MNHQ, a word in your shell-like please - about these pro-BNP threads... consider this a petition

[TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle]

hasn't this gone far enough? these threads are being allowed to stand which considering the "policies" of the BNP and the views expressed by "activists" is appalling. yes, free speech is wonderful, but some of these threads can be seen as inciting racial hatred, there are many, many, disablist, homophobic, racist remarks made and implied and they always go the same way. the threads are started to cause a bunfight. the BNP will not get anymore supporters on here, so why be deliberately controversial?

mn is a self-moderated site. this is great and one of the reasons i use it. however, the mners are now moderating and saying that we have had enough. we have complained a LOT about this type of thing - please take note!

[treedelivery]

Aitch, on your last line 'canny enough to rarely openly abuse mners, hers is a more snidey, picky, then a 'wot guv, no not me, guv' style' That is why it's not worth the worry imo.

Imagine - as an individual- not having anything for such a troll to pick at. > Imagine being aproved of by such a troll. As my nan says of anyone 'unwholesome', it would be a misfortune to be liked by them.

Awful! Let them get on with it. Anyone with intelligence can come away from such a thread feeling a)better about themselves and clearer in their views b)better about the 'opposition' who clearly have little chance of moving politcally forward/spreading hate due to lack of reasoning skills.

[Aitch]

yes, let's say we don't challenge her shite, is mn really happy with that on such a highly-indexed site?

[treedelivery]

I think because mn is so mega huge, there will always be someone who feels able to muster the energy to challenge such things as BNP threads.

And because - in general - the arguments presented pro-BNP are so utterly lame, the BNP will nearly always emerge looking like fuckwits.

Which is nice.

[Aitch]

sorry i'm not being awkward treedelivery but i don't get you. could you explain further?

[Aitch]

cancel that

[treedelivery]

[nickytwotimes]

I agree with the OP.

I always ignore the threads in question because there is no 'reasoned debate' going on.

I'd like to see them removed on an individual basis.

[scurryfunge]

I don't think the BNP troll threads are always a threat, they just show themselves up to be the idiots they are. They do not argue intelligently and they are usually fair game on any thread

[Aitch]

but why should dp have the power to hijack threads and indeed on many occasions the entire board? she knows that her views are loathed on here, genuinely and overwhelmingly so. she is either not bright enough or sneaky enough (i think it's a combination of the two) to actually have a political debate... in fact it's not a debate she's after, it's attention. because she is a troll.

we can't starve her of the attention becuase like you say there will ALWAYS be someone here with the energy to try to combat her posts... so she will ALWAYS get what she wants. it's pathetic, really, but she's not a whit different to cryingveryloudly and all the other emotional dragfests who come on here upsetting people.

[LoveBeingAHungParliament]

If there is something offensive then it should be deleted so it is up to us as members to report them. With regards to mn being indexed and linked to these threads, not everything on mn is fact or even true I know i've seen advice/comments before that shouldn't be repeated.

[Aitch]

no hang on, dp has stuff deleted all the time, by her own reckoning she gets about two posts deleted a week and she's not good with figures so it's likely a lot more.

what is she actually getting out of mn at this point? can anyone tell me?

[scurryfunge]

I suppose that is the nature of the beast....every forum has a regular fuckwit nuisance who likes to stir up trouble. We can show them up for what they are or ignore them

[treedelivery]

Aitch - I agree it is annoying.

I look at it in the broader sense, such posts do so much to steer away from hate and prejudice that it is almost a public service!

But it gets to be a drag if you are a regular, I agree.

[wannaBe]

I think we need to be careful though not to turn this thread into a personal attack by stealth. Because the op was quite specific that this was about threads rather than a particular poster (and there has been more than one bnp thread started recently by more than one poster).

[Aitch]

do they steer people away from hate and prejudice, though? in what way?

[2shoes]

TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle well said.
I think Mn Hq should make a stand agianst this,

[Aitch]

oh fgs i don't think we need to be careful at all, wannabe. the OP is about one thing, we are talking about another. i have no wish to ban political debate, i have a desire however to ban trolls.

[noddyholder]

How about looking at it like this?DP is perfectly entitled to her political views and has come here to try and discuss them and possibly convert others but by its very nature MN is inclusive and fairly 'live and let live' and her opinions are only ever taken with offence so surely she should find a forum where she can talk about far right policy til the cows come homewith like minded individuals That way everyones happy and she might actually learn something as her lack of knowledge is forcing her to make offensive remarks time after time

[treedelivery]

I agree wannaBe.

Aitch - imo the absolute lack of reasoned debate and the lack of thought shown in such threads, can really help to re-ground those who are generally wthout prejudice but may be struggling against the tide of media and discontent. It can creep up on us, but reading one of those thread does more to re-affirm my beliefs than remembering my [brief] Socialist Worker days.

But that is my experience, others may find them a call to BNP arms. Can't imagine it though, they are so lame!

[scurryfunge]

I just think that the minute we start debating the trollishness of dp then we are yet again feeding her attention seeking desire. Ban the trolls and it will become a competition to see who can infiltrate and MN will have more of an issue.

[wannaBe]

aitch, but the risk you run is that mnhq will see this as a personal attack and delete it and then the debate will be lost.

The fact is that there are a lot of people that post distasteful comments on here, it happens that some post more of it than others, but if you look at say, a thread about disability, there is often an awful lot more disablist comments on those than people on here would care to admit. And mn hq don't delete those, because they too come under freedom of speech.

[TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle]

you see, therein lies the rub. in line with mnhq's policy on personal attacks (didnt want this thread being deleted for singling out particular posters) i made the thread about banning these particular threads. however, it is just a small step from that to banning the people who start them. and who persist in starting them even when it is clear that they are upsetting and offending innocent posters. maybe I should have just out and out entitled it "can we make a stand against posters who use their warped and vile bigoted political beliefs as an excuse for trolling" but there was at least one thread along a simillar vein which was deleted recently.

[2shoes]

wannabe, yes imo it is odd how freedom of speech is used to defend vile comments.

but a lot of the BNP threads/hijacks are all ready covered by the MN troll/troublemaker policy, so I would love to know whay they are allowed to stand.

[Aitch]

well that's always the problem with trolls on public boards, scurry, i#m not sure what's to be done to solve that. she can see what we're writing, and is no doubt getting her rocks off at all the attention.

however i'm not sure however that getting rid of her would suddenly signal an alarm at TrollHQ and there would be more competing for her place...

for those of you who haven't known dp long... she doesn't want her kids educated alongside disabled children because 'they can't sit still for 2 minutes', she thinks all lesbians are ugly and homosexuals creep her out and she will not be having any gay children, nosirree, no way.
she thinks catholics get picked on, btw. ach, she thinks the bnp get picked on.... she also disagrees with mixed race marriages (and presumably their progeny, which is weird as her dh is a quarter cuban but looks like ryan giggs so that's okay, as she could never fancy a black man). until recently she thought that the bnp had scored 10% of the recent election vote (haw haw) and thinks that in fact the BNP did better than the Liberals (the ones forming the govt, yes those liberals).

what else can we remember about dp? wasn't there a thread about not having her children be taught that it was okay to be gay? she's really not up for that. oh, and she doesn't tend to answer straight questions such as 'how can you support a part whose senior members think that disabled children should be killed rather than be a drain on the state?'

[TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle]

i think you've covered it.