MNHQ, a word in your shell-like please - about these pro-BNP threads... consider this a petition

[TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle]

hasn't this gone far enough? these threads are being allowed to stand which considering the "policies" of the BNP and the views expressed by "activists" is appalling. yes, free speech is wonderful, but some of these threads can be seen as inciting racial hatred, there are many, many, disablist, homophobic, racist remarks made and implied and they always go the same way. the threads are started to cause a bunfight. the BNP will not get anymore supporters on here, so why be deliberately controversial?

mn is a self-moderated site. this is great and one of the reasons i use it. however, the mners are now moderating and saying that we have had enough. we have complained a LOT about this type of thing - please take note!

I don't want dp banned btw, I just want her to honour her own undertaking and stop deliberately upsetting people

and she herself suggested staying on music threads for 3 months

I think people should bloody well do what they say they are going to do

GS;

This thread has become about me...if I see something posted on here that I feel needs replying to I will, fgs it's human nature to want to stick up for yourself...wouldn't you..?

This thread would have died days ago if other people had stopped posting on it.

I have not posted on any other threads apart from the one I started, and this one...I have asked people to just drop it now and move on....

Last night...a few people posted on the BNP thread just to get it to 1000 posts and off active convos....why don't they do that with this one....?

I just wanted to add that I've never intentionally outed someone, either...it was VT who mentioned the previous identity and DP said it was common knowledge, anyway...

I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't already stated somewhere else on this thread, or one of the concurrent ones. It felt bad enough as it is.

Can't believe DP was TM considering she was considered a troll too.I agree stick to your word or it is worth nothing.I didn't realise you had conditions attached to the decision to post on only music.Wouldn't it be great if RL was like that make a promise but add your own 'extras' so that you can justify yourself when you break it.

...and once again, the behaviour, not the person. That is the problem...DP would be very nice if only the trolling didn't happen!

I think as long as she isn't actually banned, and we are posting about her, she should be able to stand and defend herself.

I think the music threads thing is a bit of a red herring atm, until there is more of a firm standpoint on the whole thing. That is, it all needs clarifying and agreeing on and the specifics sorting out.

In the interim, if we're allowed to discuss her, she should be allowed to be involved in that. As long as there are no dodgy threads being started, no gatecrashing going on with stirring in mind, that sort of thing.

jmho.

NH;

It was my decision to stick to the music threads for 3 months, I didn't make a pact with the devil.. this thread, and the BNP one had already been started and people were/are posting on them about me...I can still see the posts....am I supposed to just sit back and watch people lay into me and say nothing...?

CDN....stop worrying about it....honestly, it's not a problem.

DP

I think you should consider why you post like this.
Have a think about it. It isn't normal behaviour to seek out controversy in such a way.
You don't seem to be able to see that when you post, you are talking about peoples personal lives, their friends and family, people they love and respect.

It's just a game.

Really you need to consider why you do this.

Don't think anyone is laying into you and as you often say its only the internet not to be taken seriously,Small orange is right you must be lacking somehwere to persist with this esp since you did the same thing under a
different name.

so we should now "herd" the posters we dont like into posting only on certain sections of the board? fluffy little music threads?

sounds like discrimination to me of much the same order as you accuse DP of.

why should she not be able to say what she likes? it is clear that the majority of posters who use mumsent (myself included here i need to say) dont agree with some of DPs opinions - but i dont agree with many other posters opinions - does that mean i should go on a self imposed ban or post only on certain sections?

for gods sake look at what you are all saying! im really sorry but i feel i need to say this - the majority of posters are showing themselves to be just as discriminating as DP is! at least she is damn well honest about it!

do we need the censorship of the moral majority on here to make up our minds for us? i would rather DP be able to speak as she likes and i am quite capable of making up my own mind that she is speaking bollocks (sorry DP - you do!) but i really really resent being told that im just not allowed to read it, or she isnt allowed to say it. are people really so worried about what she thinks or says that it will change most peoples minds? i hate the BNP and all it stands for. she wont change my mind on it - most people know right from wrong - but some people do have these views - its a fact. hounding them off a forum wont alter anything. intelligent debate might do - who knows?

how many people take offence at the swearing on the boards? do they get threads dedicated to hounding the swearers off? no - they get told to 'be a dear and fuck off.'

i really really hate this type of thread. the op was opening a debate on the BNP - not a witch hunt of one poster. thats all these threads ever turn into - a daftpunk bashing.

you know - i reckon you'd all get bored without a witch to hunt if she did go, these threads get more airtime than any others it seems.

