Misery loves company: riding the mo fo out into Part II

[ElphabaTheGreen]

In our last exciting instalments:

Needles was at breaking point with a screaming 10 mo DD

Hear had experienced the magic of ONE unbroken night!

Dreaming was continuing to confound all with her ability to manage three children on four or five minutes a night, thanks to DT the Terrible.

Stitch was still having her sleep eaten by...erm...Stitch.

Poppy was pondering how the actual fark she was going to manage a newborn on top of BabyAmex's night time shenanigans.

And the desperate Elphaba had turned night duties entirely over to DH with mastitic results.

Join us with your stories of misery and woe in this, the most sleep-deprived corner of MN!

Phew, its OK. All clear with the pox. The spots had pretty much cleared up this morning rather then developing into something worse so I am concluding that it comes under the heading of 'non-specific general spottiness'. She's still off her food though so anticipating another night of constant nursing and grizzling.

How was last night dreaming?

Oh, I ment to say Elph. It's lucky my nursery doesn't have that policy as dd would be home every day pretty much. She is now famous at nursery for the squirtiness of her poo and they now only comment if it's unusually solid. In fact we are pretty lucky with them as they are very good on the whole. They were fine to have her there when it was a bit of a high temperature, loss of appetite and general grumpiness. It was only when she started getting spots they politely asked if we might want to pick her up a bit early. I have friends whose nurseries seem to insist dc are taken home at the merest mention of a sniffle.

Needless what are the bed times of your DD?Any chance to change the bedtime a bit to "accommodate" the nap?Surely 13 months is a bit young to drop a nap?Any chance to make her tired?I wouldn't expect too much off HV but no harm in mentioning.

Dreaming congrats on bf for 18 month,well done you :) good luck with stopping but is there any chance you could withdraw feeds gradually?This way it would be less painful for you and OMG 13 feeds a day Look,you gave your twins the best start you could have but the time has come to get them less dependant on your milk supply.How are your body stores?Any chance to get the bloods done and check whether you're not lacking anything?

Stuff your face with whatever you want,you bloody well deserve it for your hard work. ((hugs))

Did anybody mention ice creams?I'll be like a wild pig on the truffle hunt. 4-5 am is some strange hour that DS wakes up and demands to be taken to our bed.

Elph I've got something that might amuse you.I went to the GP today as DS has stinking cold and rattles like mad.The guy asked me a few questions,blah,blah,blah "how did you feed DS".I said he is still bf at night.The guy stopped writing and asked "have you still got milk?" Errr,yes? .Please correct me if I'm wrong but I've never heard of breastmilk stopping at certain child age?(DS is 15 mo)

Hear I like your approach to religion :D How's you and your DP?

DH asked yesterday if we could have DC2.

Wishing you lots of sleep :)

Ha. Hear I am. DT the Terrible is weaned from the boob. DT the Not So Angelic is not as nothing else gets him back to sleep in the night- but as he often sleeps through and is showing much more resilience with dairy products I don't care. My boobs are recovering. I'm pumping 1-2 times a day, feeding DT the N.S.A once in the night. As I am officially crap and have barely taken calcium supplements while being dairy free and feeding TWO babies for a year of dairy free hell now, I am likely to have depleted at least some of my stores of calcium, I just hope I haven't paved the way for osteoporosis. Now I've reminded myself I'd best go and take one now . So, sleep training. I thought we'd had a breakthrough. Night 5 DT the T slept 7:30- 5:15 . Just wow. Yet last night he woke at 1a, and I literally couldn't get him back to sleep unless he was lying physically on me. Again. And then finally, when he'd done to sleep, DT the N.S.A woke up and I couldn't get him back to sleep either. Oh, the joy of two babies at one time . Today i am a hormonal ggrumpy mare. DH has taken one for ther team and taken DT the T back to my mums caravan for the last night he's willing to do tonight (he's back at work monday, we'll miss him!)

