your stay here is short

Oh, and to add, he's waking vomiting every evening as he's coughing, therefore refluxing, therefore puking. Every. Fucking. Night. Sigh. He's just gone to sleep. On a bottle. WHY did I ever offer him a bottle? What sane person offers an 18 month old weaning from bf a bottle? Noone else to blame for this ridiculous bottle to sleep problem I've got... So I'll stop procrastinating here and go and clear up.

Hopefully congratulations are in order Stitch! I hope your DS has arrived safe and well.

Yours in puking solidarity here, Dreaming. Woken up at midnight last night by a heaving DS. By the time I got there it was like he'd rolled his head around in it. Regurgitated pasta and bits of onion were clinging to every strand of hair. I stripped down and washed a screaming DS while DH dealt with the cot. By some miracle, I got him back to sleep in his cot because I did not want him in with me while there was still risk of spew. (NB By 'miracle', I mean I leant over into his cot for ten minutes so he could run his fingers through my hair to get him to sleep, as is his wont when we co-sleep. The head spin when I righted myself finally was no joke.)

Then the diarrhoea started at 3am.

If either of us gets this over Christmas I will be Un. Happy.

Welcome to the hellhole, BR44.