HQ does need to step up now. Censorship is not the way to go.

i think this is pretty shameful.

I think DP herself said that considering all teh upset she had caused she would only post on music threads for a while to let things calm down.

Vicar, well said! I have just spent an hour reading all this - it's nasty

I have members of my family that have the exact same views as DP - I argue with them constantly but they have their views and nothing sways them, there are lots of people out there like this

I find a few posters on here unerving - can I start a thread having a go at them? I've got a feeling a few would join me and we can see if we can hound them off the board too

I would rather be able to see that someone holds abhorrant views, DP is very transparent. I don't want those views hidden behind namechanging cowards or hidden as the person doesn't verbalise them - let's see the words, then decide whether to try to educate or walk away and ignore

NH;

I said I would take a step back to give everyone a break...me included.

My threads were easy to hide, and didn't need to cause any upset.

I'm torn about this.

But I don't think people have an issue with her views, as such, it is the pattern of posting.

I don't think DP should be banned. But she does bait people, and manipulate them. It's hard to watch. And the BNP stuff pissed me off because I suspect she isn't really a supporter, but is just trying to get middle class mummies to get their knickers in a twist.
Yet this stuff is poisonous and must be challenged. So I can't ignore it.

I think she should do as she said she was going to do

it was the only suggested alternative to the hordes of people baying for her to be banned (which I don't think is necessary)

and it was dp's idea!

I just hate people making promises they have no intention of keeping

I HAVE had threads started to have a go at me

in fact one poster only registered so she could tell me to fuck off

I don't like the witch hunting and baying for bans either, but when somebody repeatedly posts hateful remarks which they KNOW are hurting other posters, something has to be worked out

the self-imposed keeping to music threads was dp's suggestion and her undertaking

is it OK for people to say one thing and do another? I think not.

We all know your views though and you do not need to keep re posting them over and over.I am hiding this thread now as you are offensive tbh and now that I know who you were before I am shocked you are still here Thick skin doesn't even cover it!bye

it's not the BNP views that people are objecting to IMO - its the deliberate nastiness, like saying to Leningrad "most lesbians look like truckers"

and how would you like to be told that you shouldn't be allowed to have children?

this isn't a gestapo-style routing of a minority viewpoint. I am not given to that sort of bigotry and I resent being accused of it

Vicar - it is not about DP posting her political views. Anyone is entitled to do that on MN, and we should encourage that.

What posters are objecting to are the unpleasant and deeply personal attacks that DP makes on other MNetters - homophobic remarks to LeninGrand, knowing that she's a lesbian to give you just one example

She isn't posting about the BNP in this case, she is actually trolling - being deliberately inflammatory and offensive.

That's what the objections are about.

BIWI;

I could fill a book with the personal attacks on me....do you think that's a good thing..?

people make attacks on you because you have hurt and upset them though dp

you make attacks on other MNers because you enjoy it

that's the difference

so now we are complaining about peoples "posting styles" and not what they say are we?

oh thats ok then. NOT!

im sorry GS but im just calling it as i see it. why should she stick to the music threads? cos she said so? big deal. i flounced once - i said i wasnt going to post anymore - im back. i didnt stick to it - so what?

free country and all that. she can say what she likes. doesnt mean you have to like it, or rise to it.
i dont think DP is a troll - i think to try and ban someone on the grounds that they post in a 'style' we dont like or says things we dont like is crap.
there is a hide button. why not use it?
the answer is i suspect that people actually like a good ruck with DP. if not - then why do it?

if this site starts getting censored in the way being suggested it will be the poorer for it. no one agrees with DP - doesnt that just say it all?
leave the woman alone ffs.

Surely there are social rules, politeness and consideration of others' feelings.

That is what happens in normal civilised society and I do not think it is unreasonable to consider it should happen here.

I don't know how it feels to be black and be faced with views such as DP's on what is supposed to be a forum for parents to offer each other support and chat. But I can imagine it's fairly or even and for some experience.

It's not about being 'PC' or whatever. It is about common decency and humanity.

The fact is the things dp purports to dislike are a fundamental part of our modern society and should not need to be questioned in this manner.

anyway should be writing essay