bald, enlightened GP you found there . Oh go on, you know you want to (have DC2) I'm wanting just one more, but DH has put his foot down, so I need to live vicariously, and lots of little ones is fab sometimes Ans wild boar on a truffle hunt, describes me well atm

Incidentally, my boys are quite good at team work now. Today they worked together, passing books between each other really nicely, taking turns, to work on their mission of emptying the entire book case as fast as possible And for all the difficulties, they don't half have fun together, so much fun. More than any other practically-18-month olds I've seen at playgroups (with playing together rather than alongside I mean, all 18 month olds have lots of fun!). They will pass each other toy, drinks, snacks and share- sometimes anyway. I'm feeling sad about stopping bf today so I'm reminding myself of all the better parts of toddlerhood.

I feel we need another photo of our non-sleeping little horrors angels. Anyone in?

Dreaming off you go and take this calcium!

Just had a look at your profile-which one is NSA and which T?Both look cute.
Well done on the sleeping front-I suppose you collapsed in exhaustion and made the most of it.
Don't feel sad about bf-you've done so well and the time has come to move on.You'll all benefit from that-you don't have to restrict your diet anymore and twins will get more nutrients from solids.
I was just about to switch the laptop off as I have to go to bed-early rise tomorrow and trip to town and ahem we've got a job to do with DH

Happy sleeping!:)

As for photos-I'm in but will have to wait till I update al pics no time just now

he he bald, chop chop, we need more fodder for this thread anyway

Right, I've put some recent pics of my dc up. Had to put one of DD, couldn't leave her out, even though she's not mentioned much on here as she's lovely, usually pretty good, recently good at night and my PFB!

Am I being fick? What's Bald's DH going for? Donation of the intimate variety for the purpose of DC2??

I will view and do photo/s when I'm on my laptop. I always MN on my phone which doesn't particularly like MN profiles and pics.

DS is truly going through the most exhausting and demoralising phase at the moment. All he will do with me is hang off me. If I'm not carrying and walking with him, he's screaming. If I sit and hold, he screams. If I put him down, he goes horizontal and screams. With DH, he's a ray of self-occupying sunshine. I could have cried when I heard them downstairs this morning, DH pottering around doing jobs and DS entertaining himself and babbling happily. I appear...screaming and clinging. Combine that with being awake for at least an hour most nights (plus or minus wailing), usually for more than one episode, plus a stinking cold DS has given me from nursery, I'm feeling rather at the end of my rope.

I'm not really sure what they are doing with the dh in town either. I just sort of assumed it involved some sort of sauciness. Though that may say more about my current frame of mind then anything else, we are sadly lacking in that sort of thing round here at the moment.

dreaming I think stopping bf is going to be bit sad whatever the reason. Even if he self weaned, which is possible at 18 months, its still the end of an era and so going to be a bit sad. I know I will be a bit sad when dd stops whether I force it or let her choose. Though I shall also be rather relieved and pleased to not have to do it as well. Its an emotional minefield this baby raising business.

I have added a photo and also put a URL to a video (check me out!) that dp made of dd's jazz dancing :o

I had been contemplating a second DC but financially we just couldn't do it unless dp was going to give up work as childcare costs would be more then his earnings. He really isn't keen on this and realistically it would be a risky strategy long term and still leave us quite a bit worse off then we are at the moment. So currently no other DC seems likely. I hadn't been set on another anyway (in fact a large part of me really finds the idea of doing it all again horrific) but it still seems rather sad now I have pretty much ruled it out. I think I will just have to get lots of cats instead.

Right - another photo of DS from a couple of months ago is up.

I think we're a significant enough sample to say that poor sleep is directly proportional to adorable-ness

Dreaming Love the one of the DTs in the matching outfits looking like they're putting on a show!

And awesome dancing from DD, Hear. Once again those come-hither eyes make it hard to believe she can make nights such a misery!

Ahhh, elph and hear, absolutely gorgeous dc you have. I luff a good photo.

I think Dt the Terrible is un-sleep trainable. Fact. He's the blonde baldie one BTW.

And elph, I'm currently tearing my hair out with the same problem over the last 2 months. Never, ever free of at least one if not both. I am really reaching my limit of carrying two now too, certainly for any length of time. I feel sad they're so much better for my DH, mum and our nanny- in fact, for anyone bar me, as I feel I'm missing out on the fun parts. Anyway, its a phase,a phase, a phase.

Got Homeland series 2 addiction, looking forward to series 3 coming out, but its seriously hindering any early night plans... First world problems, I know....

Though at a playgroup the other week, my mum complained bitterly Dt the T wouldn't play unless he was holding her finger and even though I was holding t'other I had a little smirk. What a meanie I am...!

Oh, and incidentally, the smirk was because my mum loves telling me how they play nicely if she has them and I'm not there- like when I took dd out for an hour for our haircuts, and they were happy as Larry for her while dd and i were out, saw me return, and whinge-o-rama..

Ah yes, the old perfect child with everyone else trick. I swear my mum thinks I am telling fibs when I describe how dd has already perfected the art of flinging herself backward and screaming her head off if frustrated in her desires. Apparently she is always perfect with her. To make it worse she is even perfect with others if I am about, it is just when they leave she becomes a terror

I love the sleep in inverse proportion to cuteness theory. Next time so me when tells me there DC sleep through I shall just look smug and say 'well, dd is terribly cute you see, so you can't really expect her to sleep at all' :o

Hear Subtext: your child's a sleeping munter.

DS is doing his usual thing here of a week or so of fair-to-middling sleep for a week or so before regressing back to shit. We had exactly a week of lovely going down in the cot and falling asleep quietly and unaided within 5 minutes (we'll draw a gauzy veil over the various wakings thereafter). The last four nights have been stressful, half-hour long epic battles of lying him down repeatedly, with blood curdling screams if we leave the room.

Budge up on the un-sleep-trainable bench, Dreaming.

I'm not doing any night feeding or feeding to sleep which has cut down on the frequency of wakings, but now he's just awake for long periods, such that we're back at co-sleeping again just to stay warm and horizontal while DS pulls my hair. Sigh. He came back from the park with his grandma with a sudden-onset fat lip the other afternoon. He hadn't had a bump, so best guess was a bite from some critter. I gave him Piriton in case that's what it was. He still didn't sleep. Un. Believable.

Its my birthday today and dd's present was 7 hours sleep! It was the best present ever :o

Admittedly it was in our bed, spread eagle between me and dp, but she hasn't done anything close for months so I am taking what I can get.

Happy birthday Hear!

We call that 'Christ on the Cross'. Arms spread at perfect 90 degree angles to his body with a peaceful look on his face like he's never given anyone a lick of trouble (while DH and I are teetering precariously on opposite edges of the bed).

Happy birthday hear!

Oh come on Dt the terrible, do me a 7 hour sleep!

Belated Happy Burpday Hear

Busy,busy,busy...

Thanks for the birthday wishes all. I love you guys :o

Love the 'Christ on the cross'. Dd also does the 'swival n stretch' where she spins horizontal so that she can head butt one of us and kick the other.

It's called "Jesus Christ style" in this house.He sleeps but nobody else does so we're knackered as usual.

Just had a blazing row with DH.Fantastic

Oh dear bald, was it sleep related? Are you friends again now?

I got so angry with my work today I have been updating my CV all afternoon rather then doing any work.

Oh dear bald, was it sleep related? Are you friends again now?

I got so angry with my work today I have been updating my CV all afternoon rather then doing any work.

Oh dear bald, was it sleep related? Are you friends again now?

I got so angry with my work today I have been updating my CV all afternoon rather then doing any work.

Oh dear bald, was it sleep related? Are you friends again now?

I got so angry with my work today I have been updating my CV all afternoon rather then doing any work.